Do you think Aaron Gordon will emerge as a breakout star this year?

[fendilim]

no. Lol

[MagicStarwipe]

Not a star. Possibly close though. As the season draws nearer I'm fearing more Vuc/Fournier ball.

[pepe1991]

He was medicore defender last year.
Other than that, he has no true basketball skills. He can't shoot, he is not much of a rebounder, medicore passer, gives you no rim protection , can't drive at rim or draw fouls and most of his offense comes from offensive rebounds, transition and garbage 50-50 balls.

His "breakout" after allstar break of last season looks much like Tobias Harris breakout year in 2012-13. We all know how that translated into winning basketball.... or lack of the same.

What you guys expect from him ? 20 ppg? He has no offensive skills to average 20 on night to night bases without 18-20 FGA to get there.

[yoyojw17]

He was medicore defender last year.
Other than that, he has no true basketball skills. He can't shoot, he is not much of a rebounder, medicore passer, gives you no rim protection , can't drive at rim or draw fouls and most of his offense comes from offensive rebounds, transition and garbage 50-50 balls.

His "breakout" after allstar break of last season looks much like Tobias Harris breakout year in 2012-13. We all know how that translated into winning basketball.... or lack of the same.

What you guys expect from him ? 20 ppg? He has no offensive skills to average 20 on night to night bases without 18-20 FGA to get there.

Well with the style of play that they had post all star game.... I don't see why he cannot. Shoot.... booker did it while shooting 42%.... and everyone praises him. lol. He just needs that uptick in touches. To be honest with you.... with a pg like payton he can do it simply by being a notch above everyone else as a pf in the strength and athletic department, and making himself available. I even expect him to hit closer to 5 ft a game with increased assertiveness.

Now.... do i think he's going to be a 20 pt scorer nexxt season..... nah.... cuz i think our team is built so that everyone will be getting a bite every night. If we don't have a super scorer.... having a team that spreads everything around evenly is a great alternative. Needless to say.... he will have career highs in pretty much every category and also I expect a boost in self confidence and begin to take a leadership role on the team.

[Patrick1978]

He was medicore defender last year.
Other than that, he has no true basketball skills. He can't shoot, he is not much of a rebounder, medicore passer, gives you no rim protection , can't drive at rim or draw fouls and most of his offense comes from offensive rebounds, transition and garbage 50-50 balls.

His "breakout" after allstar break of last season looks much like Tobias Harris breakout year in 2012-13. We all know how that translated into winning basketball.... or lack of the same.

What you guys expect from him ? 20 ppg? He has no offensive skills to average 20 on night to night bases without 18-20 FGA to get there.

Well with the style of play that they had post all star game.... I don't see why he cannot. Shoot.... booker did it while shooting 42%.... and everyone praises him. lol. He just needs that uptick in touches. To be honest with you.... with a pg like payton he can do it simply by being a notch above everyone else as a pf in the strength and athletic department, and making himself available. I even expect him to hit closer to 5 ft a game with increased assertiveness.

Now.... do i think he's going to be a 20 pt scorer nexxt season..... nah.... cuz i think our team is built so that everyone will be getting a bite every night. If we don't have a super scorer.... having a team that spreads everything around evenly is a great alternative. Needless to say.... he will have career highs in pretty much every category and also I expect a boost in self confidence and begin to take a leadership role on the team.

I agree with you and i am not surprised from pepe s post

[Bensational]

I don't think he'll be a star, but he'll definitely improve because, thankfully, everyone is over that fantasy of making him an SF. I remember me, HowardMass, and a couple of other posters were always against him at SF since he only had an advantage on offense as a PF.

I fully expect at least 16 and 7 this year from him for the full year.

I still think he's our best defender at SF. There's that cliched saying people like to throw out of "you are the position you can defend". Offensively, his skills/confidence haven't developed enough to allow him to play the same on the opposite end of the court.

But I still wish we could continue trying to develop him further on the perimeter. What was a complete waste about his time at SF was that we abandoned giving him any of the kind of offensive touches he was money at - cuts off the ball. I think a few more of those plays could've helped him get his confidence up early on in games to loosen him up. But we kinda just decided to dump the ball to him, not give him hardly any screens or picks to even help him get separation, and when he froze because he couldn't take his man off the dribble, we just decided he was never gonna be able to do it.

I don't think the book is completely closed on AG spending some time at the 3. But I'm not gonna be making a case for him to go back there.

[JF5]

He was medicore defender last year.
Other than that, he has no true basketball skills. He can't shoot, he is not much of a rebounder, medicore passer, gives you no rim protection , can't drive at rim or draw fouls and most of his offense comes from offensive rebounds, transition and garbage 50-50 balls.

His "breakout" after allstar break of last season looks much like Tobias Harris breakout year in 2012-13. We all know how that translated into winning basketball.... or lack of the same.

What you guys expect from him ? 20 ppg? He has no offensive skills to average 20 on night to night bases without 18-20 FGA to get there.

Well with the style of play that they had post all star game.... I don't see why he cannot. Shoot.... booker did it while shooting 42%.... and everyone praises him. lol. He just needs that uptick in touches. To be honest with you.... with a pg like payton he can do it simply by being a notch above everyone else as a pf in the strength and athletic department, and making himself available. I even expect him to hit closer to 5 ft a game with increased assertiveness.

Now.... do i think he's going to be a 20 pt scorer nexxt season..... nah.... cuz i think our team is built so that everyone will be getting a bite every night. If we don't have a super scorer.... having a team that spreads everything around evenly is a great alternative. Needless to say.... he will have career highs in pretty much every category and also I expect a boost in self confidence and begin to take a leadership role on the team.

Devin Booker in his 2nd season scored 20+ points a game and had multiple performances this past season where he torched teams for 20+ points in a single quarter. He also had that 70 point game (Though they ended up losing). The problem with the argument against Booker is that he's 20 turning 21 years of age putting up these performances. This guy is a flat out scorer, and to say that this guy isn't a special talent (Scoring wise at least) from what he's been able to do in his first few seasons is laughable.

Gordon on the other hand hasn't shown much to where he can earn much praise. He's an athletic guy who can play decent to good defense and that's really it. You can't compare the two...

[Def Swami]

There's not enough evidence to back up him becoming a star. I think he is what he is.

[pepe1991]

He was medicore defender last year.
Other than that, he has no true basketball skills. He can't shoot, he is not much of a rebounder, medicore passer, gives you no rim protection , can't drive at rim or draw fouls and most of his offense comes from offensive rebounds, transition and garbage 50-50 balls.

His "breakout" after allstar break of last season looks much like Tobias Harris breakout year in 2012-13. We all know how that translated into winning basketball.... or lack of the same.

What you guys expect from him ? 20 ppg? He has no offensive skills to average 20 on night to night bases without 18-20 FGA to get there.

Well with the style of play that they had post all star game.... I don't see why he cannot. Shoot.... booker did it while shooting 42%.... and everyone praises him. lol. He just needs that uptick in touches. To be honest with you.... with a pg like payton he can do it simply by being a notch above everyone else as a pf in the strength and athletic department, and making himself available. I even expect him to hit closer to 5 ft a game with increased assertiveness.

Now.... do i think he's going to be a 20 pt scorer nexxt season..... nah.... cuz i think our team is built so that everyone will be getting a bite every night. If we don't have a super scorer.... having a team that spreads everything around evenly is a great alternative. Needless to say.... he will have career highs in pretty much every category and also I expect a boost in self confidence and begin to take a leadership role on the team.

Booker (who i'm not big fan anyway) has more offensive talent than half of Magic roster togeter, Gordon included. It's so rare to see young kid at age of 20 having so much polish moves like hesitation move, crossovers, step back after a dribble or simply ability to catch i shoot despite being contested for 3 and list goes on ( look what he did to Spurs being guarded by Leonard , scored 39 against him and Green ). His running layup and floaters are better than most of veteran PGs have.

Booker averaged 22 ppg on 36% for 3, Gordon 12,7 ppg on 28% for 3. Shooting isn't about field goal percentage, it's about being treat to opponents, when people leave Gordon wide open as soon as he leaves 10 feet, other teams use their best defenders to contain and contest Bookers' shots. During post allstar period Booker averaged 26 ppg, Gordon 17. For whole season Booker averaged 10 ppg more ,yet still having same TS% and only 1,4% eFG lower . All that being one year younger, on team that didn't even try to hide tanking, having worst jumpshooting team in whole league.

Pretty much every GM and unbiased educated fan would pick Booker over Gordon going into the future. Gordon for what he showed right now is solid energy guy that will get you garbage points and play ok defense. That's literally it. He is poor rebounder for PF, poor rim protector, doesn't have much passing game and on offense simply can't shoot or attack from dribble. Most of the time, on set defense his offense is dribble with step back jumper that he misses on regular bases ( shooting 30% from 16< ,yet that didn't stop him from taking 44% of all shots from that range ).

His nba career went from hype about heing new Griffin to " that 4th guy picked after 3 stars in 2014 " in eyes of most non Magic fans around the world.
Also, going into their 4th season, as go to guys, him and Payton being faces of a team, there is still little to buzz about a team, matter of fact vegas odds set Magic right where they left off last year, being 9-11 place team at the end of a year. Like it's some sort of grand achivment to make playoffs in league where 16 out of 30 teams make it. Especially on freaking , always awful East. How much longer you want to rebuild around guys who are not worth rebuilding around ? 3 years are not enough ?

[Nemesis21]

16/7 this year, with 46-48% FG(shot 47% in '15-'16), 32-34% 3pt FG(shot 29% in '15-'16), 73-75% FT(shot 72% last season) and shows us more elite defense than we have seen in the past 2.5 seasons.

[BadMofoPimp]

He was medicore defender last year.
Other than that, he has no true basketball skills. He can't shoot, he is not much of a rebounder, medicore passer, gives you no rim protection , can't drive at rim or draw fouls and most of his offense comes from offensive rebounds, transition and garbage 50-50 balls.

His "breakout" after allstar break of last season looks much like Tobias Harris breakout year in 2012-13. We all know how that translated into winning basketball.... or lack of the same.

What you guys expect from him ? 20 ppg? He has no offensive skills to average 20 on night to night bases without 18-20 FGA to get there.

Well with the style of play that they had post all star game.... I don't see why he cannot. Shoot.... booker did it while shooting 42%.... and everyone praises him. lol. He just needs that uptick in touches. To be honest with you.... with a pg like payton he can do it simply by being a notch above everyone else as a pf in the strength and athletic department, and making himself available. I even expect him to hit closer to 5 ft a game with increased assertiveness.

Now.... do i think he's going to be a 20 pt scorer nexxt season..... nah.... cuz i think our team is built so that everyone will be getting a bite every night. If we don't have a super scorer.... having a team that spreads everything around evenly is a great alternative. Needless to say.... he will have career highs in pretty much every category and also I expect a boost in self confidence and begin to take a leadership role on the team.

Booker (who i'm not big fan anyway) has more offensive talent than half of Magic roster togeter, Gordon included. It's so rare to see young kid at age of 20 having so much polish moves like hesitation move, crossovers, step back after a dribble or simply ability to catch i shoot despite being contested for 3 and list goes on ( look what he did to Spurs being guarded by Leonard , scored 39 against him and Green ). His running layup and floaters are better than most of veteran PGs have.

Booker averaged 22 ppg on 36% for 3, Gordon 12,7 ppg on 28% for 3. Shooting isn't about field goal percentage, it's about being treat to opponents, when people leave Gordon wide open as soon as he leaves 10 feet, other teams use their best defenders to contain and contest Bookers' shots. During post allstar period Booker averaged 26 ppg, Gordon 17. For whole season Booker averaged 10 ppg more ,yet still having same TS% and only 1,4% eFG lower . All that being one year younger, on team that didn't even try to hide tanking, having worst jumpshooting team in whole league.

Pretty much every GM and unbiased educated fan would pick Booker over Gordon going into the future. Gordon for what he showed right now is solid energy guy that will get you garbage points and play ok defense. That's literally it. He is poor rebounder for PF, poor rim protector, doesn't have much passing game and on offense simply can't shoot or attack from dribble. Most of the time, on set defense his offense is dribble with step back jumper that he misses on regular bases ( shooting 30% from 16< ,yet that didn't stop him from taking 44% of all shots from that range ).

His nba career went from hype about heing new Griffin to " that 4th guy picked after 3 stars in 2014 " in eyes of most non Magic fans around the world.
Also, going into their 4th season, as go to guys, him and Payton being faces of a team, there is still little to buzz about a team, matter of fact vegas odds set Magic right where they left off last year, being 9-11 place team at the end of a year. Like it's some sort of grand achivment to make playoffs in league where 16 out of 30 teams make it. Especially on freaking , always awful East. How much longer you want to rebuild around guys who are not worth rebuilding around ? 3 years are not enough ?

Not hard to do when you are given the green light to chuck 20 shots per game. More often than not, Devin was chucking 7 for 20+ with a great game 1 out of every 5. Not saying he isn't going to be great, but he is being given the reins to chuck the ball without abandon.

[yoyojw17]

He was medicore defender last year.
Other than that, he has no true basketball skills. He can't shoot, he is not much of a rebounder, medicore passer, gives you no rim protection , can't drive at rim or draw fouls and most of his offense comes from offensive rebounds, transition and garbage 50-50 balls.

His "breakout" after allstar break of last season looks much like Tobias Harris breakout year in 2012-13. We all know how that translated into winning basketball.... or lack of the same.

What you guys expect from him ? 20 ppg? He has no offensive skills to average 20 on night to night bases without 18-20 FGA to get there.

Well with the style of play that they had post all star game.... I don't see why he cannot. Shoot.... booker did it while shooting 42%.... and everyone praises him. lol. He just needs that uptick in touches. To be honest with you.... with a pg like payton he can do it simply by being a notch above everyone else as a pf in the strength and athletic department, and making himself available. I even expect him to hit closer to 5 ft a game with increased assertiveness.

Now.... do i think he's going to be a 20 pt scorer nexxt season..... nah.... cuz i think our team is built so that everyone will be getting a bite every night. If we don't have a super scorer.... having a team that spreads everything around evenly is a great alternative. Needless to say.... he will have career highs in pretty much every category and also I expect a boost in self confidence and begin to take a leadership role on the team.

Booker (who i'm not big fan anyway) has more offensive talent than half of Magic roster togeter, Gordon included. It's so rare to see young kid at age of 20 having so much polish moves like hesitation move, crossovers, step back after a dribble or simply ability to catch i shoot despite being contested for 3 and list goes on ( look what he did to Spurs being guarded by Leonard , scored 39 against him and Green ). His running layup and floaters are better than most of veteran PGs have.

Booker averaged 22 ppg on 36% for 3, Gordon 12,7 ppg on 28% for 3. Shooting isn't about field goal percentage, it's about being treat to opponents, when people leave Gordon wide open as soon as he leaves 10 feet, other teams use their best defenders to contain and contest Bookers' shots. During post allstar period Booker averaged 26 ppg, Gordon 17. For whole season Booker averaged 10 ppg more ,yet still having same TS% and only 1,4% eFG lower . All that being one year younger, on team that didn't even try to hide tanking, having worst jumpshooting team in whole league.

Pretty much every GM and unbiased educated fan would pick Booker over Gordon going into the future. Gordon for what he showed right now is solid energy guy that will get you garbage points and play ok defense. That's literally it. He is poor rebounder for PF, poor rim protector, doesn't have much passing game and on offense simply can't shoot or attack from dribble. Most of the time, on set defense his offense is dribble with step back jumper that he misses on regular bases ( shooting 30% from 16< ,yet that didn't stop him from taking 44% of all shots from that range ).

His nba career went from hype about heing new Griffin to " that 4th guy picked after 3 stars in 2014 " in eyes of most non Magic fans around the world.
Also, going into their 4th season, as go to guys, him and Payton being faces of a team, there is still little to buzz about a team, matter of fact vegas odds set Magic right where they left off last year, being 9-11 place team at the end of a year. Like it's some sort of grand achivment to make playoffs in league where 16 out of 30 teams make it. Especially on freaking , always awful East. How much longer you want to rebuild around guys who are not worth rebuilding around ? 3 years are not enough ?

Wellllllll if you factor in Usage rate for both players.... i better hope that Bookers stats eclipses gordon's. Gordon's first 3 seasons... 15.5%, 17.3% and in his 3rd season while playing out of position finally broke the 20% barrier. Then you got booker with 23% his rookie season... which included his slow start to the year.... and 28.6% for last season which includes a second half of the season where i'm well sure that he was in breath as James Harden. SO.....If you're not scoring over 20 points a game as an offensive player.... that's a shame. Lol. 24.6 points on 19.9 shots.... uhmmmmmm..... sure. I think Devin Booker has been given every opportunity to shine brighter than gordon ever has. That experience is HUGE in many ways and is absolutely invaluable. Could go both ways.... gains confidence and experience or just cultivate bad habits.

I'm not trying to hate on Booker... but just pointing out that you can't straight lift up 1 young player and just totally dump another. Maybe this season we will see Gordon allowed to do the things he is great at....and not just asked to stand in the corner and shoot 3s which he was not ready for. Shawn Marion made a great career without stepbacks... floaters....in and out dribbles into the 3.... and that is who i liken Gordon to more than blake griffin.

Don't you guys remember Gordon in the 2015-16 Summer league.... STAR in DA making.

[NBAchamps2017]

[OrlChamps2030]

This thread is brutal on the general board. Never seen that before

The real question is: Will Vogel have the balls to eventually play AG and Isaac at the 4/5 together?

[rcklsscognition]

Better question: Do you think Aaron Gordon will be on the Orlando Magic in March 2018?

[fklt]

I think gordon is not a guy to break out but get better every season linearly.

[GatorbaitDD]

Better question: Do you think Aaron Gordon will be on the Orlando Magic in March 2018?

Agree. I think there is a better chance that he is traded by the deadline than a breakout "star" season. Definitely he can accomplish 12-15ppg and 5-7 rpg if health though.

[Patrick1978]

Better question: Do you think Aaron Gordon will be on the Orlando Magic in March 2018?

Agree. I think there is a better chance that he is traded by the deadline than a breakout "star" season. Definitely he can accomplish 12-15ppg and 5-7 rpg if health though.

Traded for markannen or portis to Chicago

[Nemesis21]

Better question: Do you think Aaron Gordon will be on the Orlando Magic in March 2018?

Agree. I think there is a better chance that he is traded by the deadline than a breakout "star" season. Definitely he can accomplish 12-15ppg and 5-7 rpg if health though.

Traded for markannen or portis to Chicago

[Patrick1978]

Agree. I think there is a better chance that he is traded by the deadline than a breakout "star" season. Definitely he can accomplish 12-15ppg and 5-7 rpg if health though.

Traded for markannen or portis to Chicago

What do you think we can get for a trade of gordon?