Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

thebuzzardman · Post #261 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:40 pm

I'm sure it's been covered, but If there is no compelling deal for Melo, then the Knicks keep him. Buying him out is dumb. There is still cap hit. He's still a good player. Another thing that Melo is at this age is a PF or a 6th man on a good team. Save's his knees, saves his legs in general. Are the Knicks a good team? No. But if they've made it clear their intent is to rebuild, and they've made a lot of the proper noises to the league that they are "Trying to accommodate Melo and trade him" then they've accomplished part of their offseason mission, which was to repair some of the PR damage Phil did in terms of other players/agents etc. Obviously, especially if you are pro-tank/youth movement, it would be good to trade Melo, IF there was a good deal. Seems like maybe there isn't. Then you keep him, play him, bring him off the bench at PF/SF for 25-30 minutes a game. KP gets the offense run more through him to help his development, Melo is still around to score.

blueNorange · Post #262 » by **blueNorange** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:11 pm

Handledatruth wrote:
blueNorange wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
Who is reducing his shots and minutes? Steve Mills? Oh wait he is not the coach. Should he be dictating our coaches rotation? You all are in for some serious disappointment if you think Hornacek is going to pull a "Marbury-D'Antoni". You think Lance Thomas is going to be our Duhon? You think KP is going to be cool with watching a Lance Thomas contested pull up with Melo regulated to the bench. Come on now...

looks like someone can't handledatruth

Are you agreeing with me?

Melo or no Melo I don't want our front office having vendettas against players exercising their contractual rights. Steve Mills was partially responsible for the NTC, so man up and take the L. Maybe he won't make the mistake of offering powerful clauses like an NTC to future contract negotiations. Stop compounding mistakes. And to be clear:

Ryan Anderson = Compounding the mistake
Keeping a salary hold on a waived player = compounding the mistake
Letting Melo play in whatever role deemed by Coach Hornacek = Taking the L and moving on from the mistake

if melo is on the team he's not the #1 option or the #2 ... maybe not even the #3 option.

if melo is on the team he's not ending games, kristaps will end games. thj will end games. willy will end games. and even frank will end games.

melo is on the team not because the knicks still want him, but because they don't want anderson.

Post #263 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:19 pm

I think this gets resolved before training camp. I really don't see the team going into to the season with Melo being a Knick.

The team is built in near entirety as a rebuilding team, most of the players are going to be developing into NBA players.

Melo really doesn't fit unless they plug him into a really reduced role.

HarthorneWingo · Post #264 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:20 pm

Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:For All you melo stans nobody wants the guy.

That says it all.

Read on Twitter

Ouch

HarthorneWingo · Post #265 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:23 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:I think this gets resolved before training camp. I really don't see the team going into to the season with Melo being a Knick.

The team is built in near entirety as a rebuilding team, most of the players are going to be developing into NBA players.

Melo really doesn't fit unless they plug him into a really reduced role.

This is exactly what Melo and Morey are counting on. That we're going to wear down and then give in and take Anderson. But I don't see that happening.

So who gives in?

Post #266 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:34 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:I think this gets resolved before training camp. I really don't see the team going into to the season with Melo being a Knick.

The team is built in near entirety as a rebuilding team, most of the players are going to be developing into NBA players.

Melo really doesn't fit unless they plug him into a really reduced role.

This is exactly what Melo and Morey are counting on. That we're going to wear down and then give in and take Anderson. But I don't see that happening.

So who gives in?

It will be so awkward. Melo just does not fit with the new regime of personnel. I doubt they take Anderson, he definitely doesn't fit the plan. It just will be very awkward having Melo on the team next season if they go full in on their plan.

blueNorange · Post #267 » by **blueNorange** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:04 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:I think this gets resolved before training camp. I really don't see the team going into to the season with Melo being a Knick.

The team is built in near entirety as a rebuilding team, most of the players are going to be developing into NBA players.

Melo really doesn't fit unless they plug him into a really reduced role.

haven't you heard? hornacek is the coach, not mills/perry ... he isn't going to disrespect melo by not making him a focal point.

god shammgod · Post #268 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:08 pm

it's the same team minus rose and add frank. half the team doesn't fit the concept of going young and rebuilding.

Sark · Post #269 » by **Sark** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:14 pm

god shammgod wrote:it's the same team minus rose and add frank. half the team doesn't fit the concept of going young and rebuilding.

Wow, Timmy is legit hurt by this post.

HarthorneWingo · Post #270 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:14 pm

god shammgod wrote:it's the same team minus rose and add frank. half the team doesn't fit the concept of going young and rebuilding.

But we're in the process of going young. #TrustTheProcess

HarthorneWingo · Post #271 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:16 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:I think this gets resolved before training camp. I really don't see the team going into to the season with Melo being a Knick.

The team is built in near entirety as a rebuilding team, most of the players are going to be developing into NBA players.

Melo really doesn't fit unless they plug him into a really reduced role.

This is exactly what Melo and Morey are counting on. That we're going to wear down and then give in and take Anderson. But I don't see that happening.

So who gives in?

It will be so awkward. Melo just does not fit with the new regime of personnel. I doubt they take Anderson, he definitely doesn't fit the plan. It just will be very awkward having Melo on the team next season if they go full in on their plan.

I think it'll awkward for Melo because he'll look like a fool playing for us out of stubbornness. We have a legitimate business reason for not agreeing to the Houston trade. He's just being plain stubborn. Yes, it's his right to do that under the contract. All that clause is doing for him is exposing his stubbornness and immaturity.

god shammgod · Post #272 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:19 pm

Sark wrote:
god shammgod wrote:it's the same team minus rose and add frank. half the team doesn't fit the concept of going young and rebuilding.

Wow, Timmy is legit hurt by this post.

yeah. forgot to mention him. i guess we will be that defensive oriented team i just read about after all.

Post #273 » by **Thugger HBC** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:21 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
This is exactly what Melo and Morey are counting on. That we're going to wear down and then give in and take Anderson. But I don't see that happening.

So who gives in?

It will be so awkward. Melo just does not fit with the new regime of personnel. I doubt they take Anderson, he definitely doesn't fit the plan. It just will be very awkward having Melo on the team next season if they go full in on their plan.

I think it'll awkward for Melo because he'll look like a fool playing for us out of stubbornness. We have a legitimate business reason for not agreeing to the Houston trade. He's just being plain stubborn. Yes, it's his right to do that under the contract. All that clause is doing for him is exposing his stubbornness and immaturity.

It's a tough sell to move him even if he did open up his options of teams. Honestly Pdx would look real good with him, but I understand the being away from family things although if he does desire Houston...he's gonna be away, just the same.

Sark · Post #274 » by **Sark** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:22 pm

If Melo goes full stubborn mode, and stays on the team the final 2 years, while missing the playoffs what 6 straight years, I could see him not getting another contract in the NBA. At 35 the only contract he might get is from Ice Cube to play in Big3. He really needs some NBA success for the sake of his career.

god shammgod · Post #275 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:23 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:it's the same team minus rose and add frank. half the team doesn't fit the concept of going young and rebuilding.

But we're in the process of going young. #TrustTheProcess

that's fine. i'm just saying. half the players don't fit this concept they're promoting. if melo is here another year it won't really matter. noah is here 3 more. lance thomas. lee. koq. this year's knicks is gonna look a lot like last year's knicks.

Post #276 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:34 pm

god shammgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:it's the same team minus rose and add frank. half the team doesn't fit the concept of going young and rebuilding.

But we're in the process of going young. #TrustTheProcess

that's fine. i'm just saying. half the players don't fit this concept they're promoting. if melo is here another year it won't really matter. noah is here 3 more. lance thomas. lee. koq. this year's knicks is gonna look a lot like last year's knicks.

I wouldn't say half. Assuming we can hopefully move melo. Knicks are going to have one of the youngest rosters in the league. Noah is not going to play. The only "older" guy that will get significant minutes is Lee and maybe sessions.

Sark · Post #277 » by **Sark** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:34 pm

It's really an odd situation tbh. I can't think of another player that wanted to stay on such a bad team for so long. I think he has the record for most All Stars without ever making the Finals. Or maybe tied. But generally at this late stage a player wants some success, at least for his legacy.

Fat · Post #278 » by **Fat** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:34 pm

Sark wrote:If Melo goes full stubborn mode, and stays on the team the final 2 years, while missing the playoffs what 6 straight years, I could see him not getting another contract in the NBA. At 35 the only contract he might get is from Ice Cube to play in Big3. He really needs some NBA success for the sake of his career.

he'll get another contract it just wont be what he's used to getting, he's aging but his skillset is still very well effective.

HarthorneWingo · Post #279 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:36 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:It will be so awkward. Melo just does not fit with the new regime of personnel. I doubt they take Anderson, he definitely doesn't fit the plan. It just will be very awkward having Melo on the team next season if they go full in on their plan.

I think it'll awkward for Melo because he'll look like a fool playing for us out of stubbornness. We have a legitimate business reason for not agreeing to the Houston trade. He's just being plain stubborn. Yes, it's his right to do that under the contract. All that clause is doing for him is exposing his stubbornness and immaturity.

It's a tough sell to move him even if he did open up his options of teams. Honestly Pdx would look real good with him, but I understand the being away from family things although if he does desire Houston...he's gonna be away, just the same.

Exactly. That whole "I need to be close to my son" stuff was an okie doke. I never believed it. He was just using that as an excuse in his quest to outlast Phil. As soon as Phil was fired, Melo was like "Yeah, I want Houston."

Besides, go to Portland or Washington or wherever is just for one year. Then he can go where he wants. But he wants to be traded to the team he wants an extension from so they can offer him another max type of agreement. C'mon. We all know Melo by now.

Sark · Post #280 » by **Sark** » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:41 pm

Nyk_Fatboy wrote:
Sark wrote:If Melo goes full stubborn mode, and stays on the team the final 2 years, while missing the playoffs what 6 straight years, I could see him not getting another contract in the NBA. At 35 the only contract he might get is from Ice Cube to play in Big3. He really needs some NBA success for the sake of his career.

he'll get another contract it just wont be what he's used to getting, he's aging but his skillset is still very well effective

Idk at 35 he's not even gonna be 6th man material. He's gonna be 9th or 10th man material. Like the backup's backup. You think he will take that role?