Knicks sign Trey Burke

[GONYK]

what values were they instilling after losing 72 games? They were the laughing stock of the league. Sure Brown gets credit for holding the team together. But lets not overreact here. If the sixers don't make the playoffs you don't think Brown will be fired?

I'm pretty sure he will if they don't show massive improvement in terms of record.

Your record is your record. I get it you don't like Horny, he probably will get the boot next offseason too because its tough to find a coach willing to go through this type of a dreadful year.

Brown gets rave reviews but if he doesn't produce this year he will be fired regardless of all the "values he instilled".

Ask KJ McDaniel about the Sixers culture, since he felt like they were killing his career

I agree, this idea that the sixers were building culture is some BS...you don't go 10-72 and build culture. They were actively not playing a lot of players that would help them win just because they wanted to rack up more losses.

Sure brown gets however he is allowed to play to "play hard" but is that really what coaching has become...getting million dollar players who job is to play a game to "play hard". Its a results business. They had a losing culture for 4 god awful years. They did what they wanted to do...accumulate high draft choices. Can you name me one player outside of maybe Covington/Holmes that have actually proven to be NBA level talent on the sixers...the sixers just wanted to accumulate Embiid/Simmons/Fultz...that was from tanking...not building a culture.

Aside from the lotto picks who were missing seasons at a time, players "played hard" because they are all G-League call ups and 2nd rounders trying to make it in the league. The 17 win Knicks led by Amundson, Lance, and Shved played hard too.

This culture thing is a stretch.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Tanking usually isn’t pretty. I am preparing for a real ugly season.

A big difference between us and the sixers is that we have a lot more vets, players in there prime and guys with huge contracts that will get Playing time. Gonna be harder to stomach watching those guys suck over cheaper younger players.

I hear the direction they speak of, but the roster we have just doesn’t jive with any plan at this point. Gonna be ugly even for a tank.

[GONYK]

Tanking usually isn’t pretty. I am preparing for a real ugly season.

A big difference between us and the sixers is that we have a lot more vets, players in there prime and guys with huge contracts that will get Playing time. Gonna be harder to stomach watching those guys suck over cheaper younger players.

I hear the direction they speak of, but the roster we have just doesn’t jive with any plan at this point. Gonna be ugly even for a tank.

It will be a testament to Perry's competence to see how quickly this awkward roster construction takes to get resolved.

[NYKnicksFTW]

Idk who this is. The Knicks just signing every unknown or scrub person I feel like.

How is he unknown? Dude was a top-10 pick and was one of the best players in Michigan history. ****, he has like 175,000 followers on Twitter.



Well, I mean Snooki has like 7 million followers and her 15 minutes have been up since she got arrested on the Shore in 2011...but still, Burke is known if you follow the NBA.

He did say 'or scrub'.

Yeah, but he also said he didn't know who he was

[NYKnicksFTW]

Idk who this is. The Knicks just signing every unknown or scrub person I feel like.

How is he unknown? Dude was a top-10 pick and was one of the best players in Michigan history. ****, he has like 175,000 followers on Twitter.



Well, I mean Snooki has like 7 million followers and her 15 minutes have been up since she got arrested on the Shore in 2011...but still, Burke is known if you follow the NBA.

I said unknown or scrub.

"IDK who this is"

[Wolfgang630]

How is he unknown? Dude was a top-10 pick and was one of the best players in Michigan history. ****, he has like 175,000 followers on Twitter.



Well, I mean Snooki has like 7 million followers and her 15 minutes have been up since she got arrested on the Shore in 2011...but still, Burke is known if you follow the NBA.

I said unknown or scrub.

"IDK who this is"

I guess he's both to me. An unknown scrub.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Tanking usually isn’t pretty. I am preparing for a real ugly season.

A big difference between us and the sixers is that we have a lot more vets, players in there prime and guys with huge contracts that will get Playing time. Gonna be harder to stomach watching those guys suck over cheaper younger players.

I hear the direction they speak of, but the roster we have just doesn’t jive with any plan at this point. Gonna be ugly even for a tank.

It will be a testament to Perry's competence to see how quickly this awkward roster construction takes to get resolved.

Yeah for sure. It’ll take a lot of work and I would not expect miracles (like moving Noah), but there will be other moves we should be able to make. It’ll take some time but hopefully we can make some improvements for the future by the end of the season.

[F N 11]

I still say dont sleep. I think they will sure up some things and get better.

[god shammgod]

i don't know that the sixers really built anything yet. they basically showed that they're good when embid is healthy and they suck when he isn't. we'll have to see what happens this year. not sure why they're the example.

that being said, it would be better if you had a coach here who was teaching the young guys good defensive habits early in their career. otherwise they might not ever develop right. timmy seems to be a great example. he wasn't getting proper development here. in another situation he was forced to and now back here it seems he might regress. there is value to having the right coach for young players.

but nothing will happen. jeff is here for the year at least. and the guys in charge probably won't replace him with someone who's right either. the knicks are a trash organization, it's not likely to change. what can you do.

[Jeff Van Gully]

People are lost on what the group complaining actually wants.

Form an identity. Most of us want a hard nosed team. That’s not going to win games by itself. Look at the roster. However, our foundation and culture must be laid. No matter who you bring here they will fail if the organization doesn’t create the proper nurturing environment for youth.

Just look at KP...

-Defense isn’t were it could and should be. Post all the damn stats you want. I watch the games. He was better his rookie year.
-Offense is beyond inconsistent.
-People are already questioning his behavior and work ethic.
-He’s already on coach #3.


How is dude supposed to grow PROPERLY?
This is bull. Last night posters were talking about how KP is supposed to be doing what Embid is doing. That’s never going to happen here. We’re too busy tanking but not forging a solid culture around dude and taking his progression into account for this so called “rebuild”.

Don’t **** on the young guys already here in favor of some dudes that may or may not even end up on our team.

Tanking doesn’t come first in a rebuild. Making sure we’re nurturing our current youth is. “Tanking” is a byproduct of that unless you end up with the next LeBron.


Posters on this board don’t know what a damn rebuild is. That’s why they’re equating us being trash and possibly getting a high draft to a rebuild not seeing that this is how you turn into the Kings.

yeah. you need to brett brown through a tank. hornacek is getting his chance to see if he can replicate what he did with the overachieving suns when he got COY consideration.

This is a bit of a stretch. The Sixers weren't doing a damn thing but losing. There was no culture building. They were actively not playing players who were developing, like KJ McDaniel, because he was affecting their loss rate.

They didn't build an identity in the slightest.

you don't think brett brown was playing to win? i don't have any way to support the assertion of KJ not getting time because he was going to be the difference between wins and losses.

i think philly is going to do some winning now (maybe sneak into the playoffs) because of the coaching. they haven't had much in the way of win-ready talent. they've had terrible injury luck (which may be a curse for the tank strategy) but i never thought brett brown the coach was playing for Ls.

the sixers have been scrappy. bad, but scrappy. i admit that i don't check for them on league pass regularly, but when i did see them that was the vibe i got. they seem different from the revolving door of young suckitude they started out as.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Tanking usually isn’t pretty. I am preparing for a real ugly season.

A big difference between us and the sixers is that we have a lot more vets, players in there prime and guys with huge contracts that will get Playing time. Gonna be harder to stomach watching those guys suck over cheaper younger players.

I hear the direction they speak of, but the roster we have just doesn’t jive with any plan at this point. Gonna be ugly even for a tank.

It will be a testament to Perry's competence to see how quickly this awkward roster construction takes to get resolved.

Yeah for sure. It’ll take a lot of work and I would not expect miracles (like moving Noah), but there will be other moves we should be able to make. It’ll take some time but hopefully we can make some improvements for the future by the end of the season.

lee, lance, and maybe KO shipped out, i'm assuming.

love lee, but he's my top priority to move. but if we play him at the 3, it's not like he's blocking a prospect yet. and he's a good vet for the perimeter group in the meantime.

we don't need lance. even with all the heart he shows, if another team wants him for cap relief and maybe a 2nd rounder, you jump at the chance.

KO is young enough to keep around, but we're got too many bigs. so i suppose we might as well cash him out.

i'd send beasley if he turns into a positive asset. kanter and mcdermott same. basically, if they look good, i'd showcase the lot. we're moving forward with KP, timmy, billy, dot, and frank. might as well clear the path for dotson in the starting lineup too. timmy can play 3. fug it.

[dakomish23]

Just play the kids the overwhelming majority of the minutes & live with the outcome.

Or don't & waste a year of development.

Frank, Baker & KP have had injuries, so we have to wait to see how the playing time is given out. If it's still a lot of lineups with vets who suck, this organization has failed IMO

Frank Baker
THJ
Dotson MCD
KP
WHG KOQ

[Ayt]

They suck but Brent Brown is a solid coach. He instilled values. They were raving about him during those awful seasons.

what values were they instilling after losing 72 games? They were the laughing stock of the league. Sure Brown gets credit for holding the team together. But lets not overreact here. If the sixers don't make the playoffs you don't think Brown will be fired?

I'm pretty sure he will if they don't show massive improvement in terms of record.

Your record is your record. I get it you don't like Horny, he probably will get the boot next offseason too because its tough to find a coach willing to go through this type of a dreadful year.

Brown gets rave reviews but if he doesn't produce this year he will be fired regardless of all the "values he instilled".

Ask KJ McDaniel about the Sixers culture, since he felt like they were killing his career

I'd ask him why he's blaming the team that gave him a ton of PT as a rookie when he couldn't get off the bench for a different team during that same rookie season and has struggled for minutes since.

[stuporman]

Hit the road Jack and come back as a coach.....

[Greenie]

what values were they instilling after losing 72 games? They were the laughing stock of the league. Sure Brown gets credit for holding the team together. But lets not overreact here. If the sixers don't make the playoffs you don't think Brown will be fired?

I'm pretty sure he will if they don't show massive improvement in terms of record.

Your record is your record. I get it you don't like Horny, he probably will get the boot next offseason too because its tough to find a coach willing to go through this type of a dreadful year.

Brown gets rave reviews but if he doesn't produce this year he will be fired regardless of all the "values he instilled".

Ask KJ McDaniel about the Sixers culture, since he felt like they were killing his career

I'd ask him why he's blaming the team that gave him a ton of PT as a rookie when he couldn't get off the bench for a different team during that same rookie season and has struggled for minutes since.

Bingo.
Some players just are not good. That’s the whole purpose of playing them so you can find out.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Ask KJ McDaniel about the Sixers culture, since he felt like they were killing his career

I'd ask him why he's blaming the team that gave him a ton of PT as a rookie when he couldn't get off the bench for a different team during that same rookie season and has struggled for minutes since.

Bingo.
Some players just are not good. That’s the whole purpose of playing them so you can find out.

yeah, KJ is one of those guys we've all been intrigued with because of his tools, but he never found a way to put them together as a basketball player. he's had chances. that's why i said i couldn't say KJ didn't play because he was going to win too many games. where has he gone and been a significant contributor? teams seem to like his talent, but he can't earn minutes.

he's still only 24, which is crazy to think. but no one has valued him yet. there's opportunity in toronto now. we'll see.

[dakomish23]

Ask KJ McDaniel about the Sixers culture, since he felt like they were killing his career

I'd ask him why he's blaming the team that gave him a ton of PT as a rookie when he couldn't get off the bench for a different team during that same rookie season and has struggled for minutes since.

Bingo.
Some players just are not good. That’s the whole purpose of playing them so you can find out.

Paging MCD

[GONYK]

I'd ask him why he's blaming the team that gave him a ton of PT as a rookie when he couldn't get off the bench for a different team during that same rookie season and has struggled for minutes since.

Bingo.
Some players just are not good. That’s the whole purpose of playing them so you can find out.

Paging MCD

He's blaming them because they were something like +11 with him on the floor, so they would reduce his minutes.

He might have never become a talent that stuck, but the Sixers definitely put their tank over his development at the time.

[moocow007]

People are lost on what the group complaining actually wants.

Form an identity. Most of us want a hard nosed team. That’s not going to win games by itself. Look at the roster. However, our foundation and culture must be laid. No matter who you bring here they will fail if the organization doesn’t create the proper nurturing environment for youth.

Just look at KP...

-Defense isn’t were it could and should be. Post all the damn stats you want. I watch the games. He was better his rookie year.
-Offense is beyond inconsistent.
-People are already questioning his behavior and work ethic.
-He’s already on coach #3.


How is dude supposed to grow PROPERLY?
This is bull. Last night posters were talking about how KP is supposed to be doing what Embid is doing. That’s never going to happen here. We’re too busy tanking but not forging a solid culture around dude and taking his progression into account for this so called “rebuild”.

Don’t **** on the young guys already here in favor of some dudes that may or may not even end up on our team.

Tanking doesn’t come first in a rebuild. Making sure we’re nurturing our current youth is. “Tanking” is a byproduct of that unless you end up with the next LeBron.


Posters on this board don’t know what a damn rebuild is. That’s why they’re equating us being trash and possibly getting a high draft pick to a rebuild not seeing that this is how you turn into the Kings.

Yeah agreed.

[moocow007]

Nate was drafted by the Suns at 21, David Lee was drafted at 30, and Camby/McGrady were great picks. Let's be real here if that was meant as an insult Pooch screwed himself (pun intended) on that one.

Especially TMac. TMac was a steal in one of the thinnest drafts in NBA history. Other than Tim Duncan (who was about as obvious a choice as you can get) going 1st, the only other player besides Duncan and McGrady (who was taken 9th overall) that reached any sort of star level was Chauncey Billups (3rd overall).

The rest? LOL...talk about just an absolutely BRUTAL draft. Adonal "Tin" Foyle 8th overall. Yikes. Here's the rest of the lottery picks:

2 Keith Van Horn PF United States Philadelphia 76ers Utah (Sr.)
4 Antonio Daniels PG United States Vancouver Grizzlies Bowling Green (Sr.)
5 Tony Battie C/F United States Denver Nuggets Texas Tech (Jr.)
6 Ron Mercer SF United States Boston Celtics (from Dallas) Kentucky (So.)
7 Tim Thomas SF United States New Jersey Nets Villanova (Fr.)
8 Adonal Foyle C Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Golden State Warriors Colgate (Jr.)
10 Danny Fortson PF United States Milwaukee Bucks Cincinnati (Jr.)
11 Tariq Abdul-Wahad SF France Sacramento Kings San Jose State (Sr.)
12 Austin Croshere PF United States Indiana Pacers Providence (Sr.)
13 Derek Anderson SG United States Cleveland Cavaliers Kentucky (Sr.)
14 Maurice Taylor PF United States Los Angeles Clippers Michigan (Jr.)

Talk about ugly as frick LOL. When Danny Fortson is the guy with the highest PER in the group, you know you're in trouble.

And it's not like there were any other gems in this draft. The only "steal" would be Captain Jack (Stephen Jackson) in the 2nd round. Brevin Knight (16th overall) and Bobby Jackson (23rd overall) were about the only other guys of any significant merit in this entire draft.

Robinson was also a terrific pick at 21, just as David Lee was a terrific pick at 30. Both these guys (especially Lee) I had mentioned before the draft as possible sleepers. Why? Because they showed that they have a specific thing (or things) they do that is NBA caliber. Doesn't mean they are going to be stars, but means it's highly likely that they'll find minutes in the NBA. Gotta have NBA level talent in something to be able to play in the NBA. More likely for a guy that is bad at things and great at things to find a role than a guy that is good at a lot but not great at anything.

i wonder how keith van horn would do a stretch 4 in todays nba, not dealing with athletic small forwards.

would probably still suck defensively but more of a scorer.

KVH probably would have fit better in today's nba. He's basically the ideal stretch 4. Not only can he shoot but he can actually create some shots and rebound a little. Defense still bad but most stretch 4's are bad defenders.