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Post#341 » by NewYorkPride85 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:20 pm

Handledatruth wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
You don't think Mills blatantly dictating who he should play makes his job a little harder? Remember when our president blatantly dictated what offense to use?

Just so you guys know. I want to see Jeff Hornacek succeed. I think he does a great job of motivating the young guys and I like his focus on ball movement.

When Mills gave a clear "no" to waiving Melo he left himself with two choices:
a) a garbage trade with Houston
b) to continue on with Melo on the team

So with that choice comes the highest probability that Melo will be on the team. However, Mills is going about business as if Melo is not on the team. If you want to play avoidance that is fine, but now you leave it up to Jeff Hornacek to handle it. This is unfair in my opinion. Especially when this could have ended easily with a Melo opt out at the end of the season without any of this discussion. In the end, if Jeff Hornacek gets fired at any point this season, it will be on Mills not Melo.


When did Mills dictate who to play? Where did anything say that Mills has anything to do with who played where? This never happened. It has never been insinuated either. You are discussing something that never happened.

No wonder I was confused. You're crazy! :lol: :crazy:


Interesting you would say that when other posters that have disagreed with my previous statements have said otherwise. Some have gone far enough to say that Melo will definitely be a 6th man subbing in for Courtney Lee :lol: . Anyway, outside of speculation, Mills actions and statements lean towards excluding certain players from the team moving forward, without actually doing it from a front office perspective. Thus he's relying on Jeff Hornacek to do it, and therein lies my problem.

You think Melo is going to hurt the culture of the team moving forward? Then do something to get rid of him, otherwise play nice and wait for the opt out. The latter being the more acceptable option.


Considering we are not buying Melo out and not trading him for scraps leads me to believe that they know he has value. For everyone that is harping to trade everyone now, you need to see the big picture. Last year was an abomination and all of our players suffered because we were trying to fit a triangle peg into a square hole. This year I can see them adapting to the players in order to get the most out of them and raise their value. I honestly think the FO can care less if we win or lose as long as the players "look" better, which they will by default. Melo will play, he will be featured plenty, and he will be traded at the deadline along with Lee and KOQ. Teams are usually desperate for the simple reason that they have an idea how their season is going and will make a push to improve their teams in order to get a shot at winning it or at the very least make the playoffs. As for trading Melo, it will be much easier to find that third or fourth team when all teams are motivated to make a move at the deadline whether its to buy or sell.
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Post#342 » by Handledatruth » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:30 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
When did Mills dictate who to play? Where did anything say that Mills has anything to do with who played where? This never happened. It has never been insinuated either. You are discussing something that never happened.

No wonder I was confused. You're crazy! :lol: :crazy:


Interesting you would say that when other posters that have disagreed with my previous statements have said otherwise. Some have gone far enough to say that Melo will definitely be a 6th man subbing in for Courtney Lee :lol: . Anyway, outside of speculation, Mills actions and statements lean towards excluding certain players from the team moving forward, without actually doing it from a front office perspective. Thus he's relying on Jeff Hornacek to do it, and therein lies my problem.

You think Melo is going to hurt the culture of the team moving forward? Then do something to get rid of him, otherwise play nice and wait for the opt out. The latter being the more acceptable option.


Considering we are not buying Melo out and not trading him for scraps leads me to believe that they know he has value. For everyone that is harping to trade everyone now, you need to see the big picture. Last year was an abomination and all of our players suffered because we were trying to fit a triangle peg into a square hole. This year I can see them adapting to the players in order to get the most out of them and raise their value. I honestly think the FO can care less if we win or lose as long as the players "look" better, which they will by default. Melo will play, he will be featured plenty, and he will be traded at the deadline along with Lee and KOQ. Teams are usually desperate for the simple reason that they have an idea how their season is going and will make a push to improve their teams in order to get a shot at winning it or at the very least make the playoffs. As for trading Melo, it will be much easier to find that third or fourth team when all teams are motivated to make a move at the deadline whether its to buy or sell.


I think we agree on how things should go. I've been posting in response to people that think we should go Marbury on Melo. And I also know Mills is capable of this approach since his was involved in it back then. I just want them to do it different this time. :D
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Post#343 » by NewYorkPride85 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:35 pm

Handledatruth wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
When did Mills dictate who to play? Where did anything say that Mills has anything to do with who played where? This never happened. It has never been insinuated either. You are discussing something that never happened.

No wonder I was confused. You're crazy! :lol: :crazy:


Gonna have to agree with Are We Ther Yet. Your assuming it to be the same because Jackson dictated Triangle above all else. The point you are missing is that Jackson was/still thinks he is, a coach. That's is the reason he dictated what he did. Mills is not a coach and can not dictate what to play let alone who. In other words....your reaching at something that was never there.


"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Ok...and do any of those guys play Melo's position? ....No
Who is the defensive stalwart on our team that will play Melo's position? ....Nobody
Has Mills or anyone in the front office spoken ill about Melo all offseason since Phil left? ....No

Yes they have said the want to move him publically but their actions have shown you they wont move him just for the sake of moving him. They will showcase him in an offense he is comfortable with in order to get a return at the deadline
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Post#344 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:55 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Gonna have to agree with Are We Ther Yet. Your assuming it to be the same because Jackson dictated Triangle above all else. The point you are missing is that Jackson was/still thinks he is, a coach. That's is the reason he dictated what he did. Mills is not a coach and can not dictate what to play let alone who. In other words....your reaching at something that was never there.


"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Ok...and do any of those guys play Melo's position? ....No
Who is the defensive stalwart on our team that will play Melo's position? ....Nobody
Has Mills or anyone in the front office spoken ill about Melo all offseason since Phil left? ....No

Yes they have said the want to move him publically but their actions have shown you they wont move him just for the sake of moving him. They will showcase him in an offense he is comfortable with in order to get a return at the deadline


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Post#345 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:56 pm

Handledatruth wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
You don't think Mills blatantly dictating who he should play makes his job a little harder? Remember when our president blatantly dictated what offense to use?

Just so you guys know. I want to see Jeff Hornacek succeed. I think he does a great job of motivating the young guys and I like his focus on ball movement.

When Mills gave a clear "no" to waiving Melo he left himself with two choices:
a) a garbage trade with Houston
b) to continue on with Melo on the team

So with that choice comes the highest probability that Melo will be on the team. However, Mills is going about business as if Melo is not on the team. If you want to play avoidance that is fine, but now you leave it up to Jeff Hornacek to handle it. This is unfair in my opinion. Especially when this could have ended easily with a Melo opt out at the end of the season without any of this discussion. In the end, if Jeff Hornacek gets fired at any point this season, it will be on Mills not Melo.


When did Mills dictate who to play? Where did anything say that Mills has anything to do with who played where? This never happened. It has never been insinuated either. You are discussing something that never happened.

No wonder I was confused. You're crazy! :lol: :crazy:


Interesting you would say that when other posters that have disagreed with my previous statements have said otherwise. Some have gone far enough to say that Melo will definitely be a 6th man subbing in for Courtney Lee :lol: . Anyway, outside of speculation, Mills actions and statements lean towards excluding certain players from the team moving forward, without actually doing it from a front office perspective. Thus he's relying on Jeff Hornacek to do it, and therein lies my problem.

You think Melo is going to hurt the culture of the team moving forward? Then do something to get rid of him, otherwise play nice and wait for the opt out. The latter being the more acceptable option.


Melo is only here because Melo. Mills talked about rebuilding through youth. In other words...we're not building around Melo anymore. He's on the trading block. He is only here because of his silly one team list. He never said anything about who gets playing time.

Why anyone thinks he shouldn't get and expect a limited role is what I don't get. He's only here because he refuses to leave and the last moron gave him a NTC. This is ALL on Melo now. Portland wants him. OKC. Let's go bro. Pack your bags or take half the year off. Whatever you want. The ONLY thing the Knicks have to do is pay him. Tell Houston you're not waiting around. Give them first crack and then move on. If not. Pine city. You're not needed here.
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Post#346 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:08 pm

Handledatruth wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
When did Mills dictate who to play? Where did anything say that Mills has anything to do with who played where? This never happened. It has never been insinuated either. You are discussing something that never happened.

No wonder I was confused. You're crazy! :lol: :crazy:


Gonna have to agree with Are We Ther Yet. Your assuming it to be the same because Jackson dictated Triangle above all else. The point you are missing is that Jackson was/still thinks he is, a coach. That's is the reason he dictated what he did. Mills is not a coach and can not dictate what to play let alone who. In other words....your reaching at something that was never there.


"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Where is the quote that said Melo isn't allowed to play?

I get what you're trying to say. You're wrong. No one wants Melo here. Jeff...Perry...Mills. They are moving forward. Melo doesn't fit in those plans. This is further proof that Melo is only here because he killed his own value and is continuing to do so. The team isn't obligated to "play nice". They let him know what's up. If it's Houston or nothing...this is what nothing is gonna look like. Nothing for you.

They will play him and keep him in game shape if he wants to buy into what Jeff is doing. That's all. He's not the focus and he's not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option.

I don't see you telling Melo to play nice.
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Post#347 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:19 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Gonna have to agree with Are We Ther Yet. Your assuming it to be the same because Jackson dictated Triangle above all else. The point you are missing is that Jackson was/still thinks he is, a coach. That's is the reason he dictated what he did. Mills is not a coach and can not dictate what to play let alone who. In other words....your reaching at something that was never there.


"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Ok...and do any of those guys play Melo's position? ....No
Who is the defensive stalwart on our team that will play Melo's position? ....Nobody
Has Mills or anyone in the front office spoken ill about Melo all offseason since Phil left? ....No

Yes they have said the want to move him publically but their actions have shown you they wont move him just for the sake of moving him. They will showcase him in an offense he is comfortable with in order to get a return at the deadline


They will play him less than people think. He will not be showcased. His value will only decrease with age and injury. The team isn't going to risk him getting hurt. That's the most important issue with him being here. Staying healthy for whatever trade happens.

It isn't poor treatment. It isn't punishment. It is what should be expected by anyone and everyone. It is the logical progression of these events. Melo isn't dictating what goes on here anymore. Period. Expand your list or deal with limited role.
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Post#348 » by NewYorkPride85 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:22 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Gonna have to agree with Are We Ther Yet. Your assuming it to be the same because Jackson dictated Triangle above all else. The point you are missing is that Jackson was/still thinks he is, a coach. That's is the reason he dictated what he did. Mills is not a coach and can not dictate what to play let alone who. In other words....your reaching at something that was never there.


"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Where is the quote that said Melo isn't allowed to play?

I get what you're trying to say. You're wrong. No one wants Melo here. Jeff...Perry...Mills. They are moving forward. Melo doesn't fit in those plans. This is further proof that Melo is only here because he killed his own value and is continuing to do so. The team isn't obligated to "play nice". They let him know what's up. If it's Houston or nothing...this is what nothing is gonna look like. Nothing for you.

They will play him and keep him in game shape if he wants to buy into what Jeff is doing. That's all. He's not the focus and he's not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option.

I don't see you telling Melo to play nice.


I do think that Melo will be featured to some degree. We would be shooting ourselves in the foot if we relegated him to the last option. Also, wasn't Jeff at one of Melo's training sessions at that gym? I do think unofficial mandate is to help him look better so we can get a return at the deadline. Would also make sense why he was seen working with our rookie and other players on the team.
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Post#349 » by NewYorkPride85 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:25 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Ok...and do any of those guys play Melo's position? ....No
Who is the defensive stalwart on our team that will play Melo's position? ....Nobody
Has Mills or anyone in the front office spoken ill about Melo all offseason since Phil left? ....No

Yes they have said the want to move him publically but their actions have shown you they wont move him just for the sake of moving him. They will showcase him in an offense he is comfortable with in order to get a return at the deadline


They will play him less than people think. He will not be showcased. His value will only decrease with age and injury. The team isn't going to risk him getting hurt. That's the most important issue with him being here. Staying healthy for whatever trade happens.

It isn't poor treatment. It isn't punishment. It is what should be expected by anyone and everyone. It is the logical progression of these events. Melo isn't dictating what goes on here anymore. Period. Expand your list or deal with limited role.


Ok, even if you had a point....who would be the better option at his position? As much as you say we wont utilize him, we have no other options. We sit him knowing full well he is our best option at that position then we will be made out to be even more foolish. I do agree that he won't be playing anywhere near to the minutes he did last year, but I do think he will start and play the majority of the games while he is here.

Besides, even if he were to get injured (something I would never wish on anyone, friend or foe), we still end up winning because it improves our chances in the draft. I would much rather have Melo on this team than pay to get him off the team and see him walk to another team for free, or having to take back that albatross of a contract that Houston is trying to lay on us.
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Post#350 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:32 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Where is the quote that said Melo isn't allowed to play?

I get what you're trying to say. You're wrong. No one wants Melo here. Jeff...Perry...Mills. They are moving forward. Melo doesn't fit in those plans. This is further proof that Melo is only here because he killed his own value and is continuing to do so. The team isn't obligated to "play nice". They let him know what's up. If it's Houston or nothing...this is what nothing is gonna look like. Nothing for you.

They will play him and keep him in game shape if he wants to buy into what Jeff is doing. That's all. He's not the focus and he's not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option.

I don't see you telling Melo to play nice.


I do think that Melo will be featured to some degree. We would be shooting ourselves in the foot if we relegated him to the last option. Also, wasn't Jeff at one of Melo's training sessions at that gym? I do think unofficial mandate is to help him look better so we can get a return at the deadline. Would also make sense why he was seen working with our rookie and other players on the team.


They aren't cutting him out of the rotation. He's going to work with the team until this is resolved. He's going to have to learn the "new" offense with everyone else. This is business as usual. Nothing saying they will showcase him.

People know what he can do at this point. It's not like they have a list of teams to impress. He's 32. Playing him a major role is risking killing his value altogether. If they do this...then fire everyone.
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Post#351 » by NewYorkPride85 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:32 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Ok...and do any of those guys play Melo's position? ....No
Who is the defensive stalwart on our team that will play Melo's position? ....Nobody
Has Mills or anyone in the front office spoken ill about Melo all offseason since Phil left? ....No

Yes they have said the want to move him publically but their actions have shown you they wont move him just for the sake of moving him. They will showcase him in an offense he is comfortable with in order to get a return at the deadline


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lol, until he gets hurt. Don't get me wrong, I would love for him to take Melos spot but he's just never healthy.
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Post#352 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:35 pm

NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Ok...and do any of those guys play Melo's position? ....No
Who is the defensive stalwart on our team that will play Melo's position? ....Nobody
Has Mills or anyone in the front office spoken ill about Melo all offseason since Phil left? ....No

Yes they have said the want to move him publically but their actions have shown you they wont move him just for the sake of moving him. They will showcase him in an offense he is comfortable with in order to get a return at the deadline


They will play him less than people think. He will not be showcased. His value will only decrease with age and injury. The team isn't going to risk him getting hurt. That's the most important issue with him being here. Staying healthy for whatever trade happens.

It isn't poor treatment. It isn't punishment. It is what should be expected by anyone and everyone. It is the logical progression of these events. Melo isn't dictating what goes on here anymore. Period. Expand your list or deal with limited role.


Ok, even if you had a point....who would be the better option at his position? As much as you say we wont utilize him, we have no other options. We sit him knowing full well he is our best option at that position then we will be made out to be even more foolish. I do agree that he won't be playing anywhere near to the minutes he did last year, but I do think he will start and play the majority of the games while he is here.

Besides, even if he were to get injured (something I would never wish on anyone, friend or foe), we still end up winning because it improves our chances in the draft. I would much rather have Melo on this team than pay to get him off the team and see him walk to another team for free, or having to take back that albatross of a contract that Houston is trying to lay on us.


If he gets injured...we are stuck with him. We will have to pay to trade him or rot on the bench until we finally buy him out. Not pushing him is in the best interest of the team and him.
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Post#353 » by blueNorange » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:37 pm

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Yeah agreed. Thus far it looks like Perry and Mills are using their big head instead of little head when making decisions. :lol:

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ya and they're gonna decide that melo is not going to stunt the development of the young players, yet again.


And yet apparently none of the players on the team nor players in the NBA think that Anthony stunts anyone's growth. But yes, screw all of them because you obviously know better. You yourself is thinking with the smaller head honestly.

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Post#355 » by Handledatruth » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:49 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Ok...and do any of those guys play Melo's position? ....No
Who is the defensive stalwart on our team that will play Melo's position? ....Nobody
Has Mills or anyone in the front office spoken ill about Melo all offseason since Phil left? ....No

Yes they have said the want to move him publically but their actions have shown you they wont move him just for the sake of moving him. They will showcase him in an offense he is comfortable with in order to get a return at the deadline


They will play him less than people think. He will not be showcased. His value will only decrease with age and injury. The team isn't going to risk him getting hurt. That's the most important issue with him being here. Staying healthy for whatever trade happens.

It isn't poor treatment. It isn't punishment. It is what should be expected by anyone and everyone. It is the logical progression of these events. Melo isn't dictating what goes on here anymore. Period. Expand your list or deal with limited role.


Why you call me crazy if you think this is Mill's stance? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Steve Mills have definitely taken this stance and it dictates line-up decisions to Jeff Hornacek.

This approach is wrong. Plain and simple. We've done it before and it did not work in changing the team's overall culture 10 years ago. Why would it all of a sudden work now? The definition of insanity...
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Post#356 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:00 pm

Handledatruth wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Ok...and do any of those guys play Melo's position? ....No
Who is the defensive stalwart on our team that will play Melo's position? ....Nobody
Has Mills or anyone in the front office spoken ill about Melo all offseason since Phil left? ....No

Yes they have said the want to move him publically but their actions have shown you they wont move him just for the sake of moving him. They will showcase him in an offense he is comfortable with in order to get a return at the deadline


They will play him less than people think. He will not be showcased. His value will only decrease with age and injury. The team isn't going to risk him getting hurt. That's the most important issue with him being here. Staying healthy for whatever trade happens.

It isn't poor treatment. It isn't punishment. It is what should be expected by anyone and everyone. It is the logical progression of these events. Melo isn't dictating what goes on here anymore. Period. Expand your list or deal with limited role.


Why you call me crazy if you think this is Mill's stance? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Steve Mills have definitely taken this stance and it dictates line-up decisions to Jeff Hornacek.

This approach is wrong. Plain and simple. We've done it before and it did not work in changing the team's overall culture 10 years ago. Why would it all of a sudden work now? The definition of insanity...


You're making things up dude. That's all you are doing. The TEAM is deciding to move on. Not Mills. EVERYONE. So yes...that IS the stance of Mills...Perry...Jeff. As it SHOULD be. You're trying to make a big deal out of it. That's all.

I have explained it as logically as I can. He's not part of the future. He knows it. Playing him too much is risking injury. It is taking shots away from players we're trying to develop. It is as dumb as it gets if we want to trade him. It's not punishment. It's not even a bad idea. It is what should be expected by anyone with a rational thought in their head.

Melo needs to accept it and hope Houston comes through...expand his list...or opt out. That's what everyone here should feel as well.
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Post#357 » by Handledatruth » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:12 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Handledatruth wrote:
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They will play him less than people think. He will not be showcased. His value will only decrease with age and injury. The team isn't going to risk him getting hurt. That's the most important issue with him being here. Staying healthy for whatever trade happens.

It isn't poor treatment. It isn't punishment. It is what should be expected by anyone and everyone. It is the logical progression of these events. Melo isn't dictating what goes on here anymore. Period. Expand your list or deal with limited role.


Why you call me crazy if you think this is Mill's stance? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Steve Mills have definitely taken this stance and it dictates line-up decisions to Jeff Hornacek.

This approach is wrong. Plain and simple. We've done it before and it did not work in changing the team's overall culture 10 years ago. Why would it all of a sudden work now? The definition of insanity...


You're making things up dude. That's all you are doing. The TEAM is deciding to move on. Not Mills. EVERYONE. So yes...that IS the stance of Mills...Perry...Jeff. As it SHOULD be. You're trying to make a big deal out of it. That's all.

I have explained it as logically as I can. He's not part of the future. He knows it. Playing him too much is risking injury. It is taking shots away from players we're trying to develop. It is as dumb as it gets if we want to trade him. It's not punishment. It's not even a bad idea. It is what should be expected by anyone with a rational thought in their head.

Melo needs to accept it and hope Houston comes through...expand his list...or opt out. That's what everyone here should feel as well.


Check back on this thread if Jeff Hornacek gets thrown under the bus this year. Already seeing some articles about David Blatt...

Just in case you accuse me of making things up again.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/make-or-break-season-knicks-coach-david-blatt-looming-article-1.3414340
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Post#358 » by DOT » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:46 pm

I mean, if we really wanted to, we could close out games with a lineup of Baker/THJ/Frank/KP/Willy

Frank has the size and wingspan to play 1-3, and THJ can play either wing, so it's no big deal who plays 2 and who plays 3
BaF Lakers:

Nikola Topic/Kasparas Jakucionis
VJ Edgecombe/Jrue Holiday
Shaedon Sharpe/Cedric Coward
Kyle Filipowski/Collin Murray-Boyles
Alex Sarr/Clint Capela

Bench: Malcolm Brogdon/Hansen Yang/Rocco Zikarsky/RJ Luis Jr.
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Post#359 » by Billy Goat » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:49 pm

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battabing10 wrote:
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Again my stance is the pretty simple. I think Steve Mills is putting Jeff Hornacek in an awkward situation between winning as much as possible and going young. If he wants to win as much as possible he will end up playing guys like Melo and Sessions a higher number of minutes than necessary to compliment KP, THJ, and Hermangomez. Again, it's Mills job to add or remove some of these pieces from the equation and its Jeff Hornacek's job to make it work. I understand that it's a tough situation, but I believe it is being handled somewhat poorly. Then again training camp hasn't started yet so maybe we will be out of the Melo log jam by then. However, if Mills leaves it to Jeff to resolve it, then I don't want to see any more blogs about his "vision" on basketball. Vision without corresponding activity is worthless.


If you watched their press conference it was crystal clear that the coach, the GM, and the President were on the same page as to what to do. The only concern involves how will Melo behave and how to prepare for one or several eventualities. Connected with that is how compliant Melo is and respectful of the coach's wishes.


Melo is not the wildcard here. He'll either fall in line, be traded, or get less minutes. Mills is the wild card. He's entirely capable of going off script.

And yes, I watched the press conference and was encouraged. If you actually see my posts in the press conference thread they are pretty optimistic. I am not so encouraged by some of the actions afterwards though. But again all this makes sense if Mills executes on some final moves. Otherwise he is leaving Hornacek with a roster and some potential locker room issues. Preventable things...


James Dolan is the wild card as he'll always be.
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Post#360 » by moocow007 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:55 pm

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Handledatruth wrote:
"He (Frank N), Porzingis and Hardaway, along with Hernangómez and Ron Baker, will exemplify a new defensive mindset that puts a premium on making stops. Only from there can a productive offense flow. "


Where is the quote that said Melo isn't allowed to play?

I get what you're trying to say. You're wrong. No one wants Melo here. Jeff...Perry...Mills. They are moving forward. Melo doesn't fit in those plans. This is further proof that Melo is only here because he killed his own value and is continuing to do so. The team isn't obligated to "play nice". They let him know what's up. If it's Houston or nothing...this is what nothing is gonna look like. Nothing for you.

They will play him and keep him in game shape if he wants to buy into what Jeff is doing. That's all. He's not the focus and he's not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option.

I don't see you telling Melo to play nice.


I do think that Melo will be featured to some degree. We would be shooting ourselves in the foot if we relegated him to the last option. Also, wasn't Jeff at one of Melo's training sessions at that gym? I do think unofficial mandate is to help him look better so we can get a return at the deadline. Would also make sense why he was seen working with our rookie and other players on the team.


Yeah. And honestly if the Knicks want Anthony gone and get something more than Ryan Anderson offers they would be best served for Anthony to play like Hoodie Melo when the season starts. Essentially let Anthony play himself off this team he doesn't want to be on by playing great. Sitting him as some sort of punishment for him not being LeBron or to try to get him to give up the NTC that they gave him will come off petty and childish and will most definitely not help change/improve the image of this franchise that so many people want to make better. The Knicks try any shenanigans and the media will have a field day (especially if Anthony keeps doing what he's been doing...say nothing, don't give anyone ammunition and let the Knicks bury themselves...see Phil Jackson). Beyind that, sitting Anthony is just going to further erode his value and make it even harder to move him. A productive Anthony playing with a chip on his shoulder and with a purpose will only increase his value. The goal is to move him and get as much back as possible, not to punish him for some perceived or real slight. Sometimes I think folks forget that.

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