All Things Luka Doncic

UcanUwill · Post #621 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 10:25 am

KF10 wrote:Possible starting 5 in the near future:

De'Aaron Fox
Bogdan Bogdanović
Luka Dončić
Skal Labissière
Willie Cauley-Stein

Depth:

George Hill
Zach Randolph
Kosta Koufos
Vince Carter
Garrett Temple
Buddy Hield
Justin Jackson
Georgios Papagiannis
Harry Giles
Malachi Richardson
Frank Mason III

Europeans stashed:

Luka Mitrovic
Arturas Gudaitis

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Does Luka Dončić fit with the Kings?

With these bigs, I think he really fits. Just not sure how well he fits with Fox, I am not very familiar with his game. Hill on the other hand fits very well. I also not sure Bogdan will be starter material, but we will see.
Wouldn't count on Mitrovic ever being NBA material. Gudaitis could be.

narcolepsy · Post #622 » by **narcolepsy** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 2:41 pm

Bogdan is for sure starter material.

Post #623 » by **KF10** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 6:08 pm

Fox is a lighting quick point guard that likes to set up his teammates in good spots. Similar to John Wall, imo. Fox has a suspect jump shot but I believe he can get better at it once he works on it with NBA level training.

George Hill is the starting PG until Fox beats him for his spot.

Can Dončić share point guard responsibilities with another player? Or does he need the ball in his hands all the time?

About 7-8 years ago, another Slovenian player played for the Kings, Beno Udrih. And he worked well with a ball dominant and suspect jumper player in Tyreke Evans. Im not comparing Beno to Luka, game-wise. I'm comparing that we had a prominent player from Slovenia and he did well in Sacramento.

SportsGuy8 · Post #624 » by **SportsGuy8** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 8:39 pm

KF10 wrote:Fox is a lighting quick point guard that likes to set up his teammates in good spots. Similar to John Wall, imo. Fox has a suspect jump shot but I believe he can get better at it once he works on it with NBA level training.

George Hill is the starting PG until Fox beats him for his spot.

Can Dončić share point guard responsibilities with another player? Or does he need the ball in his hands all the time?

Hill would actually be a nice fit with Doncic, as UcanUwill pointed out.

Sure, Doncic can share point guard responsibilities, but can Fox? This is a problem with bad shooters, they become a huge liability off the ball. Take Rubio, for example. Maybe that wasn't as important in the past, but in today's NBA it is.

KF10 wrote:About 7-8 years ago, another Slovenian player played for the Kings, Beno Udrih. And he worked well with a ball dominant and suspect jumper player in Tyreke Evans. Im not comparing Beno to Luka, game-wise. I'm comparing that we had a prominent player from Slovenia and he did well in Sacramento.

Post #625 » by **KF10** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 9:09 pm

SportsGuy8 wrote:
KF10 wrote:Fox is a lighting quick point guard that likes to set up his teammates in good spots. Similar to John Wall, imo. Fox has a suspect jump shot but I believe he can get better at it once he works on it with NBA level training.

George Hill is the starting PG until Fox beats him for his spot.

Can Dončić share point guard responsibilities with another player? Or does he need the ball in his hands all the time?

Hill would actually be a nice fit with Doncic, as UcanUwill pointed out.

Sure, Doncic can share point guard responsibilities, but can Fox? This is a problem with bad shooters, they become a huge liability off the ball. Take Rubio, for example. Maybe that wasn't as important in the past, but in today's NBA it is.
KF10 wrote:About 7-8 years ago, another Slovenian player played for the Kings, Beno Udrih. And he worked well with a ball dominant and suspect jumper player in Tyreke Evans. Im not comparing Beno to Luka, game-wise. I'm comparing that we had a prominent player from Slovenia and he did well in Sacramento.

What's wrong with Beno, lol? He had a good stint with the Kings. He averaged 12 ppg // 3 rpg // 5 apg and shot the ball well in his 4 years with Sacramento.

Anyways, you bring up a good point. Can Fox play alongside with Dončić? I'm not sure. Like you mentioned in your post, Fox is a poor shooter and him being an off-ball threat won't be exactly great. It all depends if Fox can hit his jump shot at a good rate.

Juree93 · Post #626 » by **Juree93** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 9:16 pm

Spoiler:

he might be good player but i wouldnt call him Slovenian

Anthony Randolph played more games for Slovenian NT than Udrih

SportsGuy8 · Post #627 » by **SportsGuy8** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 9:19 pm

KF10 wrote:
SportsGuy8 wrote:
KF10 wrote:Fox is a lighting quick point guard that likes to set up his teammates in good spots. Similar to John Wall, imo. Fox has a suspect jump shot but I believe he can get better at it once he works on it with NBA level training.

George Hill is the starting PG until Fox beats him for his spot.

Can Dončić share point guard responsibilities with another player? Or does he need the ball in his hands all the time?

Hill would actually be a nice fit with Doncic, as UcanUwill pointed out.

Sure, Doncic can share point guard responsibilities, but can Fox? This is a problem with bad shooters, they become a huge liability off the ball. Take Rubio, for example. Maybe that wasn't as important in the past, but in today's NBA it is.
KF10 wrote:About 7-8 years ago, another Slovenian player played for the Kings, Beno Udrih. And he worked well with a ball dominant and suspect jumper player in Tyreke Evans. Im not comparing Beno to Luka, game-wise. I'm comparing that we had a prominent player from Slovenia and he did well in Sacramento.

What's wrong with Beno, lol? He had a good stint with the Kings. He averaged 12 ppg // 3 rpg // 5 apg and shot the ball well in his 4 years with Sacramento.

Anyways, you bring up a good point. Can Fox play alongside with Dončić? I'm not sure. Like you mentioned in your post, Fox is a poor shooter and him being an off-ball threat won't be exactly great. It all depends if Fox can hit his jump shot at a good rate.

Not just any jump shot, it has to be threes. Mid-range shooting off the ball players clog the floor.

Yes, Beno was decent, but those teams were rather bad for the most part. Personally I wouldn't be able to use that word for him ...

SportsGuy8 · Post #628 » by **SportsGuy8** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 9:25 pm

Juree93 wrote:
Spoiler:
KF10 wrote:
SportsGuy8 wrote:Hill would actually be a nice fit with Doncic, as UcanUwill pointed out.

Sure, Doncic can share point guard responsibilities, but can Fox? This is a problem with bad shooters, they become a huge liability off the ball. Take Rubio, for example. Maybe that wasn't as important in the past, but in today's NBA it is.

What's wrong with Beno, lol? He had a good stint with the Kings. He averaged 12 ppg // 3 rpg // 5 apg and shot the ball well in his 4 years with Sacramento.

Anyways, you bring up a good point. Can Fox play alongside with Dončić? I'm not sure. Like you mentioned in your post, Fox is a poor shooter and him being an off-ball threat won't be exactly great. It all depends if Fox can hit his jump shot at a good rate.

he might be good player but i wouldnt call him Slovenian Anthony Randolph played more games for Slovenian NT than Udrih

That doesn't make Udrih any less Slovenian and/or Randolph any more Slovenian.

It's just a stupid trivial game (that we LOVE) of putting balls in hoops.

Besides, the whole "national pride" thing simply shows that humanity is still at a very primitive stage. Because we're primitive creatures we have a primitive need to always be a part of some group/gang and that's what national identity, pride is all about.

XTraderXL · Post #629 » by **XTraderXL** » Mon Sep 4, 2017 10:02 pm

@Juree
Apparently you dont know what was going on between Beno and Slovenian Federation. If you did, you wouldnt be saying bull like this. Sometimes its better to have facts before you write something stupid like you just did...

Post #630 » by **Marcus** » Tue Sep 5, 2017 5:24 am

Y'all get taken off track sooooo easily.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #631 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 3:03 am

Doncic looking human in the tournament, I think his game against Croatia created high expectations.

Rn5ho · Post #632 » by **Rn5ho** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 7:53 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Doncic looking human in the tournament, I think his game against Croatia created high expectations.

His shots are not falling, but this doesn't worry me at all. He's trying too much to meet the expectations, but the matter of fact is that anything under 20/8/6 (ish) is considered "sub-par" by people. He's still an 18 y/o playing 1st major tournament against the best players of Europe. His teammates are also sub-par offensively, the amount of open shots he created for them and they failed to capitalize.. crazy, he'd deserve way higher assists number.

Still, he's 13.5/7/3.5 which is a really decent number! He's also shooting 39% from the field and if he had his usual %'s, he'd also have higher PPG. I'm personally happy with his performances and expect some more really good ones. Today already is a really good chance to show up against France.

SportsGuy8 · Post #633 » by **SportsGuy8** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 8:58 am

Yeah and that's on 29mpg. That's like 16.8/8.7/4.3 per36, while shooting badly and teammates missing open shots he creates for them.

He's pretty much doing as I expected. Tonight's going to be a big test, though, against athletic Frenchmen.

XTraderXL · Post #634 » by **XTraderXL** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 9:56 am

His assist number would be much higher on a better team. Against Greece his team mates missed at least 3 easy layups which were created by Doncic. I am not even counting open shots which Slovenia just cant seem to hit. On a better team, he would have double the assists.

He is playing OK, nothing special but that was to be expected with Dragic on the team. I would expect similar numbers with higher assist average on Real this year if Llull was healthy but now that he is gone, I think he will be scoring more.

As for the game today, the only chance Slovenia has of beating France is if Luka plays well and scores 15+. Slovenia just doesnt have enough offensive weapons so Doncic has to play well in order for them to win. Dragic is expected to do what he does, he says he is feeling good but there is nobody else than Luka that can score consistently or create something on offense. Randolph has been pretty bad on offense, he cant hit open shots the whole tournament so its not very likely he will start making them all of the sudden.

It should be an interesting game, both teams will want to win and I think today we will see for the first time where both teams could rank. Right now Spain is clearly the favorite but after that everything is wide open.

Derento · Post #635 » by **Derento** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 9:57 am

Who's Doncic going to defend against France? Fournier?Diaw?

Rn5ho · Post #636 » by **Rn5ho** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 10:48 am

Diaw I really doubt as physically they're just a huge mismatch, 15kg difference and Diaw plays PF I believe? So Muric/Randolph are likely gonna take him. Doncic on Fournier or de Colo is what I'd expect.

pacersGM · Post #637 » by **pacersGM** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 11:37 am

probably doncic / de colo

dragic / heurtel

fournier / blazic, cancar, prepelic if his 3s are falling

muric, randolph / diaw

vidmar / lauvergne

SportsGuy8 · Post #638 » by **SportsGuy8** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 11:44 am

XTraderXL wrote:His assist number would be much higher on a better team. Against Greece his team mates missed at least 3 easy layups which were created by Doncic. I am not even counting open shots which Slovenia just cant seem to hit. On a better team, he would have double the assists.

He is playing OK, nothing special but that was to be expected with Dragic on the team. I would expect similar numbers with higher assist average on Real this year if Llull was healthy but now that he is gone, I think he will be scoring more.

As for the game today, the only chance Slovenia has of beating France is if Luka plays well and scores 15+. Slovenia just doesnt have enough offensive weapons so Doncic has to play well in order for them to win. Dragic is expected to do what he does, he says he is feeling good but there is nobody else than Luka that can score consistently or create something on offense. Randolph has been pretty bad on offense, he cant hit open shots the whole tournament so its not very likely he will start making them all of the sudden.

It should be an interesting game, both teams will want to win and I think today we will see for the first time where both teams could rank. Right now Spain is clearly the favorite but after that everything is wide open.

Yeah. The problem is that Slovenia plays a very simple P'n'R dominated game, basically creating everything from what individuals make out of P'n'R's. This is obviously very suited for someone like Dragic and also Doncic (although slightly less), but terrible for pretty much everyone else, because they're not talented enough.

This type of "system" really isn't good for FIBA.

SportsGuy8 · Post #639 » by **SportsGuy8** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 12:34 pm

It looks like it's good vs. France, though, ha ha. At least for now.

A very good 1st half for Doncic, 10 points on 4/8 shooting, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, playing vs. the type of defense he's going to play against in the NBA (just SLIGHTLY less athletic).

XTraderXL · Post #640 » by **XTraderXL** » Wed Sep 6, 2017 12:39 pm

Just found out Luka is playing sick for the past 2 days. His father said that he has fever and is not at 100%.