2017 TV/Movie/Book Thread with Spoilers

[A Diddy2231]

Not sure if the books already told the story, but if not what role do you guys see the zombie Mountain playing? Or is he just there to eventually battle the Hound?

[Turk Nowitzki]

Not sure if the books already told the story, but if not what role do you guys see the zombie Mountain playing? Or is he just there to eventually battle the Hound?

The books have not resolved that at all, it was not even entirely clear that the Hound was still alive in the books. But yeah, I think the popular theory is that they will face off at some point.

[RRyder823]

What are some of your favorite Game Of Thrones theories?

Spoiler:

Bran being the Night King seems more and more plausible every week.

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I prefer Bran is Bran the Builder.

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[th87]

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Couldn't disagree more. The plot holes and character inconsistencies to contrive plot are killing me. The showrunners have fully embraced the "you know what would be totally sweet?" approach to writing.

I guess I'm different in that I watch stuff only for good writing. Action scenes are cool, but can't overshadow bad writing.

I thought that episode was amazing but I do admit that the writing and dialogue isn't particularly close compared to the earlier seasons. Whatever, I found most of season 5-6 kinda bland, I'm happy to watch the show for the action now and just to see how it ends up

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I think the dialogue and plot holes are problematic, but I think the time crunch they've been put on to wrap up a show of this scale and magnitude has forced them to take some short cuts. I think its realistic that this series could have gone on for another 3 or 4 seasons if they really wanted to methodically develop all of the storylines. But they were given essentially one full season of episodes to wrap up everything.

I think they've done a good job generally. My biggest complaints thus far have been the shoddy entry of Euron into the story, some of the implausibilities with time and travel, and what I confess is an annoyance with Emilia Clarke's acting these last couple seasons. I am also worried, quite significantly, that the White Walkers will not be given enough time to have a meaningful impact on the conclusion of this story.

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Didn't they know how long they'd had from the get-go? There are still better ways to advance plot than having characters act completely out of their established character out of nowhere (Stannis, Tyrion's bumbling).

I think there's still time to develop more WW stuff, but that would require good writing.

The dialogue is also generally poor, and it makes no sense at all that Euron's ships would slip by unnoticed four times, where if Daenerys happens to be looking out the window, the war is over. Also their excuse to wait makes no sense - if she's worried about the perception of burning down cities, then just surprise burn the Iron Fleet when they sail past. Wouldn't this be a non-moron's first priority? Why would anything else even matter?

[th87]

What are some of your favorite Game Of Thrones theories?

Spoiler:

Bran being the Night King seems more and more plausible every week.

Spoiler:

I prefer Bran is Bran the Builder.

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Or all Brans and the Night's King.

[ReasonablySober]

Finally saw Guardians 2. Favorite movie this year, so far.

[WRau1]

What are some of your favorite Game Of Thrones theories?

Spoiler:

Bran being the Night King seems more and more plausible every week.

Spoiler:

I prefer Bran is Bran the Builder.

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Or all Brans and the Night's King.

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Yup, the big working theory is that Bran is all versions of previous Brans at the same time, including the Night King. He's stuck in a fixed time loop, trying to go back in time to fix things but all he's doing is making it worse.

[M-C-G]

Spoiler:

I prefer Bran is Bran the Builder.

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Or all Brans and the Night's King.

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Yup, the big working theory is that Bran is all versions of previous Brans at the same time, including the Night King. He's stuck in a fixed time loop, trying to go back in time to fix things but all he's doing is making it worse.

Whoa, that is cool

[emunney]

Terrible if true

[Ron Swanson]

What are some of your favorite Game Of Thrones theories?

Spoiler:

Bran being the Night King seems more and more plausible every week.

Spoiler:

Varys being a double-agent and still playing both sides would actually solve a lot of the plot holes. Think about it, people have been criticizing the pacing and ability of Euron/Cersei to know exactly where Danarys' armies and allies are in order to ambush them. Varys has said on multiple occasions that he despises the status quo of kings and queens trampling over the common people and using them as pawns.

Varys, being a former slave himself, said he saw a "vision in the flames" when he was young and has a known connection to Mellisandre, with her saying like him, she must die on this foreign continent (Westeros). Keep in mind that this was right after Dany threatened to burn Varys alive if he ever betrayed her. So Varys seeing the visions in the flames as a child could have been foreshadowing his own death. It all adds up, at least IMO, to Varys working both sides (feeding intel to Lannister agents) and serving another cause (Lord of Light?) in order to either completely collapse the current feudal system, or weaken it enough so that the white walkers can't be defeated.

[humanrefutation]

What are some of your favorite Game Of Thrones theories?

Spoiler:

Bran being the Night King seems more and more plausible every week.

Spoiler:

I prefer Bran is Bran the Builder.

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I don't think Bran is the Night King, unless you also believe that Brynden Rivers was serving the Night King when he recruited Bran to train as the new Three-Eyed Raven. I also do not believe we're invested enough in Bran's character to make a twist like that meaningful enough. It wouldn't serve the story well and wouldn't make sense in the grand scheme of things.

The most intriguing working theory I've read thus far is that Tyrion is a Targaryen. Three dragons, three Targaryens. Would explain why Tywin always hated Tyrion. I think, within the next couple episodes, we'll see Jamie and Bronn captured by Dany and, after refusing to bend the knee, sentenced to death. Tyrion will set them free - as Jamie did for him back in the day. Dany will be infuriated, sentence Tyrion to death using dragonfire. Tyrion will emerge unburnt. There you go.

[ReasonablySober]

What are some of your favorite Game Of Thrones theories?

Spoiler:

Bran being the Night King seems more and more plausible every week.

Spoiler:

Varys being a double-agent and still playing both sides would actually solve a lot of the plot holes. Think about it, people have been criticizing the pacing and ability of Euron/Cersei to know exactly where Danarys' armies and allies are in order to ambush them. Varys has said on multiple occasions that he despises the status quo of kings and queens trampling over the common people and using them as pawns.

Varys, being a former slave himself, said he saw a "vision in the flames" when he was young and has a known connection to Mellisandre, with her saying like him, she must die on this foreign continent (Westeros). Keep in mind that this was right after Dany threatened to burn Varys alive if he ever betrayed her. So Varys seeing the visions in the flames as a child could have been foreshadowing his own death. It all adds up, at least IMO, to Varys working both sides (feeding intel to Lannister agents) and serving another cause (Lord of Light?) in order to either completely collapse the current feudal system, or weaken it enough so that the white walkers can't be defeated.

Spoiler:

Isn't the last of the three Dany betrayals "for love"? If that's the case I don't see Varys being a candidate. I think the easiest one to believe is Tyrion betraying Dany because of his love for his brother.

[Ron Swanson]

What are some of your favorite Game Of Thrones theories?

Spoiler:

Bran being the Night King seems more and more plausible every week.

Spoiler:

Varys being a double-agent and still playing both sides would actually solve a lot of the plot holes. Think about it, people have been criticizing the pacing and ability of Euron/Cersei to know exactly where Danarys' armies and allies are in order to ambush them. Varys has said on multiple occasions that he despises the status quo of kings and queens trampling over the common people and using them as pawns.

Varys, being a former slave himself, said he saw a "vision in the flames" when he was young and has a known connection to Mellisandre, with her saying like him, she must die on this foreign continent (Westeros). Keep in mind that this was right after Dany threatened to burn Varys alive if he ever betrayed her. So Varys seeing the visions in the flames as a child could have been foreshadowing his own death. It all adds up, at least IMO, to Varys working both sides (feeding intel to Lannister agents) and serving another cause (Lord of Light?) in order to either completely collapse the current feudal system, or weaken it enough so that the white walkers can't be defeated.

Spoiler:

Isn't the last of the three Dany betrayals "for love"? If that's the case I don't see Varys being a candidate. I think the easiest one to believe is Tyrion betraying Dany because of his love for his brother.

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I had thought the "for love" betrayal was destined for Jorah, but I haven't been keeping track and forgot the 3 betrayals quote and what they all entailed. The Tyrion one does make a lot of sense though, especially considering the events of the last episode. I just feel that Varys is too cunning and complicated a character to be as loyal to one ruler as he's been portrayed. We already pretty much know he's an ancient, or at least much older than he's letting on based on his knowledge and relationship with Mellisandre. I feel that there has to be some greater goal or agenda for him.

[ReasonablySober]

Spoiler:

Varys being a double-agent and still playing both sides would actually solve a lot of the plot holes. Think about it, people have been criticizing the pacing and ability of Euron/Cersei to know exactly where Danarys' armies and allies are in order to ambush them. Varys has said on multiple occasions that he despises the status quo of kings and queens trampling over the common people and using them as pawns.

Varys, being a former slave himself, said he saw a "vision in the flames" when he was young and has a known connection to Mellisandre, with her saying like him, she must die on this foreign continent (Westeros). Keep in mind that this was right after Dany threatened to burn Varys alive if he ever betrayed her. So Varys seeing the visions in the flames as a child could have been foreshadowing his own death. It all adds up, at least IMO, to Varys working both sides (feeding intel to Lannister agents) and serving another cause (Lord of Light?) in order to either completely collapse the current feudal system, or weaken it enough so that the white walkers can't be defeated.

Spoiler:

Isn't the last of the three Dany betrayals "for love"? If that's the case I don't see Varys being a candidate. I think the easiest one to believe is Tyrion betraying Dany because of his love for his brother.

Spoiler:

I had thought the "for love" betrayal was destined for Jorah, but I haven't been keeping track and forgot the 3 betrayals quote and what they all entailed. The Tyrion one does make a lot of sense though, especially considering the events of the last episode. I just feel that Varys is too cunning and complicated a character to be as loyal to one ruler as he's been portrayed. We already pretty much know he's an ancient, or at least much older than he's letting on based on his knowledge and relationship with Mellisandre. I feel that there has to be some greater goal or agenda for him.

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So the three betrayals are for blood, gold, and love.

So far:

Blood - Mirri Maz Duur: killing of her child and husband
Gold - Jorah - Selling Dany info to Varys
Love - ?

[humanrefutation]

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We already pretty much know he's an ancient, or at least much older than he's letting on based on his knowledge and relationship with Mellisandre. I feel that there has to be some greater goal or agenda for him.

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How do we know that, though? At least in the show, there hasn't been any indication from what I can tell that his relationship with Melisandre is anything more than it appears - that he knew of her work because he's a man who knows things. She said something about how Varys needs to die in Westeros, but Varys's body language in response indicated to me that he was almost creeped out by her statement, not that he was of the same mind as she.

[Bucksfan28]

Haven't seen this posted. I can't wait.

Watch on YouTube

[bigkurty]

What are some of your favorite Game Of Thrones theories?

Spoiler:

Bran being the Night King seems more and more plausible every week.

Spoiler:

I prefer Bran is Bran the Builder.

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Spoiler:

I don't think Bran is the Night King, unless you also believe that Brynden Rivers was serving the Night King when he recruited Bran to train as the new Three-Eyed Raven. I also do not believe we're invested enough in Bran's character to make a twist like that meaningful enough. It wouldn't serve the story well and wouldn't make sense in the grand scheme of things.

The most intriguing working theory I've read thus far is that Tyrion is a Targaryen. Three dragons, three Targaryens. Would explain why Tywin always hated Tyrion. I think, within the next couple episodes, we'll see Jamie and Bronn captured by Dany and, after refusing to bend the knee, sentenced to death. Tyrion will set them free - as Jamie did for him back in the day. Dany will be infuriated, sentence Tyrion to death using dragonfire. Tyrion will emerge unburnt. There you go.

That is a really cool theory. I have been toying with some similar thoughts in my mind but I never extrapolated it out that far.

[emunney]

Spoiler:

We already pretty much know he's an ancient, or at least much older than he's letting on based on his knowledge and relationship with Mellisandre. I feel that there has to be some greater goal or agenda for him.

Spoiler:

How do we know that, though? At least in the show, there hasn't been any indication from what I can tell that his relationship with Melisandre is anything more than it appears - that he knew of her work because he's a man who knows things. She said something about how Varys needs to die in Westeros, but Varys's body language in response indicated to me that he was almost creeped out by her statement, not that he was of the same mind as she.

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What I didn't understand about that was why it was supposed to be creepy or even portentous. It would be like if somebody said you were going to die in North America. Yeah I live here. I've been here for decades. I don't intend to leave, and I'm not immortal. Checks all the boxes.

[RRyder823]

Spoiler:

We already pretty much know he's an ancient, or at least much older than he's letting on based on his knowledge and relationship with Mellisandre. I feel that there has to be some greater goal or agenda for him.

Spoiler:

How do we know that, though? At least in the show, there hasn't been any indication from what I can tell that his relationship with Melisandre is anything more than it appears - that he knew of her work because he's a man who knows things. She said something about how Varys needs to die in Westeros, but Varys's body language in response indicated to me that he was almost creeped out by her statement, not that he was of the same mind as she.

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What I didn't understand about that was why it was supposed to be creepy or even portentous. It would be like if somebody said you were going to die in North America. Yeah I live here. I've been here for decades. I don't intend to leave, and I'm not immortal. Checks all the boxes.

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Probably because last season when he was talking to the other Red Priestess she got under his skin by mentioning something he saw in the flames when he was a kid.

The two comments are probably connected

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[humanrefutation]

Spoiler:

We already pretty much know he's an ancient, or at least much older than he's letting on based on his knowledge and relationship with Mellisandre. I feel that there has to be some greater goal or agenda for him.

Spoiler:

How do we know that, though? At least in the show, there hasn't been any indication from what I can tell that his relationship with Melisandre is anything more than it appears - that he knew of her work because he's a man who knows things. She said something about how Varys needs to die in Westeros, but Varys's body language in response indicated to me that he was almost creeped out by her statement, not that he was of the same mind as she.

Spoiler:

What I didn't understand about that was why it was supposed to be creepy or even portentous. It would be like if somebody said you were going to die in North America. Yeah I live here. I've been here for decades. I don't intend to leave, and I'm not immortal. Checks all the boxes.

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Yeah, but she's a red priestess who apparently has the ability to see the future via the Lord of Light. She's not just some random person. The fact that she spoke with such definitiveness about that carries extra weight - like she can see his death - and that would make anyone creeped out.