Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

JohnWillow · Post #1081 » by **JohnWillow** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:33 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:

next season gonna KO scrub Chriss and Morris.

Don't @ me.

ChaosHamster · Post #1082 » by **ChaosHamster** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:37 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #1083 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:48 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:

Read on Twitter

I hope I'm dead wrong but I feel like this dude is on the Dwight Howard trajectory. Just my gut.

adjacent2bench · Post #1084 » by **adjacent2bench** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:51 pm

I wouldn't say Dwight but he does have cornball tendencies. (That IG slide)

Still young af though. Not worried in the slightest.

Post #1085 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:55 pm

adjacent2bench wrote:I wouldn't say Dwight but he does have cornball tendencies. (That IG slide)

Still young af though. Not worried in the slightest.

Young is when Dwight seemed like a good kid too. Then he got older and he stayed a jerk. KP feels similar to me and it does seem like he forced out Phil. People won't see it but I separate my feeling that Phil did an underrated job from my feeling that KP shouldn't be forcing out anyone, not even someone I really disliked.

He better live up to the mantle he's given himself of a top young player. He better play D first and become a really reliable scorer fast. Otherwise yeah I think his trajectory is not that special, and he may be more of a clown than we want to believe.

ChaosHamster · Post #1086 » by **ChaosHamster** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:57 pm

JohnWillow wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:

next season gonna KO scrub Chriss and Morris.

Don't @ me.

Post #1087 » by **magnumt** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:02 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:

Read on Twitter

I hope I'm dead wrong but I feel like this dude is on the Dwight Howard trajectory. Just my gut.

Dwight can't hit a FT, much less hit a 3. :lol:

--Mags

Post #1088 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:13 pm

magnumt wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:

Read on Twitter

I hope I'm dead wrong but I feel like this dude is on the Dwight Howard trajectory. Just my gut.

Dwight can't hit a FT, much less hit a 3.

--Mags

Well that's obviously not what I'm referring to. But yeah, if KP can shoot it at the level of an unstoppable shooter, then probably nothing else matters much.

ChaosHamster · Post #1089 » by **ChaosHamster** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:13 pm

Holy, KG is a king of overreactions.. jeez

And how is Dwight's trajectory even bad?

Next year, KP and Frank still develop while Team tanks and get Doncic.

Then comes three straight DPOY season from KP with more experienced Frank and Doncic leading the offense.

Good luck teams scoring more than 70.

Tron Carter · Post #1090 » by **Tron Carter** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:14 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:

Read on Twitter

I hope I'm dead wrong but I feel like this dude is on the Dwight Howard trajectory. Just my gut.

what the hell does that even mean? he's going to be a hall of famer?

Post #1091 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:16 pm

Tron Carter wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:

Read on Twitter

I hope I'm dead wrong but I feel like this dude is on the Dwight Howard trajectory. Just my gut.

what the hell does that even mean? he's going to be a hall of famer?

You think Dwight is a HOFer?

Post #1092 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:19 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:Holy, KG is a king of overreactions.. jeez

And how is Dwight's trajectory even bad?

Next year, KP and Frank still develop while Team tanks and get Doncic.

Then comes three straight DPOY season from KP with more experienced Frank and Doncic leading the offense.

Good luck teams scoring more than 70.

I hope you're right. But I've 'overreacted' to one thing all summer -- KP being a little bit ... different ... than I thought he was. Less good soldier, more social media poster. Like I said back it up. Then I will be delighted and go back to defending him.

The taste in my mouth is changing a little, yes.

Tron Carter · Post #1093 » by **Tron Carter** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:21 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
I hope I'm dead wrong but I feel like this dude is on the Dwight Howard trajectory. Just my gut.

what the hell does that even mean? he's going to be a hall of famer?

You think Dwight is a HOFer?

doesn't matter what i think. his resume is HOF worthy and he will get in.

CharlesOakley · Post #1094 » by **CharlesOakley** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:29 pm

The problem with Dwight was poor attitude, poor work ethic and want to be "the man". While KP might want to be "the man", I don't think he has demonstrated a poor attitude and definitely not a poor work ethic. I'm not sure what similarities you see between the two but Dwight has quit on multiple teams and coaches.

Post #1095 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:30 pm

Tron Carter wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
what the hell does that even mean? he's going to be a hall of famer?

You think Dwight is a HOFer?

doesn't matter what i think. his resume is HOF worthy and he will get in.

Maybe. HOF is a promotional vehicle, but Dwight has been a mediocre 1-dimensional center for a number of years. It would be like putting Doc Gooden in the HOF.

It'd be silly but yes silly things happen.

Suffice to say that if KP turns out to be more or less at Dwight's level -- a few very good years and then falls off tremendously (despite being a different type of player, with better O) -- then he won't have the kind of career many of us here hope for.

I don't know what's so controversial about the idea that a player's personality indicates the type of player he'll be. Or that they're linked in some way.

It's fair to say -- You don't know what kind of person KP is from his posts. Fair. I am a little concerned, but I don't think I have enough info.

On the other hand, if the argument is -- you can be a clown and still be great, well then I disagree strongly. Kawhi, Tony Parker, Dirk ... their seriousness is related to how great they became. I don't even love Antet's game but he seems totally focused and determined.

I'm old-fashioned. Do your job. It's hard enough to do the job of being a great player. Getting distracted and worrying about your likes or your Twitter feed ... it's a bad sign, yeah that's what I think.

LeBron is a bit of a clown but really loves the game and has talent that is completely off the charts. Shaq too. These are guys who had unbelievable gifts, and both took their craft pretty seriously as well.

I don't think KP has that level of unusual talent. He'll have to work for it. And so a lot of the weirdness coming from him, that yes includes getting Phil pushed out, to me is a little worrisome. We'll see.

Become a great player first, then celebrate it some fine. But I'm looking for the makeup of a totally focused and determined player. I don't have enough info to say it's not there, but I have a different view of him than I did after his rookie year.

You can wave it away all you like but humility, focus, determination, they tend to run together. Let's see him get out there and back it all up. Then I'm good.

ChaosHamster · Post #1096 » by **ChaosHamster** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:31 pm

KP loves attention, LeBron loves attention, especially on social media..

Just saying..

ChaosHamster · Post #1097 » by **ChaosHamster** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:33 pm

Wait? Did you just say Dirk is serious?

Post #1098 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:34 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:The problem with Dwight was poor attitude, poor work ethic and want to be "the man". While KP might want to be "the man", I don't think he has demonstrated a poor attitude and definitely not a poor work ethic. I'm not sure what similarities you see between the two but Dwight has quit on multiple teams and coaches.

The similarity is not in game. But Dwight started off beloved and seemed like a guy who could overcome the INEVITABLE obstacles in the way of becoming a great NBA player. Then he started to decline the minute he left Orlando. Yeah he's limited by his offensive talent but that's not the whole thing -- his questionable toughness and attitude became a problem.

KP doesn't show a bad work ethic. He doesn't show that he's definitely a clown either. But if you don't think there's more signs of clownery now than after his rookie year, I think you're turning a blind eye a little. He is a guy coming off a good but clearly not great 2nd season who pushed out one of the most revered basketball people ever. That's a little worrisome.

Now, I don't know his precise reasons, so I'm not taking out my pitchfork yet, but he seemed to do it publicly. He could easily have done it more privately. There are some bad signs, and no -- I don't think he came close to great last season.

Would I trade him? Nope. Do I think he's can't miss or close? Nope. Am I concerned about his attitude? A little yeah.

Tron Carter · Post #1099 » by **Tron Carter** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:35 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
Tron Carter wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
You think Dwight is a HOFer?

doesn't matter what i think. his resume is HOF worthy and he will get in.

Maybe. HOF is a promotional vehicle, but Dwight has been a mediocre 1-dimensional center for a number of years. It would be like putting Doc Gooden in the HOF.

It'd be silly but yes silly things happen.

Suffice to say that if KP turns out to be more or less at Dwight's level -- a few very good years and then falls off tremendously (despite being a different type of player, with better O) -- then he won't have the kind of career many of us here hope for.

I don't know what's so controversial about the idea that a player's personality indicates the type of player he'll be. Or that they're linked in some way.

It's fair to say -- You don't know what kind of person KP is from his posts. Fair. I am a little concerned, but I don't think I have enough info.

On the other hand, if the argument is -- you can be a clown and still be great, well then I disagree strongly. Kawhi, Tony Parker, Dirk ... their seriousness is related to how great they became. I don't even love Antet's game but he seems totally focused and determined.

I'm old-fashioned. Do your job. It's hard enough to do the job of being a great player. Getting distracted and worrying about your likes or your Twitter feed ... it's a bad sign, yeah that's what I think.

LeBron is a bit of a clown but really loves the game and has talent that is completely off the charts. Shaq too. These are guys who had unbelievable gifts, and both took their craft pretty seriously as well.

I don't think KP has that level of unusual talent. He'll have to work for it. And so a lot of the weirdness coming from him, that yes includes getting Phil pushed out, to me is a little worrisome. We'll see.

Become a great player first, then celebrate it some fine. But I'm looking for the makeup of a totally focused and determined player. I don't have enough info to say it's not there, but I have a different view of him than I did after his rookie year.

You can wave it away all you like but humility, focus, determination, they tend to run together. Let's see him get out there and back it all up. Then I'm good.

we can't have a serious conversation if you're comparing dwight howard to drew gooden. respect you as a poster but you're so completely off base.

Post #1100 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:36 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:Wait? Did you just say Dirk is serious?

Dirk was determined to be great. The man is steel. You can't put up some posts of him acting silly and say he's not serious. Dirk is very talented. He's also tough AS HELL.

I'm not against someone being goofy. But to be great, you better have the guts and talent to back it up. Dirk definitely has that.

LeBron is goofy and loves attention, and so did Shaq. Those are 2 of the most unstoppable physical forces that have ever played the game.