Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[Greenie]

I really wish folks would be honest with this. If you want Melo to have a chance to win and the Knicks to take a garbage deal to make it possible, just say so. It would really establish where your sword stands, because right now it's rather obvious from reading some of the above post...that is exactly what some are desiring. Just be honest.

That goes both ways.
People should just come out and say they want him to open up to all teams including the bad ones. The better teams in the league do not have assets worth our time unless they find a 3rd team to help facilitate it.

Again, I wonder if these same stances would be taken if KP were in Melo's place.

It's weird to me personally because it's so damn easy to see where the Knicks are coming from but not Melo? And it's the exact same stance. Melo agreeing to go a crappie team(they have the assets we want) is the same a the Knicks taking garbage for him. Neither make any sense. At all.

[HEZI]

So?

That, all of a sudden, is going to make the Knicks do something that Jim Dolan fired Phil Jackson and ate $24M for even suggesting?

What do you mean so? We're not going to be making any progress as an organization. How are we supposed to properly build a new culture with these young kids in the midst of all that? You think KP is going to be happy that his buddy Melo isn't getting treated fair? Jeff Hornacek isn't even proven he can hold together a locker room, now we want to pretend like he can do with all while benching Melo? It's not gonna happen, things will get ugly. Just saying, prepare for another fun ride in Knicksland

Easy. Just treat Melo like any other player.

If he defends and plays within a team concept where he's no longer the first option then there won't be a problem. If he does neither, then he sits.

If the young guys can't appreciate that level of meritocracy, then there are bigger culture issues than Melo's presence.

Melo is not going to change, he's going to play how he knows and do what he does, can't expect that to change. Lance Thomas sucks. Michael Beasley is like a poor man's Melo. Hornacek doesn't really have options. This will be fun

[Thugger HBC]

I really wish folks would be honest with this. If you want Melo to have a chance to win and the Knicks to take a garbage deal to make it possible, just say so. It would really establish where your sword stands, because right now it's rather obvious from reading some of the above post...that is exactly what some are desiring. Just be honest.

That goes both ways.
People should just come out and say they want him to open up to all teams including the bad ones. The better teams in the league do not have assets worth our time unless they find a 3rd team to help facilitate it.

Again, I wonder if these same stances would be taken if KP were in Melo's place.

It's weird to me personally because it's so damn easy to see where the Knicks are coming from but not Melo? And it's the exact same stance. Melo agreeing to go a crappie team(they have the assets we want) is the same a the Knicks taking garbage for him. Neither make any sense. At all.

It really doesn't go both ways. The Knicks can very easily go into the season with Melo, and run their plans of a rebuild WITH Melo. That will include less minutes for him and games, and more playing time for their younger players.

The Knicks have EVERY right to do that. The don't even have to pull him aside and discuss that. All they have to do is do it.

All they owe Melo is his contractual pay.....that is all.

Speaking for myself, no I don't expect melo to want to go anywhere just to help the Knicks get a better deal.

I honestly don't think Melo is good enough of a player at this point to even garner such a deal. he's not on his onw transforming a crappy team to anything decent....he's merely a good offensive player, who's skills are falling off, which two very high salaries left on his deal one being an opt out.

Even if a team were willing to offer something to the Knicks liking, the team likely wouldn't because melo might bounce after the season.

The Knicks so far are doing something that fans have really never seen. They seem so far to have a plan of a close real rebuild.

I also think the issue from what I'm reading is some are more interested in what happens to Melo over the progression of the Knicks. it's all too clear.

That's fine. Just openly state it, so discussions can be more honest.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

[Sark]

The same way people hate Melo for using his NTC. It was given to him and he's collecting.

Why didn't STAT retire?

No one should be mad at Melo for using his NTC. But at the same time, you shouldn't be upset if the Knicks decide to not treat him as nicely shall we say. It's not in the contract for them to do anything other than pay him. If they decide to reduce his minutes, or role, or not even play him, it's completely within their right to do so. As long as they pay him.

That's silly.

That's like saying if we don't trade him he has every right to dog it. No he doesn't

Of course he does. He's been dogging it on defense for the past 3 years. If he played up to his contract, we wouldn't be as bad as we've been. He's been playing at the value of about a $15m per year player the past few years.

Players dog it all the time, as well as play harder in contract years. That's not a new thing.

[Greenie]

I really wish folks would be honest with this. If you want Melo to have a chance to win and the Knicks to take a garbage deal to make it possible, just say so. It would really establish where your sword stands, because right now it's rather obvious from reading some of the above post...that is exactly what some are desiring. Just be honest.

That goes both ways.
People should just come out and say they want him to open up to all teams including the bad ones. The better teams in the league do not have assets worth our time unless they find a 3rd team to help facilitate it.

Again, I wonder if these same stances would be taken if KP were in Melo's place.

It's weird to me personally because it's so damn easy to see where the Knicks are coming from but not Melo? And it's the exact same stance. Melo agreeing to go a crappie team(they have the assets we want) is the same a the Knicks taking garbage for him. Neither make any sense. At all.

It really doesn't go both ways. The Knicks can very easily go into the season with Melo, and run their plans of a rebuild WITH Melo. That will include less minutes for him and games, and more playing time for their younger players.

The Knicks have EVERY right to do that. The don't even have to pull him aside and discuss that. All they have to do is do it.

All they owe Melo is his contractual pay.....that is all.

Speaking for myself, no I don't expect melo to want to go anywhere just to help the Knicks get a better deal.

I honestly don't think Melo is good enough of a player at this point to even garner such a deal. he's not on his onw transforming a crappy team to anything decent....he's merely a good offensive player, who's skills are falling off, which two very high salaries left on his deal one being an opt out.

Even if a team were willing to offer something to the Knicks liking, the team likely wouldn't because melo might bounce after the season.

The Knicks so far are doing something that fans have really never seen. They seem so far to have a plan of a close real rebuild.

I also think the issue from what I'm reading is some are more interested in what happens to Melo over the progression of the Knicks. it's all too clear.

That's fine. Just openly state it, so discussions can be more honest.

It really does for posters. People want Melo to open his list so the Knicks get more. The problem is that the teams that have assets are not good.

If you want people to say the Knicks should simply trade Melo for crap then you need people to come out and say they want Melo to open up to crap teams as well.

I already said the Knicks don't have to do **** with Melo. I've said that a million times. So I really don't know where you're going with that.

[Thugger HBC]

The Knicks have stated what their plans are. They want to rebuild, and most of their moves align that way. the true way to know for sure if this where they are going will be roster management.

The Knicks imo don't really have a starting quality SF, and Melo isn't an efficient one at this point himself, but the team has a coach that likes the two guard alignments and the possibility of having Lee and Hardaway playing together, which is a three guard set.

They have termed everything they've done so far with rebuild with youth.

The Knicks can easily play the high road, and start melo for a few minutes each quarter but quickly align into what they REALLY want to do.

[Greenie]

No one should be mad at Melo for using his NTC. But at the same time, you shouldn't be upset if the Knicks decide to not treat him as nicely shall we say. It's not in the contract for them to do anything other than pay him. If they decide to reduce his minutes, or role, or not even play him, it's completely within their right to do so. As long as they pay him.

That's silly.

That's like saying if we don't trade him he has every right to dog it. No he doesn't

Of course he does. He's been dogging it on defense for the past 3 years. If he played up to his contract, we wouldn't be as bad as we've been. He's been playing at the value of about a $15m per year player the past few years.

Players dog it all the time, as well as play harder in contract years. That's not a new thing.

You can say the same about all of the players on our roster. Melo isn't what he used to be. That's a given. He's never been a defensive player. Why did you think he was about to become one? That's on you. If Melo ends up staying here and dogs it I will be highly surprised and disappointed. He is what he is. Just like all of other players on this roster we need to accentuate his strengths while covering his weaknesses. He's still a useful and productive player. He doesn't need to be punished if he stays. He needs to be treated like all of the other players on the team.

[Sark]

Knicks aren't asking Melo to open up to crappy teams. OKC and Portland are both good playoff teams, that if they had a player like Melo could contend with GS. It's not like want to trade him to Chicago or Sacramento.

[Sark]

That's silly.

That's like saying if we don't trade him he has every right to dog it. No he doesn't

Of course he does. He's been dogging it on defense for the past 3 years. If he played up to his contract, we wouldn't be as bad as we've been. He's been playing at the value of about a $15m per year player the past few years.

Players dog it all the time, as well as play harder in contract years. That's not a new thing.

You can say the same about all of the players on our roster. Melo isn't what he used to be. That's a given. He's never been a defensive player. Why did you think he was about to become one? That's on you. If Melo ends up staying here and dogs it I will be highly surprised and disappointed. He is what he is. Just like all of other players on this roster we need to accentuate his strengths while covering his weaknesses. He's still a useful and productive player. He doesn't need to be punished if he stays. He needs to be treated like all of the other players on the team.

I do say that about other players. They dog it too. It's not specific to Melo. They are allowed to since they are not getting performance based contracts. The team is allowed to start or sit anyone that they want, including Melo. His roster spot nor playing time is guaranteed. Only the money they pay him is.

[Thugger HBC]

That goes both ways.
People should just come out and say they want him to open up to all teams including the bad ones. The better teams in the league do not have assets worth our time unless they find a 3rd team to help facilitate it.

Again, I wonder if these same stances would be taken if KP were in Melo's place.

It's weird to me personally because it's so damn easy to see where the Knicks are coming from but not Melo? And it's the exact same stance. Melo agreeing to go a crappie team(they have the assets we want) is the same a the Knicks taking garbage for him. Neither make any sense. At all.

It really doesn't go both ways. The Knicks can very easily go into the season with Melo, and run their plans of a rebuild WITH Melo. That will include less minutes for him and games, and more playing time for their younger players.

The Knicks have EVERY right to do that. The don't even have to pull him aside and discuss that. All they have to do is do it.

All they owe Melo is his contractual pay.....that is all.

Speaking for myself, no I don't expect melo to want to go anywhere just to help the Knicks get a better deal.

I honestly don't think Melo is good enough of a player at this point to even garner such a deal. he's not on his onw transforming a crappy team to anything decent....he's merely a good offensive player, who's skills are falling off, which two very high salaries left on his deal one being an opt out.

Even if a team were willing to offer something to the Knicks liking, the team likely wouldn't because melo might bounce after the season.

The Knicks so far are doing something that fans have really never seen. They seem so far to have a plan of a close real rebuild.

I also think the issue from what I'm reading is some are more interested in what happens to Melo over the progression of the Knicks. it's all too clear.

That's fine. Just openly state it, so discussions can be more honest.

It really does for posters. People want Melo to open his list so the Knicks get more. The problem is that the teams that have assets are not good.

If you want people to say the Knicks should simply trade Melo for crap then you need people to come out and say they want Melo to open up to crap teams as well.

I already said the Knicks don't have to do **** with Melo. I've said that a million times. So I really don't know where you're going with that.

greenie, there is a saying "if it aint you, then it aint you".

But as to your points, yes, I have seen posters state "he should open up his options". I think he should as well because there are some teams that might be interested that are at least on Houstons level of competitiveness. I think Pdx would be really nice with melo on it and they wouldn't have to dismantle their team to make such a move.

What I don't think will happen is those teams offering anything the Knicks want because Melo at this this stage and contract is not that good of a player anymore, and if he isn't content there can bounce after the season.

For me it's mainly the health of the Knicks going forward. Does the moves they make benefit the Knicks now and later. Players come and go, it's about the team exclusively for me.

[Greenie]

The Knicks have stated what their plans are. They want to rebuild, and most of their moves align that way. the true way to know for sure if this where they are going will be roster management.

The Knicks imo don't really have a starting quality SF, and Melo isn't an efficient one at this point himself, but the team has a coach that likes the two guard alignments and the possibility of having Lee and Hardaway playing together, which is a three guard set.

They have termed everything they've done so far with rebuild with youth.

The Knicks can easily play the high road, and start melo for a few minutes each quarter but quickly align into what they REALLY want to do.

I don't really care what the Knicks do as long as we don't do that damn Marbury stuff. That's called unnecessary drama. Simply treat him as a member of the team, but just like you said they could start him but play more 3 guard sets, they could also simply start the dude at PF and move KP to center.

We won't know until we see it right?

KP
Melo
Lee
Timmy
Sessions


All of this bench him and send him home and let him rot until he expands some list that none of us have seen rhetoric is stupid.

[Thugger HBC]

The Knicks have stated what their plans are. They want to rebuild, and most of their moves align that way. the true way to know for sure if this where they are going will be roster management.

The Knicks imo don't really have a starting quality SF, and Melo isn't an efficient one at this point himself, but the team has a coach that likes the two guard alignments and the possibility of having Lee and Hardaway playing together, which is a three guard set.

They have termed everything they've done so far with rebuild with youth.

The Knicks can easily play the high road, and start melo for a few minutes each quarter but quickly align into what they REALLY want to do.

I don't really care what the Knicks do as long as we don't do that damn Marbury stuff. That's called unnecessary drama. Simply treat him as a member of the team, but just like you said they could start him but play more 3 guard sets, they could also simply start the dude at PF and move KP to center.

We won't know until we see it right?

KP
Melo
Lee
Timmy
Sessions


All of this bench him and send him home and let him rot until he expands some list that none of us have seen rhetoric is stupid.

Or the team could move forward with the rebuild and let youth start and finish games.

Willy
KP
Timmy
Lee
Frank

I agree they shouldn't do the Marbury thing...they didn't even play him when d'antoni took over. No star player deserves that.

[Greenie]

The Knicks have stated what their plans are. They want to rebuild, and most of their moves align that way. the true way to know for sure if this where they are going will be roster management.

The Knicks imo don't really have a starting quality SF, and Melo isn't an efficient one at this point himself, but the team has a coach that likes the two guard alignments and the possibility of having Lee and Hardaway playing together, which is a three guard set.

They have termed everything they've done so far with rebuild with youth.

The Knicks can easily play the high road, and start melo for a few minutes each quarter but quickly align into what they REALLY want to do.

I don't really care what the Knicks do as long as we don't do that damn Marbury stuff. That's called unnecessary drama. Simply treat him as a member of the team, but just like you said they could start him but play more 3 guard sets, they could also simply start the dude at PF and move KP to center.

We won't know until we see it right?

KP
Melo
Lee
Timmy
Sessions


All of this bench him and send him home and let him rot until he expands some list that none of us have seen rhetoric is stupid.

Or the team could move forward with the rebuild and let youth start and finish games.

Willy
KP
Timmy
Lee
Frank

I agree they shouldn't do the Marbury thing...they didn't even play him when d'antoni took over. No star player deserves that.

If you're going young simply start Dotson.

[Thugger HBC]

I don't really care what the Knicks do as long as we don't do that damn Marbury stuff. That's called unnecessary drama. Simply treat him as a member of the team, but just like you said they could start him but play more 3 guard sets, they could also simply start the dude at PF and move KP to center.

We won't know until we see it right?

KP
Melo
Lee
Timmy
Sessions


All of this bench him and send him home and let him rot until he expands some list that none of us have seen rhetoric is stupid.

Or the team could move forward with the rebuild and let youth start and finish games.

Willy
KP
Timmy
Lee
Frank

I agree they shouldn't do the Marbury thing...they didn't even play him when d'antoni took over. No star player deserves that.

If you're going young simply start Dotson.

I see what your trying to do and that wont work. The team isn't actively looking to trade lee and has been reported they want to try Lee and Timmy together.

Try another angle.

[PeoplesChamp]

Melo has a right to exercise his NTC.

The Knicks have a right to say no to a bad trade that's only good for him.

The NTC doesn't mean the Knicks have to trade him if he wants to leave.

Mills & Perry have already put it forth. We're rebuilding with or without Melo being here. If he's here, his fans can keep buying tickets to watch him play the rest of his prime away with no real shot at winning. If he's gone, we can accelerate the rebuild.

Personally I'm fine either way. Knicks finally need a 5 year plan.

Agreed, but we have too many posters placing this on Melo as if he owes them something. He doesn't. Just like we don't owe him anything. Both parties must do what is in their best interests. BOTH. I wonder if fans would feel the same if KP was in this situation.

They want him to give up millions of dollars for the privilege of owning a ring worth thousands with no consideration to whether they would do the same. I don't blame Melo for not leaving a penny on the table. Anyone trying to convince you to take less money for anything is trying to get over on you.

Melo wants to have his cake and eat it too. It won't happen but I don't blame him for trying.

[Sark]

Once you have fame, millions of $, and are ensured of making the hof, a ring is worth more than almost anything. Players give up money all the time for the chance at a ring. His money can feed his kids and his kid's kids. It's his legacy at stake at this point.

[Capn'O]

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

Yeah. OKC in particular would be pretty bomber with him given what they would likely have to give up. Maybe even better than Houston. Portland is a better city but probably not his cup of tea.

[Knickkilla]

The Knicks have stated what their plans are. They want to rebuild, and most of their moves align that way. the true way to know for sure if this where they are going will be roster management.

The Knicks imo don't really have a starting quality SF, and Melo isn't an efficient one at this point himself, but the team has a coach that likes the two guard alignments and the possibility of having Lee and Hardaway playing together, which is a three guard set.

They have termed everything they've done so far with rebuild with youth.

The Knicks can easily play the high road, and start melo for a few minutes each quarter but quickly align into what they REALLY want to do.

Bring Mo Harkless Home!

[Greenie]

Or the team could move forward with the rebuild and let youth start and finish games.

Willy
KP
Timmy
Lee
Frank

I agree they shouldn't do the Marbury thing...they didn't even play him when d'antoni took over. No star player deserves that.

If you're going young simply start Dotson.

I see what your trying to do and that wont work. The team isn't actively looking to trade lee and has been reported they want to try Lee and Timmy together.

Try another angle.

There is no angle.
If you want to go young then go young. The Knicks say plenty of things. They were supposed to cut Melo's minutes last year. Did they? We're going with a youth movement? Sessions and Beasley are signed. Neither you or I know what they are really doing.