KGboss wrote:iTalkToTheLord wrote:One thing being overlooked here is Smart should clearly be in the top 100 over guys like Lou Williams and Elfrid Payton.
I believe Smart is #64
He is, on ESPNs list. Unranked on SI's.
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KGboss wrote:iTalkToTheLord wrote:One thing being overlooked here is Smart should clearly be in the top 100 over guys like Lou Williams and Elfrid Payton.
I believe Smart is #64
iTalkToTheLord wrote:KGboss wrote:iTalkToTheLord wrote:One thing being overlooked here is Smart should clearly be in the top 100 over guys like Lou Williams and Elfrid Payton.
I believe Smart is #64
He is, on ESPNs list. Unranked on SI's.
Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
PierceFan4ever wrote:Jakeopp wrote:PierceFan4ever wrote:Can someone tell me in what ways is Damien Lillard or Mike overrated Conley better than Kyrie??
Damian Lillard has proven he can lead a team and run an offense more than Kyrie at this point, very similar players though. Kyrie has a lot to prove this year, I'm fine with people ranking him lower than I personally would.
As for Conley, he's more efficient, better at running an offense/passing/defense. Not saying that I agree with SI's conclusion, just that he does have advantages over Kyrie.
Kyrie was young. Lillard proves he can carry a team alongside CJ McCollum to low 40 win seasons and getting bounced in 4-5 games in the first round. Kyrie has shown a lot more than Lillard ever has in big games. And no before anyone brings up Lebron, Kyrie was dropping 30-40 purely on isolation plays against teams like the Warriors. Mike Conley is someone who I always found overrated, he has some advantages over Kyrie for sure like defense but he to me is a safe player where you can't count on him to have huge offensive games to help push a team over. He's a solid all star at best imo, not someone who is a top 15-20 player in this league.
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Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
KGboss wrote:But how do guys like Simmons and Fultz make the list when they have yet to play a single game?
Froob wrote:I want to see somebody with a straight face say they prefer Kyle Lowry to Kyrie Irving in the playoffs.
akhan786 wrote:Which is why Kyrie had to leave. People can't mentally separate how good he is from Lebron because most people didn't watch the Cavs until Bron came back.
There aren't 5 players in the league I'd rather have in the Finals let alone 20.
Kolkmania wrote:akhan786 wrote:Which is why Kyrie had to leave. People can't mentally separate how good he is from Lebron because most people didn't watch the Cavs until Bron came back.
There aren't 5 players in the league I'd rather have in the Finals let alone 20.
LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Curry, James Harden, Chris Paul, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, Paul George, John Wall, Gordon Hayward and Anthony Davis are the names on top of my head.
Can't imagine that the consensus here thinks that Kyrie is better than the list above right now(!), again the emphasis on right now, not multiple years from now.
There are debatable ones like Mike Conley, Marc Gasol, Klay Thompson and Rudy Gobert who I personally value higher, two-way players who have value on both sides on the court. Next is a whole crop of PG's who are really similar in their offensive impact (Irving, Thomas, Lowry, Lillard, Walker) and other one-way players (Cousins, Jokic and KAT).
threrf23 wrote:Froob wrote:I want to see somebody with a straight face say they prefer Kyle Lowry to Kyrie Irving in the playoffs.
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Agree with most of the comments here. There is a killer instinct that Kyle brings every second he's on the court that Kyrie doesn't.
Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
Kolkmania wrote:akhan786 wrote:Which is why Kyrie had to leave. People can't mentally separate how good he is from Lebron because most people didn't watch the Cavs until Bron came back.
There aren't 5 players in the league I'd rather have in the Finals let alone 20.
LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Curry, James Harden, Chris Paul, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, Paul George, John Wall, Gordon Hayward and Anthony Davis are the names on top of my head.
Can't imagine that the consensus here thinks that Kyrie is better than the list above right now(!), again the emphasis on right now, not multiple years from now.
There are debatable ones like Mike Conley, Marc Gasol, Klay Thompson and Rudy Gobert who I personally value higher, two-way players who have value on both sides on the court. Next is a whole crop of PG's who are really similar in their offensive impact (Irving, Thomas, Lowry, Lillard, Walker) and other one-way players (Cousins, Jokic and KAT).
Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.