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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#441 » by Fitz303 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:33 pm

Village Idiot wrote:I've yet to see a trade between these three teams that is palatable for us. I guess Fritz gets pretty close with Harkless and Myers going out (no reason for us to send out Noah Vonleh) and Gordon and Ariza coming back. Tarik Black would need to go out from Houston to New York as well.


I included Vonleh for a couple of reasons.

1. Moving his contract in the deal put the Blazers below the luxury tax line
2. He's going to be a RFA after this year, and unless he's made huge strides, I doubt that the Blazers re-sign him at this point
3. Getting the reigning 6th man of the year, and a starting SF on a playoff team is going to take a little more than Harkless, especially when some of Harkless' value is offset by the inclusion of Meyers Leonard.

Getting Gordon and Ariza for Harkless and Vonleh is a pretty solid deal, when you add in the fact that it rids the Blazers of Leonard.
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#442 » by Village Idiot » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:36 pm

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Village Idiot wrote:I've yet to see a trade between these three teams that is palatable for us. I guess Fritz gets pretty close with Harkless and Myers going out (no reason for us to send out Noah Vonleh) and Gordon and Ariza coming back. Tarik Black would need to go out from Houston to New York as well.


I included Vonleh for a couple of reasons.

1. Moving his contract in the deal put the Blazers below the luxury tax line
2. He's going to be a RFA after this year, and unless he's made huge strides, I doubt that the Blazers re-sign him at this point
3. Getting the reigning 6th man of the year, and a starting SF on a playoff team is going to take a little more than Harkless, especially when some of Harkless' value is offset by the inclusion of Meyers Leonard.

Getting Gordon and Ariza for Harkless and Vonleh is a pretty solid deal, when you add in the fact that it rids the Blazers of Leonard.
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#443 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:19 pm

I included Vonleh for a couple of reasons.

1. Moving his contract in the deal put the Blazers below the luxury tax line
2. He's going to be a RFA after this year, and unless he's made huge strides, I doubt that the Blazers re-sign him at this point
3. Getting the reigning 6th man of the year, and a starting SF on a playoff team is going to take a little more than Harkless, especially when some of Harkless' value is offset by the inclusion of Meyers Leonard.

Getting Gordon and Ariza for Harkless and Vonleh is a pretty solid deal, when you add in the fact that it rids the Blazers of Leonard.


Ya, I think the time to move Vonleh is now. We just drafted two guys capable of playing PF and with our cap situation, and the impending contract of Nurkic, it just doesn't make sense to pay Noah. If he can be included to make a nice deal go through, I would pull the trigger.

I hate the idea of dealing Harkless, but Harkless / Leonard / Vonleh for Gordon and Ariza is a pretty sweet deal. We would absolutely need meaningful minutes from Swanigan or Collins at PF if the deal went through though.

PG - Damian Lillard (32mpg) / CJ McCollum (16mpg)
SG - CJ McCollum (16mpg) / Eric Gordon (30mpg) / Evan Turner (2mpg)
SF - Trevor Ariza (28mpg) / Evan Turner (20mpg)
PF - Al-Fariq Aminu (28mpg) / Caleb Swanigan (20mpg)
C - Jusuf Nurkic (28mpg) / Ed Davis or Zach Collins (20mpg)

That is a really nice team with top 3 3PT shooting and improved defense IMO. Again, a lot hinges on Caleb being ready for 18-20mpg, and offensively I think he certainly is. Ariza can play some small-ball PF too.

Moving Harkless, who is young and likely to improve, really hurts though. We can replicate his production and defense through Ariza, but I don't see us affirding to resign Trevor and I wouldn't even want to at his likely price and age.

I would prefer to deal Myers Leonard, Noah Vonleh and a R1 for Gordon and just keep Harkless. We would have to use that r1 on a future SF anyways if we dealt Mo.
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#444 » by Goldbum » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:27 pm

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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#445 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:29 pm

Lol, updated. It would be 22mpg total.

The primary issue with the team would be whether Ariza, Turner, Aminu, Nurkic, Collins and Davis could cover for the bad defense from the Guard positions. I think its possible with chemistry. Also, is Caleb as a rookie defender more likely to be a turnstile or a guy who knows position and hustle but just doesn't have the footspeed to lockdown. I think he would be the latter, which is a lot better than a turnstile.

Again, I like Caleb and his strength guarding Centers much more than PF's. It may make more sense for the PF/C rotation to look like:

PF - Al-Fariq Aminu (28mpg) / Ed Davis or Zach Collins (20mpg)
C - Jusuf Nurkic (28mpg) / Caleb Swaingain (20mg)
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#446 » by Goldbum » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:44 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Lol, updated. It would be 22mpg total.

Ahhh much better. I actually really like that team. However I have to say I like it a lot more if Noah is still there. Fixes the wonky depth at both PF and SF since you no longer need to rely on a rookie for all those minutes and it frees up Aminu to platoon more.at the 3. If Ariza or Aminu miss any time at all that line up falls apart. Noah solidifies both positions due to chief's versatility. Problem is that it probably requires Vonleh to make acquire Ariza/Gordon so it's a sort of rock and a hard place scenario. :banghead:
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#447 » by Jingles2 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:48 pm

I don't know if the Knicks would do this (maybe if Houston tossed them a couple future picks), but I would do it. Losing Leonard and Turner makes up for having to take Anderson in my opinion.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8jg74tc
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Post#448 » by Wizenheimer » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:06 pm

Jingles2 wrote:I don't know if the Knicks would do this (maybe if Houston tossed them a couple future picks), but I would do it. Losing Leonard and Turner makes up for having to take Anderson in my opinion.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8jg74tc


the Knicks would laugh that off the phone

I have doubts Portland can offload Leonard in a Melo deal...maybe; but Meyers + Turner is way too much toxicity for any team to consider....unless it's the dumb version of Portland
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#449 » by Capn'O » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:02 pm

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Jingles2 wrote:I don't know if the Knicks would do this (maybe if Houston tossed them a couple future picks), but I would do it. Losing Leonard and Turner makes up for having to take Anderson in my opinion.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8jg74tc


the Knicks would laugh that off the phone

I have doubts Portland can offload Leonard in a Melo deal...maybe; but Meyers + Turner is way too much toxicity for any team to consider....unless it's the dumb version of Portland


To be fair, NYK does have a track record :oops:
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#450 » by dive135 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:02 am

Jingles2 wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybcu7apw

Portland out : Harkless and Turner
Portland in: Ryan Anderson and Ariza
Houston out: Anderson and Ariza
Houston in: Anthony
NY out: Anthony
NY in: Harkless and Turner

Anderson's contract sucks but so does Turner' s, so which one has more value as a contributer?Ariza only has one year left on his deal and is still a very solid player that would fit in nice at the 3, however, it would suck having to give up Harkless (maybe we could make it Aminu instead). If Anthony will only go to Houston then maybe we could get them to take Aminu instead of Harkless.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6wx59kn

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Absolutely no on Anderson, he plays me defense and kills the cap for three years. There is no way Portland can afford paying 4 players 20m+ assuming Nurkic gets a new contract.
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#451 » by monopoman » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:22 am

Fitz303 wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:I've yet to see a trade between these three teams that is palatable for us. I guess Fritz gets pretty close with Harkless and Myers going out (no reason for us to send out Noah Vonleh) and Gordon and Ariza coming back. Tarik Black would need to go out from Houston to New York as well.


I included Vonleh for a couple of reasons.

1. Moving his contract in the deal put the Blazers below the luxury tax line
2. He's going to be a RFA after this year, and unless he's made huge strides, I doubt that the Blazers re-sign him at this point
3. Getting the reigning 6th man of the year, and a starting SF on a playoff team is going to take a little more than Harkless, especially when some of Harkless' value is offset by the inclusion of Meyers Leonard.

Getting Gordon and Ariza for Harkless and Vonleh is a pretty solid deal, when you add in the fact that it rids the Blazers of Leonard.

Yeah I agree I think with Gordon+Ariza the Blazers become far more formidable in the west and aren't relying heavily on Nurkic, Swanigan, and/or Collins to really improve the team. Now obviously if one of those guys can step up and play well that is a huge addition but Grdon+Ariza alone has to make this team quite a bit better.
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Post#452 » by Case2012 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:03 am

Just throw in Collins to NY instead of Vonleh and I'm sure the Knicks would do it.
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#453 » by Run PDX » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:40 am

To New York: Turner, Harkless, Leonard, Portland's 2018 1st, and a future 1st from Houston
To Houston: Melo
To Philly: Anderson
To Portland: Lee, Bayless, Okafor, Ariza

Why for New York: The Knicks collect a good package from Portland and Houston. They take on some bigger contracts, BUT they do add assets in picks. And, they add Harkless - who they are rumored to want.
Why for Houston: Houston gets their main guy, and they can still package roughly $8m in non-guaranteed contracts to add more talent to the roster.
Why for Philly: Philly adds another vet to their group; and, having a three point shooting big would be helpful for the team going forward with Fultz running the team.
Why for Portland: Portland cuts $3M with this deal, firstly. They also add some pieces to round out the bench with consistency.

PG: Lillard / Bayless / Napier
SG: McCollum / Lee / Connaughton
SF: Ariza / Aminu / Layman
PF: Vonleh / Okafor / Swanigan
C: Nurkic / Davis / Collins
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#454 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:49 am

Run PDX wrote:To New York: Turner, Harkless, Leonard, Portland's 2018 1st, and a future 1st from Houston
To Houston: Melo
To Philly: Anderson
To Portland: Lee, Bayless, Okafor, Ariza

Spoiler:
Why for New York: The Knicks collect a good package from Portland and Houston. They take on some bigger contracts, BUT they do add assets in picks. And, they add Harkless - who they are rumored to want.
Why for Houston: Houston gets their main guy, and they can still package roughly $8m in non-guaranteed contracts to add more talent to the roster.
Why for Philly: Philly adds another vet to their group; and, having a three point shooting big would be helpful for the team going forward with Fultz running the team.
Why for Portland: Portland cuts $3M with this deal, firstly. They also add some pieces to round out the bench with consistency.

PG: Lillard / Bayless / Napier
SG: McCollum / Lee / Connaughton
SF: Ariza / Aminu / Layman
PF: Vonleh / Okafor / Swanigan
C: Nurkic / Davis / Collins


Harkless and two 1sts is good value...however, Turner and Leonard go a long ways in destroying that value

the Knicks would be taking on around 115M in long term salary after sending out 53M (only 26M if you assume Melo would opt out)

paying 62M dollars (or 89M) for two first round picks is a very heavy price, even with Harkless added
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#455 » by Goldbum » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:06 am

That's an interesting and Valiant effort Run... but the thought of bringing in Bayless turns my stomach(ironic cause I really really wanted us to draft him back in the day). I don't know, if it went down that way we would be rid of ET and Meyers so yeah that's something...
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#456 » by Fitz303 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:02 pm

Woj was on Mike and Mike this morning and said (paraphrasing) the team to watch here is Portland. The league has become all about recruiting recently, and he's been told that Dame and CJ have made real progress with peaking Melo's interest in playing with them in Portland. He said that Portland, with Melo, is as good as any team in the west outside of GSW. Wish I could find a video to better get the quote down, but that's the gist of it. He only mentioned Houston and Portland as teams that have a shot
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#457 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:42 pm

I wonder if NYK would do Harkless, Leonard, Vonleh, Layman for Melo. I dislike dealing Harkless, and Vonleh has some value (But IMO isn't going to be a Blazer once his deal expires), but moving Leonard and getting the expiring Melo, who is also the best player in the deal, is huge.

I would much rather include Aminu but they likely wouldn't take Leonard unless Harkless was involved.

PG - Damian Lillard (32) / Shabazz Napier (16)
SG - CJ McCollum (32) / Evan Turner (6) / Pat Connoughton (10)
SF - Al-Fariq Aminu (30) / Evan Turner (18)
PF - Carmelo Anthony (30) / Caleb Swaingain (18)
C - Jusuf Nurkic (30) / Ed Davis (18)

With Zach slowly eating Ed's minutes as he slams more Five Guys burgers to add them lbs. The bench 3PT shooting is putrid suddenly with Crabbe's departure though, but our starting unit is money. The interchangeability of Melo/Aminu at Forward really strikes me as unique.
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#458 » by PDXKnight » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:03 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I wonder if NYK would do Harkless, Leonard, Vonleh, Layman for Melo. I dislike dealing Harkless, and Vonleh has some value (But IMO isn't going to be a Blazer once his deal expires), but moving Leonard and getting the expiring Melo, who is also the best player in the deal, is huge.

I would much rather include Aminu but they likely wouldn't take Leonard unless Harkless was involved.

PG - Damian Lillard (32) / Shabazz Napier (16)
SG - CJ McCollum (32) / Evan Turner (6) / Pat Connoughton (10)
SF - Al-Fariq Aminu (30) / Evan Turner (18)
PF - Carmelo Anthony (30) / Caleb Swaingain (18)
C - Jusuf Nurkic (30) / Ed Davis (18)

With Zach slowly eating Ed's minutes as he slams more Five Guys burgers to add them lbs. The bench 3PT shooting is putrid suddenly with Crabbe's departure though, but our starting unit is money. The interchangeability of Melo/Aminu at Forward really strikes me as unique.


Anthony at pf would be horrid defensively. I think aminu would end up starting there with melo at sf

As for the trade offer I think they'd probably want one of aminu or Davis instead of Meyers. I find it hard to believe they're gonna deal away by far the best player in the deal and take back Meyers unless they really value harkless
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#459 » by Ripcity4life » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:03 pm

The next Blazer fan that suggests Collins be thrown into a Melo deal -- i am revoking your Blazer fandom Card -- Kidding about last part but geez

I am sick of the Collins hate it's almost like just cause he is white or like myers he will suck -- He needs to get his body more NBA ready. Any fan willing to give up on him this early after 1 1/2 Summer league games are clueless plain and simple #TRUTH
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Re: Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade 

Post#460 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:51 pm

Ripcity didn't you get the memo? Collins is Myers because they are melanin similar, height similar and both shoot 3 pointers.

Even though Myers didn't shoot 3 pointers in college and had like half the block rate and was clearly not nearly as functionally athletic or quick but ya, their gonna be the same player lets just cut him now and get over with it.

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