Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

IllmaticHandler · Post #1121 » by **IllmaticHandler** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:28 pm

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Well he Loses Points for him used to have a Crush on Rihanna...

BKlutch · Post #1122 » by **BKlutch** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:36 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
BKlutch wrote:
magnumt wrote:
You got "Porzingis may end up with a bad attitude" from THAT video?!

So I guess Steph Curry must be a vile human being to you then?

The nerve of KP, having fun while representing his country BY CHOICE. The nerve of KP running youth camps and building a basketball court to do so.

...how DARE he!

Y'all nig*as reach for anything these days.

--Mags

For anybody who's ever seen Curry with that disgusting dangling mouth guard, you just know it's true he's vile. As for KP, nah, representing his country is not enough. Anybody who wants to be really great should represent at least two.

It's nice that he wanted to represent his country. I haven't said anything bad about that. Obviously that's not the whole picture.

Like it or not, he's a 2nd year player (okay 3rd year, with the 3rd year far off) who seemed to defy the Knicks president and helped push him out. You can ignore that completely, no problem from me. To each his own. That raises my antenna.

Marbury and Larry Brown ... who cares who was right and who was wrong, that was a bad sign no? Yes it was.

And to anticipate the arguments against me ... yes I know KP could be greater than Marbury, I know Phil might've been senile and trying to get fired, no Phil should not have given that stupid interview to ESPN where he talked about trading the Unicorn, etc. I'm fair. I really am.

But I'm concerned too. We can pretend he's so great in his talent that he doesn't need to be a really good guy mentally -- that he doesn't need to be fully focused and committed -- but I can't pretend that. I don't see KP as that kind of talent. He's 7-3 and gifted. All NBA players are gifted. Kawhi has amazing gifts, but I think KP's odds of reaching Kawhi's level, or close, are about the same as Kawhi's were.

But one of the secrets of the success of guys like Kawhi is love of the game, a strong desire to be great, and excluding as many distractions as possible to reach the pinnacle. I'm entirely hoping that I'm overreacting in my concern, yep.

I had serious thoughts about KP's personality when he skipped the exit meeting, and then Phil started pushing the situation. Yes, I get it that as a relative kid in his second year, it's not his place to get coaches or presidents fired (I'd question if it's even right for Melo to do that). I thought about that a lot, and after a while, it seemed that it was Phil who was most out of line. He didn't have much ability to relate to others or to understand how to deal with people - all sorts of people - players, coaches, front office at the Knicks, other front offices...

So I decided that KP is just a kid who wants to become a great player. He probably never thought skipping the exit meeting would escalate the way it did. I don't believe he wanted that. I also think he's been doing all the right stuff all summer long to improve his strength and conditioning for the team.

Maybe it's overwhelming to a second year player when the President is crazy like that. I can imagine what he must have felt. So although I also thought about this, I don't think it's an issue. We may have hired Perry late in the off season, but we really needed him. I'm so glad he's on board.

ChaosHamster · Post #1123 » by **ChaosHamster** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:40 pm

Like I've always been saying..

Mental side is the least of my worries for KP. His skill in the other hand..

Every scout and trainer (even in this fact video, our NT coach said KP would've handed out towels in his first season in NBA..) Everyone thought he wasn't ready.

But no-one really knew how thought he was mentally. Guy just said **** it, I'am gonna impress.

All this **** about him not being alpha material.. He is scared to shoot, etc.

Btw, I gathered some stats from two previous years. Of games where he missed the most shots in the 1st quarter. And how he finished the games afterwards. Posted this before in one of Melo`s trade threads, perhaps someone missed it.

Top 10 games where he missed the most shots in the 1st quarter:

Against LAC: Started - 2/9, Finished - 4/17.

Against Indiana: Started - 1/7, Finished - 3/11.

Against Pelicans: Started - 1/7, Finished - 4/15.

Against Indiana: Started - 1/7, Finished - 5/17.

Against Kings: Started - 1/6, Finished - 6/17.

Against Blazers: Started - 1/6, Finished - 8/21.

Against LAC: Started - 4/9, Finished - 10/19.

Against Denver: Started - 0/5. Finished - 10/23.

Against Raps: Started - 0/5. Finished - 3/11.

Against Kings: Started - 1/6. Finished - 6/19.

Well, not as many good games as I remembered. :lol:

But as you can see, even after a cold start he still went above 10 FGA in every one of those games.. In many even over 15 FGA. So he clearly keeps shooting even if started slow..

Post #1124 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:51 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:Like I've always been saying..

Mental side is the least of my worries for KP. His skill in the other hand..

Every scout and trainer (even in this fact video, our NT coach said KP would've handed out towels in his first season in NBA..) Everyone thought he wasn't ready.

But no-one really knew how thought he was mentally. Guy just said **** it, I'am gonna impress.

All this **** about him not being alpha material.. He is scared to shoot, etc.

Btw, I gathered some stats from two previous years. Of games where he missed the most shots in the 1st quarter. And how he finished the games afterwards. Posted this before in one of Melo`s trade threads, perhaps someone missed it.

Top 10 games where he missed the most shots in the 1st quarter:

Against LAC: Started - 2/9, Finished - 4/17.

Against Indiana: Started - 1/7, Finished - 3/11.

Against Pelicans: Started - 1/7, Finished - 4/15.

Against Indiana: Started - 1/7, Finished - 5/17.

Against Kings: Started - 1/6, Finished - 6/17.

Against Blazers: Started - 1/6, Finished - 8/21.

Against LAC: Started - 4/9, Finished - 10/19.

Against Denver: Started - 0/5. Finished - 10/23.

Against Raps: Started - 0/5. Finished - 3/11.

Against Kings: Started - 1/6. Finished - 6/19.

Well, not as many good games as I remembered.

But as you can see, even after a cold start he still went above 10 FGA in every one of those games.. In many even over 15 FGA. So he clearly keeps shooting even if started slow..

Agreed. He has shown mental fortitude in still shooting no matter how he starts. He also seems to rise to the occasion, minus those free throws in Atlanta. He has shown some good signs about just being special as a player when the game is on the line or as it moves on. He will figure out how to adjust and do something to help.

D first. Offense will obviously need to happen. But if he can play mobile 7-3 D, then he'll at least be very good.

Greenie · Post #1125 » by **Greenie** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:31 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:Like I've always been saying..

Mental side is the least of my worries for KP. His skill in the other hand..

Every scout and trainer (even in this fact video, our NT coach said KP would've handed out towels in his first season in NBA..) Everyone thought he wasn't ready.

But no-one really knew how thought he was mentally. Guy just said **** it, I'am gonna impress.

All this **** about him not being alpha material.. He is scared to shoot, etc.

Btw, I gathered some stats from two previous years. Of games where he missed the most shots in the 1st quarter. And how he finished the games afterwards. Posted this before in one of Melo`s trade threads, perhaps someone missed it.

Top 10 games where he missed the most shots in the 1st quarter:

Against LAC: Started - 2/9, Finished - 4/17.

Against Indiana: Started - 1/7, Finished - 3/11.

Against Pelicans: Started - 1/7, Finished - 4/15.

Against Indiana: Started - 1/7, Finished - 5/17.

Against Kings: Started - 1/6, Finished - 6/17.

Against Blazers: Started - 1/6, Finished - 8/21.

Against LAC: Started - 4/9, Finished - 10/19.

Against Denver: Started - 0/5. Finished - 10/23.

Against Raps: Started - 0/5. Finished - 3/11.

Against Kings: Started - 1/6. Finished - 6/19.

Well, not as many good games as I remembered.

But as you can see, even after a cold start he still went above 10 FGA in every one of those games.. In many even over 15 FGA. So he clearly keeps shooting even if started slow..

That's good.

Keep Shooting KP

Besart19 · Post #1126 » by **Besart19** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:46 pm

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Wolfgang630 · Post #1127 » by **Wolfgang630** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:09 am

KnicksGod wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:

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I hope I'm dead wrong but I feel like this dude is on the Dwight Howard trajectory. Just my gut.

Holy crap he's going to be a Hall of Famer!

MaseInYourFace · Post #1128 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:40 am

I think we had a discussion at one point on here about Dwight's HOF prospects and I think most agreed he misses the cut. I can't think of one center currently in the HOF that you can say Dwight is clearly better than.

Wolfgang630 · Post #1129 » by **Wolfgang630** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:43 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:I think we had a discussion at one point on here about Dwight's HOF prospects and I think most agreed he misses the cut. I can't think of one center currently in the HOF that you can say Dwight is clearly better than.

He's going to make the HOF. He doesn't have to be better than anyone. It's the basketball HOF and he has a good enough resume to get in.

MaseInYourFace · Post #1130 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:47 am

You might be right because he compares favorably to Dikembe. But Dikembe was pretty much universally loved, Dwight on the other hand...

Post #1131 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:01 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:You might be right because he compares favorably to Dikembe. But Dikembe was pretty much universally loved, Dwight on the other hand...

I'm not saying it couldn't happen but Dwight in the HOF is a joke. He's a bum.

Post #1132 » by **GONYK** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:50 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:You might be right because he compares favorably to Dikembe. But Dikembe was pretty much universally loved, Dwight on the other hand...

If Dwight goes to the HOF, so should Ron Artest and Ben Wallace

Kurt Rambis · Post #1133 » by **Kurt Rambis** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:52 am

Howard is 3 time DPOY. (only Mutombo & B.Wallace has more in history) 8 time All NBA team. 8 time allstar. 5 time All NBA Defensive team. 5 time rebounding leader. (4th most in history) 2 time block leader. Olympic medalist. Carried a franchise to the finals.

He is actually more accomplished than Melo. :lol:

Even HOF center Alonzo Mourning has lesser accomplishments.

HOFer, no doubt.

god shammgod · Post #1134 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:52 am

GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:You might be right because he compares favorably to Dikembe. But Dikembe was pretty much universally loved, Dwight on the other hand...

If Dwight goes to the HOF, so should Ron Artest and Ben Wallace

they don't have the numbers

Fury · Post #1135 » by **Fury** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:53 am

GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:You might be right because he compares favorably to Dikembe. But Dikembe was pretty much universally loved, Dwight on the other hand...

If Dwight goes to the HOF, so should Ron Artest and Ben Wallace

Eh, Dwight and Ben are multiple time all stars and DPOY winners, Artest doesn't have that resume

god shammgod · Post #1136 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:57 am

ben wallace never reached 10 points for a season and his rebounding numbers aren't any better. if people are being fair to dwight, injuries did him in. orlando dwight was pretty damn good.

Post #1137 » by **GONYK** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:57 am

Fury wrote:
GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:You might be right because he compares favorably to Dikembe. But Dikembe was pretty much universally loved, Dwight on the other hand...

If Dwight goes to the HOF, so should Ron Artest and Ben Wallace

Eh, Dwight and Ben are multiple time all stars and DPOY winners, Artest doesn't have that resume

Artest was the first perimeter player to win DPOY in 15 years, and it would be another 11 years before that happened again. What he did carries more rarity.

Fury · Post #1138 » by **Fury** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:59 am

GONYK wrote:
Fury wrote:
GONYK wrote:
If Dwight goes to the HOF, so should Ron Artest and Ben Wallace

Eh, Dwight and Ben are multiple time all stars and DPOY winners, Artest doesn't have that resume

Artest was the first perimeter player to win DPOY in 15 years, and it would be another 11 years before that happened again. What he did carries more rarity.

I disagree. Dwight and Ben did it at least 3 times. That's rarer.

Post #1139 » by **GONYK** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:01 am

Fury wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Fury wrote:
Eh, Dwight and Ben are multiple time all stars and DPOY winners, Artest doesn't have that resume

Artest was the first perimeter player to win DPOY in 15 years, and it would be another 11 years before that happened again. What he did carries more rarity.

I disagree. Dwight and Ben did it at least 3 times. That's rarer.

I guess.

I don't really care about this enough to fight. I don't think any of them should be in the HOF. :lol:

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #1140 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:02 am

Fury wrote:
GONYK wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:You might be right because he compares favorably to Dikembe. But Dikembe was pretty much universally loved, Dwight on the other hand...

If Dwight goes to the HOF, so should Ron Artest and Ben Wallace

Eh, Dwight and Ben are multiple time all stars and DPOY winners, Artest doesn't have that resume