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Spud2nique wrote:Why is Ingram so offended? Lol...It's not like defense of blocking shots is his forte. Shove it down his throat JC!!!
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John Collins wrote:My ability to play off the pick-and-roll, open plays for other guys and use my athletic body to catch lobs, that's what I do every night. They are giving me free rein to do all that.
...Since I don't get to learn from Paul [Millsap], I have to go out there and earn my minutes and prove [myself] to my coaching staff. It's an opportunity there for me to [go] get.
Brad Rowland: I really, really hope Collins is a part of the rotation from Opening Night.
Graham Chapple: I’m hoping he’ll be starting on opening night
Greg Willis:...I expect to see John Collins start and play 20+ minutes per game from the beginning of the season.
Jeff Siegel: Once January rolls around, he’ll be getting consistent minutes, but it would surprise me to see him on the floor for significant time before that point
RedRev: There is no bigger fan or driver of the Collins Train than me...but, if he starts on more than a semi-regular basis, this team will be awful.
Thomas Jenkins:...I’d say that he would see limited playing time at first, followed by a steady increase of minutes as the season goes on.
macd-gm wrote:Who are some recent rookies who started from game 1 of their rookie season? That's got to be pretty rare. Especially outside of the top 3 picks.
jayu70 wrote:macd-gm wrote:Who are some recent rookies who started from game 1 of their rookie season? That's got to be pretty rare. Especially outside of the top 3 picks.
Not many I can think of off hand.
I said before I think guys like Illyasova, Moose, Dedmon, Baze etc. will playe early and often to showcase them for possible trades. After the trade deadline, if they are still on the roster they will see reduced minutes as the young guys are featured so Schlenk and Bud can see what we have and who to target at the draft.
macd-gm wrote:jayu70 wrote:macd-gm wrote:Who are some recent rookies who started from game 1 of their rookie season? That's got to be pretty rare. Especially outside of the top 3 picks.
Not many I can think of off hand.
I said before I think guys like Illyasova, Moose, Dedmon, Baze etc. will playe early and often to showcase them for possible trades. After the trade deadline, if they are still on the roster they will see reduced minutes as the young guys are featured so Schlenk and Bud can see what we have and who to target at the draft.
I agree 100%. For some reason i'm still seeing writers who think Bud will be trying to win every game at all cost. It's just crazy that they don't think he understands the bigger picture.
jayu70 wrote:Yep.
With young players you want solid vets that can play the way coach wants them to play, help the younguns develop good habits etc. - that's part of the learning process. Having D-League players like Philly did who were only interested in playing to stay in the NBA stunts the development of the young players.
jayu70 wrote:macd-gm wrote:jayu70 wrote:Not many I can think of off hand.
I said before I think guys like Illyasova, Moose, Dedmon, Baze etc. will playe early and often to showcase them for possible trades. After the trade deadline, if they are still on the roster they will see reduced minutes as the young guys are featured so Schlenk and Bud can see what we have and who to target at the draft.
I agree 100%. For some reason i'm still seeing writers who think Bud will be trying to win every game at all cost. It's just crazy that they don't think he understands the bigger picture.
Yep.
With young players you want solid vets that can play the way coach wants them to play, help the younguns develop good habits etc. - that's part of the learning process. Having D-League players like Philly did who were only interested in playing to stay in the NBA stunts the development of the young players.
Antonio McDyess may be the perfect comparison for Collins. McDyess was a 6’9″ power forward who had a nose for the basketball on the offensive end. Before a knee injury in 2003, McDyess averaged at least 20 PPG twice and averaged a double-double twice. He averaged 15.6 PPG and 7.5 RPG his first 3 years in the NBA.
What is John Collins’ best skill? He’s an athletic, high-effort rim-runner. In watching his college highlights, one will see the most is Collins’ running the floor hard for a quick dunk or deep post-up. He has shown good effort on the offensive glass. Besides that, he has a knack for scoring the basketball. He has shown a little bit of a face-up game and an improved jump shot in summer league.
Jamaaliver wrote:Antonio McDyess may be the perfect comparison for Collins. McDyess was a 6’9″ power forward who had a nose for the basketball on the offensive end. Before a knee injury in 2003, McDyess averaged at least 20 PPG twice and averaged a double-double twice. He averaged 15.6 PPG and 7.5 RPG his first 3 years in the NBA.
What is John Collins’ best skill? He’s an athletic, high-effort rim-runner. In watching his college highlights, one will see the most is Collins’ running the floor hard for a quick dunk or deep post-up. He has shown good effort on the offensive glass. Besides that, he has a knack for scoring the basketball. He has shown a little bit of a face-up game and an improved jump shot in summer league.
This is easily the most apt comparison I've seen for what Collins is and likely will be. And that's a pretty good player to have on your squad.
16ppg and 8rpg sounds about right for what to expect from the young fella, simialr to McDyess early in his career.
NOTE: The David Lee comparison makes 0 sense...
Reason for doubt
A year ago, John Collins had finished a quiet freshman season (7.3 points, 3.9 rebounds per game) off the NBA radar.
Last season, he led the nation in player efficiency rating, though he was still the eighth big drafted—behind Jonathan Isaac, Lauri Markkanen, Zach Collins, Bam Adebayo, Justin Patton, D.J. Wilson and T.J. Leaf.
Falling behind that many bigs and dropping outside the lottery doesn't bode well for stellar projections. That said...
Why he'll exceed expectations
Collins is a good bet to finish his rookie season as the most productive of that bunch.
The Atlanta Hawks have a better shot at winning the lottery than competing in the playoffs. Collins is already the most exciting big in an Ersan Ilyasova-Dewayne Dedmon-led frontcourt. His development should be the priority for coaches.
He'll have the chance to play significant minutes and through mistakes.
Even without proven shooting range or refined one-on-one skills, his explosive athleticism and motor should continue leading to easy baskets (62.2 percent FG at Wake Forest in 2016-17) and rebounds (14.8 per 40 minutes). Collins averaged 15.4 points and 9.2 boards per game on 59.3 percent shooting in the summer league, so that didn't appear overly challenging for him, either.
With good timing as a roll man and cutter and the coordination to catch and finish in traffic, he should give Dennis Schroder a needed weapon in the two-man game.
