The Legend of Joel Embiid

Post #641 » by **kingofthecourt67** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:46 pm

The good thing about this contract is he has incentive to take learning how to land seriously.

Post #642 » by **Sixerscan** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:57 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
If we match and he gets hurt the following year, 82 million would be on the books (not including that season's salary) compared to 59 million with the current deal. We wouldn't waive him after a hurt 18/19 season though if he had a healthy 17/18. It would take at least 2 years of bad health. So really it's 56 million on the books after 19/20 if we had matched, vs. 45 million on the books after 19/20 if we waive him in 2020. Not a huge difference.

But if gets hurt in November 2017, on the books for 0 million vs. 84 million is a huge difference. I wouldn't call that pinching pennies.

That 45 is spread over 3 years though, while the 56 is over 2. You can overcome $15 million in dead money a lot easier than $27 million. You can also stretch 3 years of dead money longer than 2 years. 6 years v. 4. Theres additional savings associated with that (both from a salary cap stand point and a time value of money stand point).

Further, this isn't just about saving money, you are also locking up potentially the best player in the NBA for 5 years. Whereas if you let him go to restricted free agency, he would probably get 3 years plus a player option for a 4th to try to bait us into not matching (which he would probably decline and enter unrestricted free agency if healthy).

So basically, you are saving money in the event that he suffers a career ending injury in the middle of his contract, and getting two more years of control of an All NBA talent in the event that he doesn't.

Yeah, I never meant that the money savings in that scenario would be insignificant. 45 million over 3 years is better than 56 million over 2 years. But the potential loss of 84 million over 5 years for a player who can't get on the court, if Embiid has another injury riddled season in 17/18, instead of moving on which we would've done in the summer of 2018 had we waited, is at least as significant if not more significant than that potential savings.

Money wasn't a reason to do this deal. But I get that it was important to keep your potential superstar satisfied, and locking up him for longer is another good point.

That is certainly a risk you run by offering this to him now. I'm not so sure they would have been ready to move on next summer though. And they probably think these risks are balanced out by what I mentioned above.

Plus, the contract does also potentially save money in the sense that it makes it harder for him to qualify for the super max (he has to make 1st team instead of 3rd team).

76ciology · Post #643 » by **76ciology** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:58 am

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Unbreakable99 · Post #644 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:49 am

This isn’t that bad. Embiid might have a future in this basketball thing.

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Simmons25 · Post #645 » by **Simmons25** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:24 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:This isn’t that bad. Embiid might have a future in this basketball thing.

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Blocks down on last season. He is getting too comfortable since he signed that deal :cry:

76ciology · Post #646 » by **76ciology** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:28 am

Simmons25 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:This isn’t that bad. Embiid might have a future in this basketball thing.

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Blocks down on last season. He is getting too comfortable since he signed that deal

Jahlil Okafor effect

I see our staff telling our guys to mellow down on D to nit get into unnecessary injury risk.

76ciology · Post #647 » by **76ciology** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:34 am

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76ciology · Post #649 » by **76ciology** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:10 am

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blazeyo · Post #650 » by **blazeyo** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:35 am

How strong is Joel really? I see him moving players effortlessly inside to gain position for a rebound with only his little finger.

Also, is he taller than Mozgov? looks like it.

HoopsMalone · Post #651 » by **HoopsMalone** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:11 am

Just lol at all the jealous folks on the GB saying Embiid isn't worth that contract.... Yeah they shoulda just let him go and picked up Joel Anthony instead :nod:

Sixersftw · Post #652 » by **Sixersftw** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:58 am

HoopsMalone wrote:Just lol at all the jealous folks on the GB saying Embiid isn't worth that contract.... Yeah they shoulda just let him go and picked up Joel Anthony instead

The options were sign him now, with protections and escalators in his contract, or wait, sign him to the same amount with none of the protections and potentially risk pissing him off. The GB was acting like a team like the Hawks that just desperately needs talent wouldn't throw a max at him.

cksdayoff · Post #653 » by **cksdayoff** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:10 pm

blazeyo wrote:How strong is Joel really? I see him moving players effortlessly inside to gain position for a rebound with only his little finger.

Also, is he taller than Mozgov? looks like it.

embiid is 7’3”

blazeyo · Post #654 » by **blazeyo** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:21 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
blazeyo wrote:How strong is Joel really? I see him moving players effortlessly inside to gain position for a rebound with only his little finger.

Also, is he taller than Mozgov? looks like it.

embiid is 7’3”

Marjanovic is 7'3 and he is for sure taller than Embiid.

cksdayoff · Post #655 » by **cksdayoff** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:24 pm

blazeyo wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
blazeyo wrote:How strong is Joel really? I see him moving players effortlessly inside to gain position for a rebound with only his little finger.

Also, is he taller than Mozgov? looks like it.

embiid is 7’3”

Marjanovic is 7'3 and he is for sure taller than Embiid.

ben simmons is legit 6’10” maybe even close to 6’11” and embiid towers over him. marjanovic is a huge dude, probably taller than the listed 7’3”

AlexD · Post #656 » by **AlexD** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:01 pm

blazeyo wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
blazeyo wrote:How strong is Joel really? I see him moving players effortlessly inside to gain position for a rebound with only his little finger.

Also, is he taller than Mozgov? looks like it.

embiid is 7’3”

Marjanovic is 7'3 and he is for sure taller than Embiid.

Don't think that Boban is that much taller than JoJo. He's just got wider frame and little bit more weight on it

brackdan70 · Post #657 » by **brackdan70** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:19 pm

just came over here to say...Embiiiiiiiid!!!!!!
wow, what an amazing player.
locking him up on that max contract was the right thing to do.

I sincerely hope he stays on the floor of a whole season

Post #658 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:21 pm

AlexD wrote:.

Joined 2009 and 2 posts total now.

Let me say a big hearty welcome and keep posting (possibly even a touch more frequent)!

blazeyo · Post #659 » by **blazeyo** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:25 pm

AlexD wrote:
blazeyo wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
embiid is 7’3”

Marjanovic is 7'3 and he is for sure taller than Embiid.

Don't think that Boban is that much taller than JoJo. He's just got wider frame and little bit more weight on it

I think he got atleast an inch on him. He just looks bigger on the court..
HE is slightly hunching here, don't think this pic is a good indication.

Jstock12 · Post #660 » by **Jstock12** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:37 pm

What a special player. I wish he wasn't so injury-prone. Imagine if he had that Karl Malone durability. He would destroy the league. Oh well