Political Roundtable Part XV

[stilldropin20]

Americans pay the most in the world for healthcare that ranks behind the rest of the developed world. Yet you want to keep the status quo instead of implementing the same systems that have worked in other countries with cheaper and better healthcare. Like a wise man once said "What the hell have you got to lose?"

we also pay among the highest rates for legal, for education by a large margin, for TV's, top 5 in real estate (tokyo, london among a few others are higher). we pay more for concerts, sporting events, internet service, for a tow truck, for food, for drinks at a trendy bar. and on and on and on.

its called capitalism.

Average house price in USA $368K Canada $378K USD Vancouver & Toronto both have higher house prices than NYC medium house price Chicago $189K
Best cities in world to live in Vancouver 5th,Toronto 16th, Ottawa 18th + 3 Cities in Australia + 1 in New Zealand none in USA Montreal came in at 23rd and 1st American City San Francisco at 29th
Best Countries in World Canada #2...USA #8 Best Countries in the World to live Canada #1.... USA not top 10
Countries with highest incomes USA 8th note Canada 11th
University Tuition Fees $92K USA and Canada $24K USD in Ontario which is highest in Canada
Best Educated Countries in the World Canada #1 USA #7
Sporting Events believe Raptors, Blue Jays and NHL teams have higher than average ticket prices
USA spends the least on food with 6.4% of income Canada spends 9.1%
The rest are a laugh

that is a complete joke of a post.

yes canada is equally expensive. as is anything in london, tokyo and at least 10 other places in the world. capitalism, free market, even corruption? poor policy? perhaps just the cost of doing business in an advanced society? call it whatever you want. they all play a role to some degree.

the point is that one way or another americans pay a lot for nearly anything and everything.

so why is it a surprise that we also pay so much for healthcare? see???? that's the point of my post. you didn't deal with the point of my post at all. you simply built a straw man and knocked it down to distract from the boring obvious truth. we pay a lot for everything. not sure why healthcare should be different?

oh!!! i get it. tying it all together. its OK for Apple corp. to have $300 Billion in cash reserves right now but not Blue cross blue shield!!?? why not? why can apple, mcsf, google, and everyone else get rich and blue cross cant? Engineers get to make money, 100s of millions but doctors cant??? blue cross should discount themselves? and Doctors should too? lol

you guys are a joke. pulling your own damn chains all day long in a massive circle jerk where you argue no points successfully instead, just splooge on each others faces and congratulate each other on how big the last load was.

point stands. everything is expensive. healthcare is too. no matter how much you circle jerk away.

[montestewart]

STD, put down the crack pipe and slowly back away

[cammac]

we also pay among the highest rates for legal, for education by a large margin, for TV's, top 5 in real estate (tokyo, london among a few others are higher). we pay more for concerts, sporting events, internet service, for a tow truck, for food, for drinks at a trendy bar. and on and on and on.

its called capitalism.

Average house price in USA $368K Canada $378K USD Vancouver & Toronto both have higher house prices than NYC medium house price Chicago $189K
Best cities in world to live in Vancouver 5th,Toronto 16th, Ottawa 18th + 3 Cities in Australia + 1 in New Zealand none in USA Montreal came in at 23rd and 1st American City San Francisco at 29th
Best Countries in World Canada #2...USA #8 Best Countries in the World to live Canada #1.... USA not top 10
Countries with highest incomes USA 8th note Canada 11th
University Tuition Fees $92K USA and Canada $24K USD in Ontario which is highest in Canada
Best Educated Countries in the World Canada #1 USA #7
Sporting Events believe Raptors, Blue Jays and NHL teams have higher than average ticket prices
USA spends the least on food with 6.4% of income Canada spends 9.1%
The rest are a laugh

that is a complete joke of a post.

yes canada is equally expensive. as is anything in london, tokyo and at least 10 other places in the world. capitalism, free market, even corruption? poor policy? perhaps just the cost of doing business in an advanced society? call it whatever you want. they all play a role to some degree.

the point is that one way or another americans pay a lot for nearly anything and everything.

so why is it a surprise that we also pay so much for healthcare? see???? that's the point of my post. you didn't deal with the point of my post at all. you simply built a straw man and knocked it down to distract from the boring obvious truth. we pay a lot for everything. not sure why healthcare should be different?

oh!!! i get it. tying it all together. its OK for Apple corp. to have $300 Billion in cash reserves right now but not Blue cross blue shield!!?? why not? why can apple, mcsf, google, and everyone else get rich and blue cross cant? Engineers get to make money, 100s of millions but doctors cant??? blue cross should discount themselves? and Doctors should too? lol

you guys are a joke. pulling your own damn chains all day long in a massive circle jerk where you argue no points successfully instead, just splooge on each others faces and congratulate each other on how big the last load was.

point stands. everything is expensive. healthcare is too. no matter how much you circle jerk away.

SD20
The healthcare industry is the most profitable business in USA @ 21%
In every other advanced democracy health care is nonprofit and 100% of the people are covered.
The USA is a corrupt country ranking 23rd in the world and likely much worse since Trump arrived on the scene.
I suggest you get out of the USA see the world how other societies work I know living over 1/2 my adult life outside of Canada has been a benefit.
You know so little about the world

[JWizmentality]

we also pay among the highest rates for legal, for education by a large margin, for TV's, top 5 in real estate (tokyo, london among a few others are higher). we pay more for concerts, sporting events, internet service, for a tow truck, for food, for drinks at a trendy bar. and on and on and on.

its called capitalism.

Average house price in USA $368K Canada $378K USD Vancouver & Toronto both have higher house prices than NYC medium house price Chicago $189K
Best cities in world to live in Vancouver 5th,Toronto 16th, Ottawa 18th + 3 Cities in Australia + 1 in New Zealand none in USA Montreal came in at 23rd and 1st American City San Francisco at 29th
Best Countries in World Canada #2...USA #8 Best Countries in the World to live Canada #1.... USA not top 10
Countries with highest incomes USA 8th note Canada 11th
University Tuition Fees $92K USA and Canada $24K USD in Ontario which is highest in Canada
Best Educated Countries in the World Canada #1 USA #7
Sporting Events believe Raptors, Blue Jays and NHL teams have higher than average ticket prices
USA spends the least on food with 6.4% of income Canada spends 9.1%
The rest are a laugh

that is a complete joke of a post.

yes canada is equally expensive. as is anything in london, tokyo and at least 10 other places in the world. capitalism, free market, even corruption? poor policy? perhaps just the cost of doing business in an advanced society? call it whatever you want. they all play a role to some degree.

the point is that one way or another americans pay a lot for nearly anything and everything.

so why is it a surprise that we also pay so much for healthcare? see???? that's the point of my post. you didn't deal with the point of my post at all. you simply built a straw man and knocked it down to distract from the boring obvious truth. we pay a lot for everything. not sure why healthcare should be different?

oh!!! i get it. tying it all together. its OK for Apple corp. to have $300 Billion in cash reserves right now but not Blue cross blue shield!!?? why not? why can apple, mcsf, google, and everyone else get rich and blue cross cant? Engineers get to make money, 100s of millions but doctors cant??? blue cross should discount themselves? and Doctors should too? lol

you guys are a joke. pulling your own damn chains all day long in a massive circle jerk where you argue no points successfully instead, just splooge on each others faces and congratulate each other on how big the last load was.

point stands. everything is expensive. healthcare is too. no matter how much you circle jerk away.

Grow up.

[stilldropin20]

alright: i've been discussing the "money supply" ad nauseum.

true economic strangulation is just getting underway in North Korea. In theory this will severely restrict the money supply at both the highest governmental level and will also be felt down to the wealthy and poorest citizens of North Korea. The end game here is revolt. To strangle the state and local economies so much that peace is disturbed bringing the eventual regime change from within. or enough "revolt" from within that when nato forces enter the country (first with our own propoganda) that we are "more welcomed" if not welcomed outright.

This proves will prove many things:

1. world peace is controlled by fluctuation in the money supply. Ie bankers control the world.
2. Human being will eventually act on no higher "order" than animals in the jungle when you starve them enough.

we shall see. for the record, I am opposed to this type economic pressure. I believe rogue nations have been permitted to exist by actual humanitarians of the world. even though much evil occurs, the end game of rogue nations is a counter balance to central bankers running every single corner of the globe.

but I'm guessing the bankers win this "war" too. regime change within 10 years. BIS central banks implemented. Rinse and repeat.

here's a fun game for you. Go look up where the last countries in the world to have BIS central banks implemented. then compare the instillations of BIS central banking systems after that conflict. Those 2 always go hand in hand. just Like the sith Lords. never one without the other.

[stilldropin20]

Average house price in USA $368K Canada $378K USD Vancouver & Toronto both have higher house prices than NYC medium house price Chicago $189K
Best cities in world to live in Vancouver 5th,Toronto 16th, Ottawa 18th + 3 Cities in Australia + 1 in New Zealand none in USA Montreal came in at 23rd and 1st American City San Francisco at 29th
Best Countries in World Canada #2...USA #8 Best Countries in the World to live Canada #1.... USA not top 10
Countries with highest incomes USA 8th note Canada 11th
University Tuition Fees $92K USA and Canada $24K USD in Ontario which is highest in Canada
Best Educated Countries in the World Canada #1 USA #7
Sporting Events believe Raptors, Blue Jays and NHL teams have higher than average ticket prices
USA spends the least on food with 6.4% of income Canada spends 9.1%
The rest are a laugh

that is a complete joke of a post.

yes canada is equally expensive. as is anything in london, tokyo and at least 10 other places in the world. capitalism, free market, even corruption? poor policy? perhaps just the cost of doing business in an advanced society? call it whatever you want. they all play a role to some degree.

the point is that one way or another americans pay a lot for nearly anything and everything.

so why is it a surprise that we also pay so much for healthcare? see???? that's the point of my post. you didn't deal with the point of my post at all. you simply built a straw man and knocked it down to distract from the boring obvious truth. we pay a lot for everything. not sure why healthcare should be different?

oh!!! i get it. tying it all together. its OK for Apple corp. to have $300 Billion in cash reserves right now but not Blue cross blue shield!!?? why not? why can apple, mcsf, google, and everyone else get rich and blue cross cant? Engineers get to make money, 100s of millions but doctors cant??? blue cross should discount themselves? and Doctors should too? lol

you guys are a joke. pulling your own damn chains all day long in a massive circle jerk where you argue no points successfully instead, just splooge on each others faces and congratulate each other on how big the last load was.

point stands. everything is expensive. healthcare is too. no matter how much you circle jerk away.

SD20
The healthcare industry is the most profitable business in USA @ 21%
In every other advanced democracy health care is nonprofit and 100% of the people are covered.
The USA is a corrupt country ranking 23rd in the world and likely much worse since Trump arrived on the scene.
I suggest you get out of the USA see the world how other societies work I know living over 1/2 my adult life outside of Canada has been a benefit.
You know so little about the world

"nonprofit" is a myth. we talked about this for at least 4-5 pages in regards to tax shelters for the wealthy. no evidence was brought forth to demonstrate "non-profits" dont profit in some way shape or form. Usually remarkably. when money is involved someone is always spending and someone is always reaping profits. You must accept this for it is the way of the world no matter how good the press releases read.

[Ruzious]

SD, I suggested it before to you, and I'll do it again. Get on the Board of a couple of non-profits, and get some real-life experience of what non-profits do. Instead of teaching us - as fulfilling as that must be, you can learn something.

[montestewart]

They say to teach is to learn twice, but sometimes I wonder.

[Wizardspride]

SD20 accused me (and another poster) of being part of the problem because we said this country has a long way to go in terms of race relations.

SD20 implied that we were at fault for even discussing it. At least that's how I interpreted his comments.

Well people like this are why I feel the way I do.

HOFer Mike Ditka.

The man was born in 1939.....

And the really baffling thing is I'm sure they're folks out there who share his sentiment.

(And yes, I'm pretty sure the majority of them are Trump supporters.)

Read on Twitter

[cammac]

SD20 is a potpourri of contradictions but basically he seems to have a mantra of self congratulation without a social consciousness and totally impractical views on the economy and social issues. Is that you Donald?????

[dobrojim]

I'm curious whether public teachers, union and other federal, state and municipal employees would support single payer given they already have good insurance?

Yes. Because I believe it is the right thing to do.

Single payer won't eliminate for profit insurance for those who desire and have the
wherewithal to afford more.

[dobrojim]

SD, I suggested it before to you, and I'll do it again. Get on the Board of a couple of non-profits, and get some real-life experience of what non-profits do. Instead of teaching us - as fulfilling as that must be, you can learn something.

seek first to understand, then to be understood

[Pointgod]

SD, I suggested it before to you, and I'll do it again. Get on the Board of a couple of non-profits, and get some real-life experience of what non-profits do. Instead of teaching us - as fulfilling as that must be, you can learn something.

Or alternatively he could just read about how Universal healthcare works in the rest of the developed world. You know since he's big on learning and all.

[Pointgod]

SD20 accused me (and another poster) of being part of the problem because we said this country has a long way to go in terms of race relations.

SD20 implied that we were at fault for even discussing it. At least that's how I interpreted his comments.

Well people like this are why I feel the way I do.

HOFer Mike Ditka.

The man was born in 1939.....

And the really baffling thing is I'm sure they're folks out there who share his sentiment.

(And yes, I'm pretty sure the majority of them are Trump supporters.)

Read on Twitter

More like Mike **** amirite? Seriously though why doesn't anyone point out to these morons that they are free to leave the country if they don't like people talking about racial injustice.

[cammac]

I'm curious whether public teachers, union and other federal, state and municipal employees would support single payer given they already have good insurance?

Yes. Because I believe it is the right thing to do.

Single payer won't eliminate for profit insurance for those who desire and have the
wherewithal to afford more.

A single payer system covers everyone whether rich or poor for the majority of medical needs without deductible. Insurance can be purchased from private companies for drugs (under 65), dental, private hospital rooms, travel health insurance and a few other procedures.

[dobrojim]

I understand that. My understanding was that additional insurance was used to
expedite treatment or to see a preferred doctor that they might not otherwise
be able to see.

[cammac]

I understand that. My understanding was that additional insurance was used to
expedite treatment or to see a preferred doctor that they might not otherwise
be able to see.

Usually you can get the specialist you want.
If you want expedited treatment I'm sure you could get it but not covered by any insurance that I know.
Some Canadians do go to the USA but at there cost for expedited treatments.

[popper]

I'm curious whether public teachers, union and other federal, state and municipal employees would support single payer given they already have good insurance?

Yes. Because I believe it is the right thing to do.

Single payer won't eliminate for profit insurance for those who desire and have the
wherewithal to afford more.

A single payer system covers everyone whether rich or poor for the majority of medical needs without deductible. Insurance can be purchased from private companies for drugs (under 65), dental, private hospital rooms, travel health insurance and a few other procedures.

I'm skeptical that millions of federal, state and municipal employees would give up their outstanding and heavily subsidized health insurance in return for higher taxes and a lesser health product. I may be missing something though so please educate me.

[cammac]

Yes. Because I believe it is the right thing to do.

Single payer won't eliminate for profit insurance for those who desire and have the
wherewithal to afford more.

A single payer system covers everyone whether rich or poor for the majority of medical needs without deductible. Insurance can be purchased from private companies for drugs (under 65), dental, private hospital rooms, travel health insurance and a few other procedures.

I'm skeptical that millions of federal, state and municipal employees would give up their outstanding and heavily subsidized health insurance in return for higher taxes and a lesser health product. I may be missing something though so please educate me.

What is hard to comprehend? They will get solid basic coverage on the vast majority of healthcare issues and yes they can negotiate with employers to get additional services not covered. Extremely strong unions such as the Autoworkers and Teachers have absolutely no problem.

[popper]

A single payer system covers everyone whether rich or poor for the majority of medical needs without deductible. Insurance can be purchased from private companies for drugs (under 65), dental, private hospital rooms, travel health insurance and a few other procedures.

I'm skeptical that millions of federal, state and municipal employees would give up their outstanding and heavily subsidized health insurance in return for higher taxes and a lesser health product. I may be missing something though so please educate me.

What is hard to comprehend? They will get solid basic coverage on the vast majority of healthcare issues and yes they can negotiate with employers to get additional services not covered. Extremely strong unions such as the Autoworkers and Teachers have absolutely no problem.

They will get "solid basic service" vs. their current Cadillac service plus they will also incur a significant increase in taxes. That is hard to comprehend IMO. Why would they support that tradeoff?