Political Roundtable Part XV

[DrKnick]

People still pay attention to politics? :/

[Wizardspride]

DUH? I applauded that phone call.
That doesn't mitigate his phone call and the defense by X General John Kelly who is now a civilian and a bureaucrat.
By the way spell check is your friend! For a man with a Doctorate your spelling is crap.

so appologize to the entire board for your complete faux rage on the matter. you took a bull crap story. fell for it. fauz raged over it. all with the intent to disinform. this goes back 8-10 pages where i said race relations are not as bad in this country as the media has made it seem for the last 2 years. but faux stats, and vitriol over extremely isolated incidents is fueling a completely fake division. the division is being completely fabricated. and your faux rage does help.

now you are canadian, and i understand thats its not that important to you that americans are united. as our northern border and beneficiary of our military strength, thats a miscalculation on your part, imo. but for americans, a divided country weakens us. makes us more vulnerable to attack. it weakens our global positioning. it puts out civilians at greater risk when the white house doesn't look like the will and full spirit of the american people are behind the CIC. and the division is completely made up. virtually out of thin air. all because trump wants responsible immigration? because he wants refugees vetted? because he wants to be able to actually afford whatever healthcare we create? because he wants law and order and the police respected for the job they do daily? putting their lives on the line? because he believes that we should "unite" around our flag, not divide around it?

there comes a point where ALL americans must stand together. together as one. and stop letting CNN, NBC bull shxt artists divide us.

What am I to apologize for? The gold star spouse who recorded the conversation with Trump is not La David Johnson's wife.
Yes I'm a Canadian and yes what happens in America does effect our country and obviously it concerns me. I might also remind you that our nation is not a colony of the USA. Our foreign policy sometimes is in step with the USA but also at times not. Canada did not join in Vietnam and Iraq 2 but joined the USA & NATO in Iraq 1, Afghanistan note Canada lost the 3rd most casualties and along with Britain were the only nations responsible for defending a province Kandahar. Canada participated in all other NATO conflicts and has Special Forces working with the Kurds in Iraq.

Refugees vetted Canada has taken in 40,000 Iraq Refugees and since they have arrived none have caused trouble. I think people can question individual police actions and patterns in those actions the last I heard that police have responsibility to preserve and protect. So by your estimation I am the one that is dividing America not the President who sits on the "Bully Pulpit" being the bully.

Every leader in a advanced democracy cringes when Trump talks and makes the world more dangerous.

I think SD20 might be confusing the two different gold star spouses.

[cammac]

so appologize to the entire board for your complete faux rage on the matter. you took a bull crap story. fell for it. fauz raged over it. all with the intent to disinform. this goes back 8-10 pages where i said race relations are not as bad in this country as the media has made it seem for the last 2 years. but faux stats, and vitriol over extremely isolated incidents is fueling a completely fake division. the division is being completely fabricated. and your faux rage does help.

now you are canadian, and i understand thats its not that important to you that americans are united. as our northern border and beneficiary of our military strength, thats a miscalculation on your part, imo. but for americans, a divided country weakens us. makes us more vulnerable to attack. it weakens our global positioning. it puts out civilians at greater risk when the white house doesn't look like the will and full spirit of the american people are behind the CIC. and the division is completely made up. virtually out of thin air. all because trump wants responsible immigration? because he wants refugees vetted? because he wants to be able to actually afford whatever healthcare we create? because he wants law and order and the police respected for the job they do daily? putting their lives on the line? because he believes that we should "unite" around our flag, not divide around it?

there comes a point where ALL americans must stand together. together as one. and stop letting CNN, NBC bull shxt artists divide us.

What am I to apologize for? The gold star spouse who recorded the conversation with Trump is not La David Johnson's wife.
Yes I'm a Canadian and yes what happens in America does effect our country and obviously it concerns me. I might also remind you that our nation is not a colony of the USA. Our foreign policy sometimes is in step with the USA but also at times not. Canada did not join in Vietnam and Iraq 2 but joined the USA & NATO in Iraq 1, Afghanistan note Canada lost the 3rd most casualties and along with Britain were the only nations responsible for defending a province Kandahar. Canada participated in all other NATO conflicts and has Special Forces working with the Kurds in Iraq.

Refugees vetted Canada has taken in 40,000 Iraq Refugees and since they have arrived none have caused trouble. I think people can question individual police actions and patterns in those actions the last I heard that police have responsibility to preserve and protect. So by your estimation I am the one that is dividing America not the President who sits on the "Bully Pulpit" being the bully.

Every leader in a advanced democracy cringes when Trump talks and makes the world more dangerous.

I think SD20 might be confusing the two different gold star spouses.

Obviously ....................He has a comprehension problem!

[stilldropin20]

SD20 A few pages ago you asked me to name some Obama policies I disagreed with.

I answered your question though you never responded.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because now I want to ask you a question.

I see you mentioned that Trump's critics/slash detractors are the one's dividing America.

The question I pose to you is simple: Has Trump ever said/done anything that made you pause for a moment?

Anything that made you think "That's ****** up!

Perhaps you've had those thoughts but if you have it's not evident from your posts.

So that's my question to you.

Thanks.

the thing about trump is that almost no one likes his "style" including me. he nails somethings. and misses badly on others. looks awkward often. and stands firmly on things that i dont feel that he should be all that interested in. so overall, i dont dig his style. but at the end of the day, i dont give rats azz about style. I mean was it cool that Obama was so polished? sure! But sitting in a massive economic depression for his entire 8 years was awful. at the end of the day i care about Trumps politics than his style. and i think most of his politics and policies have legs.

[cammac]

SD20 A few pages ago you asked me to name some Obama policies I disagreed with.

I answered your question though you never responded.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because now I want to ask you a question.

I see you mentioned that Trump's critics/slash detractors are the one's dividing America.

The question I pose to you is simple: Has Trump ever said/done anything that made you pause for a moment?

Anything that made you think "That's ****** up!

Perhaps you've had those thoughts but if you have it's not evident from your posts.

So that's my question to you.

Thanks.

the thing about trump is that almost no one likes his "style" including me. he nails somethings. and misses badly on others. looks awkward often. and stands firmly on things that i dont feel that he should be all that interested in. so overall, i dont dig his style. but at the end of the day, i dont give rats azz about style. I mean was it cool that Obama was so polished? sure! But sitting in a massive economic depression for his entire 8 years was awful. at the end of the day i care about Trumps politics than his style. and i think most of his politics and policies have legs.

Again a canard Obama inherited a crisis and before becoming President worked with George W Bush to try and stabilize the economy including with Canada's help bailing out both GM & Chrysler. The growth rate was 1.9% of the GDP which included decreases in the GDP in the 1st part of the administration because of the Republican administration letting Wall Street going rogue. Please not that Trump wants the protections against holding Wall Street back are being dismantled. If you look at the GDP growth without the Bush collapse it was about a 2.5% GDP growth which is healthy for a advance economy. The 1st year of the Trump economy will be similar or worse. He is reaping the sacrifices that Obama made in his 1st term.

[popper]

SD20 A few pages ago you asked me to name some Obama policies I disagreed with.

I answered your question though you never responded.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because now I want to ask you a question.

I see you mentioned that Trump's critics/slash detractors are the one's dividing America.

The question I pose to you is simple: Has Trump ever said/done anything that made you pause for a moment?

Anything that made you think "That's ****** up!

Perhaps you've had those thoughts but if you have it's not evident from your posts.

So that's my question to you.

Thanks.

the thing about trump is that almost no one likes his "style" including me. he nails somethings. and misses badly on others. looks awkward often. and stands firmly on things that i dont feel that he should be all that interested in. so overall, i dont dig his style. but at the end of the day, i dont give rats azz about style. I mean was it cool that Obama was so polished? sure! But sitting in a massive economic depression for his entire 8 years was awful. at the end of the day i care about Trumps politics than his style. and i think most of his politics and policies have legs.

Again a canard Obama inherited a crisis and before becoming President worked with George W Bush to try and stabilize the economy including with Canada's help bailing out both GM & Chrysler. The growth rate was 1.9% of the GDP which included decreases in the GDP in the 1st part of the administration because of the Republican administration letting Wall Street going rogue. Please not that Trump wants the protections against holding Wall Street back are being dismantled. If you look at the GDP growth without the Bush collapse it was about a 2.5% GDP growth which is healthy for a advance economy. The 1st year of the Trump economy will be similar or worse. He is reaping the sacrifices that Obama made in his 1st term.

In the interest of historical accuracy, I and others here have posted about the many policy mistakes that led to the 2008/2009 recession. I believe those conversations preceded your precence on the thread. It was not just Bush policy mistakes. The D policy mistakes were just as damaging.

[stilldropin20]

so appologize to the entire board for your complete faux rage on the matter. you took a bull crap story. fell for it. fauz raged over it. all with the intent to disinform. this goes back 8-10 pages where i said race relations are not as bad in this country as the media has made it seem for the last 2 years. but faux stats, and vitriol over extremely isolated incidents is fueling a completely fake division. the division is being completely fabricated. and your faux rage does help.

now you are canadian, and i understand thats its not that important to you that americans are united. as our northern border and beneficiary of our military strength, thats a miscalculation on your part, imo. but for americans, a divided country weakens us. makes us more vulnerable to attack. it weakens our global positioning. it puts out civilians at greater risk when the white house doesn't look like the will and full spirit of the american people are behind the CIC. and the division is completely made up. virtually out of thin air. all because trump wants responsible immigration? because he wants refugees vetted? because he wants to be able to actually afford whatever healthcare we create? because he wants law and order and the police respected for the job they do daily? putting their lives on the line? because he believes that we should "unite" around our flag, not divide around it?

there comes a point where ALL americans must stand together. together as one. and stop letting CNN, NBC bull shxt artists divide us.

What am I to apologize for? The gold star spouse who recorded the conversation with Trump is not La David Johnson's wife.
Yes I'm a Canadian and yes what happens in America does effect our country and obviously it concerns me. I might also remind you that our nation is not a colony of the USA. Our foreign policy sometimes is in step with the USA but also at times not. Canada did not join in Vietnam and Iraq 2 but joined the USA & NATO in Iraq 1, Afghanistan note Canada lost the 3rd most casualties and along with Britain were the only nations responsible for defending a province Kandahar. Canada participated in all other NATO conflicts and has Special Forces working with the Kurds in Iraq.

Refugees vetted Canada has taken in 40,000 Iraq Refugees and since they have arrived none have caused trouble. I think people can question individual police actions and patterns in those actions the last I heard that police have responsibility to preserve and protect. So by your estimation I am the one that is dividing America not the President who sits on the "Bully Pulpit" being the bully.

Every leader in a advanced democracy cringes when Trump talks and makes the world more dangerous.

I think SD20 might be confusing the two different gold star spouses.

oh. ok. thought this was the actual conversation in question. im wondering how this was fine and he screwed up the other. cant wait for the actual audio on the one in question.

[cammac]

Five President's rebuke both Obama & George W. came out in different venues to criticize Trump and now this weekend all five are gathering for a hurricane relief in Texas. Donald Trump was not invited to join the group while they have political differences they believe in the sanctity of the office of President.

GD20 should apologize to me because everything I said about Kelly were correct and his diatribe against the Congress Woman(Frederica Wilson) was completely wrong. This presidency goes from crisis to crisis on a daily basis and ever changing policies on the whim of a unstable President.

It is doubtful that this congress can get anything meaningful done in legislation and if the Fox poll on the Alabama senatorial election is correct the Republican majority in the Senate will be reduced to one. While the Republicans had a dream scenario in the 2018 in the Senate races it looks like most of the vulnerable Democrats are now safe and at least 2 Republican Senators could lose. Some in safe Republican states may become vulnerable like Cruz in Texas and with the retirement of Corker in Tennessee. Also while not hoping John McCain's seat might become available.

[Pointgod]

I listened to General Kelly's address twice and in the end lost all respect for him he has joined all the sycophants in the Trump cabinet who gave him kudos when asked. The only holdout was General Mattis who praised the military. Kelly basically confirmed what the President said and covered with the weak analogy what another General said to him giving the initial news of his sons death in action. This was totally inappropriate since it was two military men who both had lost countless men under them through the years. The only person condemned in this was the Democratic congresswoman. Also indicating the Presidents total lack of empathy is other gold star families coming out indicating they never received either letters or calls from Donald Trump. Plus the ghastly its in the mail response to a gold star parent whom he promised $25,000. Frankly the USA military does a extremely competent job in informing the families of the fallen warriors and they are professional and extremely well trained.

This became a controversy only because Trump is pigheaded in trying to pass the blame to others in his message that previous Presidents didn't do there duty. He opens up the subject and the squeals like a pig when the truth is exposed. General Kelly you are no longer a General but a manipulated bureaucrat who has given up every shred of common decency.

This is what happens to everyone is Trump's orbit. He poisons everything that he touches and everyone that's around him. Mike Pence lied about Michael Flynn, Kelly lied about congresswoman Whitfield and his communications team lies for him on a daily basis.

Kelly has proven himself that he's nothing but a yes man to a sociopath. In his effort to appease his loser boss he attacked a congresswoman and explicitly lied. He called her an empty barrel which is condecending as hell and he didn't bother to educate himself about the fact that she personally knew soldier and mentored him.

Oh and on the day of the funeral for the serviceman Trump is tweeting and attacking the congresswoman. Classy.

[montestewart]

GD20 should apologize to me because everything I said about Kelly were correct and his diatribe against the Congress Woman(Frederica Wilson) was completely wrong. This presidency goes from crisis to crisis on a daily basis and ever changing policies on the whim of a unstable President.

Apologizing is what's killing our country! We finally have a president who refuses to apologize for anything, ever. We, as a nation, will never apologize for anything, ever, ever again!

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"My post, right or wrong!" (STD, 2017)

[Wizardspride]

I would like to think Gen Kelly somehow just remembered events differently but even after the tape came out, he's doubling down on his narrative.

[dckingsfan]

Refugees vetted Canada has taken in 40,000 Iraq Refugees and since they have arrived none have caused trouble.

Your take?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41669614

[dckingsfan]

...because of the Republican administration letting Wall Street going rogue.

Hopefully the rest of your argument doesn't rest on this statement. We have been over this many times - just because someone says it, doesn't make it true.

[cammac]

Refugees vetted Canada has taken in 40,000 Iraq Refugees and since they have arrived none have caused trouble.

Your take?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41669614

Well statements by politicians in Ontario have been totally negative to what happened in Quebec and Trudeau was against it in the last elections. It will end up in the Supreme Court and will be very likely overturned. It is a religious symbol that is important to some Muslims and as long as it isn't forced on a woman I have no objection. Nor do I have how Orthodox Jews , Sikhs, Mennonites or others dress it is there religious custom. I believe tolerance is a key to coexisting in life even if I think differently. The only thing is that for some personal identification such as passports, drivers licenses and health cards a full picture of a face is required. In everyday life people should be able to dress as they like.

My only disagreement about religion or the lack of religion is when it infringes on others beliefs in a negative manner.

Since Trump arrived 15,000 people claim refugee status has crossed the mostly the NY & Quebec border. Most have legitimate status of some kind in the USA but have fears that they will be deported. Right now about slightly less than 70% are being granted status in Canada. That is a higher than usual % on refugees normally admitted. I can see a influx of DACA adults doing the same thing if that situation isn't resolved.

[nuposse04]

I listened to General Kelly's address twice and in the end lost all respect for him he has joined all the sycophants in the Trump cabinet who gave him kudos when asked. The only holdout was General Mattis who praised the military. Kelly basically confirmed what the President said and covered with the weak analogy what another General said to him giving the initial news of his sons death in action. This was totally inappropriate since it was two military men who both had lost countless men under them through the years. The only person condemned in this was the Democratic congresswoman. Also indicating the Presidents total lack of empathy is other gold star families coming out indicating they never received either letters or calls from Donald Trump. Plus the ghastly its in the mail response to a gold star parent whom he promised $25,000. Frankly the USA military does a extremely competent job in informing the families of the fallen warriors and they are professional and extremely well trained.

This became a controversy only because Trump is pigheaded in trying to pass the blame to others in his message that previous Presidents didn't do there duty. He opens up the subject and the squeals like a pig when the truth is exposed. General Kelly you are no longer a General but a manipulated bureaucrat who has given up every shred of common decency.

Kelly is a gold star father. And 4 star general. He Cleaned up the border in months. Gore a promotion to chief of staff. He is great in front of the camera and could be a rising star. You are clearly reaching because you are clearly threatened. you just don't like trump. So you just don't like anyone who backs Trump. What if Kelly us telling the truth? I think he is. I'll trust a 4 star general who lost a son fighting for this country on what is or isn't appropriate inn term of notifying and thanking gold street families over a Congress women that never stood the watch. Btw, I stood the watch too. You didn't.

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This is high comedy, you think because he has had military service he is somehow immune from lying? LMAO. That is some rich sanctimonious BS.

Also, what is the purpose of you announcing your military service? Am I suppose... think better of your character now? Always seems facetious when people who serve promote the fact they did serve, as if they are fishing for kudos... Kinda like vegans telling me they are vegans

[dckingsfan]

Refugees vetted Canada has taken in 40,000 Iraq Refugees and since they have arrived none have caused trouble.

Your take?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41669614

Well statements by politicians in Ontario have been totally negative to what happened in Quebec and Trudeau was against it in the last elections. It will end up in the Supreme Court and will be very likely overturned. It is a religious symbol that is important to some Muslims and as long as it isn't forced on a woman I have no objection. Nor do I have how Orthodox Jews , Sikhs, Mennonites or others dress it is there religious custom. I believe tolerance is a key to coexisting in life even if I think differently. The only thing is that for some personal identification such as passports, drivers licenses and health cards a full picture of a face is required. In everyday life people should be able to dress as they like.

My only disagreement about religion or the lack of religion is when it infringes on others beliefs in a negative manner.

Since Trump arrived 15,000 people claim refugee status has crossed the mostly the NY & Quebec border. Most have legitimate status of some kind in the USA but have fears that they will be deported. Right now about slightly less than 70% are being granted status in Canada. That is a higher than usual % on refugees normally admitted. I can see a influx of DACA adults doing the same thing if that situation isn't resolved.

I could definitely see another 400,000 DACA's coming your way... I think that would be really good for Canada.

[cammac]

Double Post

[cammac]

Your take?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41669614

Well statements by politicians in Ontario have been totally negative to what happened in Quebec and Trudeau was against it in the last elections. It will end up in the Supreme Court and will be very likely overturned. It is a religious symbol that is important to some Muslims and as long as it isn't forced on a woman I have no objection. Nor do I have how Orthodox Jews , Sikhs, Mennonites or others dress it is there religious custom. I believe tolerance is a key to coexisting in life even if I think differently. The only thing is that for some personal identification such as passports, drivers licenses and health cards a full picture of a face is required. In everyday life people should be able to dress as they like.

My only disagreement about religion or the lack of religion is when it infringes on others beliefs in a negative manner.

Since Trump arrived 15,000 people claim refugee status has crossed the mostly the NY & Quebec border. Most have legitimate status of some kind in the USA but have fears that they will be deported. Right now about slightly less than 70% are being granted status in Canada. That is a higher than usual % on refugees normally admitted. I can see a influx of DACA adults doing the same thing if that situation isn't resolved.

Well we can give them 50,000 jobs when Amazon puts there 2nd HQ in Toronto. Toronto was the only one of 100+ applicants that offered Amazon nothing except what the city and country can offer. They could save $600 million a year just on healthcare a year because of single payer. Plus the highest educated workforce in the world and a great international city.
I could definitely see another 400,000 DACA's coming your way... I think that would be really good for Canada.

[cammac]

The problem is that it would be hard to absorb 400,000 from DACA the government would need to make some extremely difficult choices. Canada takes in about 250,000 immigrants a year plus another 50,000 refugees. Which is significantly more than the USA does currently so adding 400,000 isn't likely it would put a strain on our economy. Yes maybe 200,000 and we would take the cream of the crop just as we do for the majority of our immigrants. We are looking to the future in a economical sense with the Trump regime with the NAFTA talks in limbo because of unrealistic American demands. Our economic ties are looking elsewhere to the EU and Asia rather than the USA. Trump has only put new tariffs on Canadian products so we are looking to a future without NAFTA. The elimination of the treaty will hurt both countries and not solve some problems that can easily be negotiated for the mutual benefit of both countries. So far in the negotiations the US team has wanted everything such as only US companies bidding on US government contracts but retaining the right to bid on Canadian and Mexican contracts. Canada to give up our milk management system which does benefit our milk industry because most of our milk farmers have 100 to 150 acres and are family owned versus factory farms in the USA which are run by undocumented workers and are 4 to 5 times as big. But then whine because Mexico can grow crops cheaper than Florida. Canada would like to end the ability of USA right to work states and have industry pay decent wages in both Mexico and USA. Things we couldn't agree on is let the American court system be the arbitrator of disputes and the ability for a nation to cancel the agreement in 5 years. Canada is willing to give American financial institutions better access into Canada as long as our get equal treatment. We can offer the USA energy security without any political dangers that every other has. But fairness has never been part of the Trump regime.

Yes both economies will be hurt but Canada has more options EU trade agreement, Asian Trade agreement, close ties to the UK, Australia and NZ. We can get our winter agricultural needs from other countries likely at lower costs and make a free trade agreement with Mexico on a majority of items. When Trump is thrown out NAFTA or just a Canadian and American agreement can be drawn up.

[Wizardspride]

I listened to General Kelly's address twice and in the end lost all respect for him he has joined all the sycophants in the Trump cabinet who gave him kudos when asked. The only holdout was General Mattis who praised the military. Kelly basically confirmed what the President said and covered with the weak analogy what another General said to him giving the initial news of his sons death in action. This was totally inappropriate since it was two military men who both had lost countless men under them through the years. The only person condemned in this was the Democratic congresswoman. Also indicating the Presidents total lack of empathy is other gold star families coming out indicating they never received either letters or calls from Donald Trump. Plus the ghastly its in the mail response to a gold star parent whom he promised $25,000. Frankly the USA military does a extremely competent job in informing the families of the fallen warriors and they are professional and extremely well trained.

This became a controversy only because Trump is pigheaded in trying to pass the blame to others in his message that previous Presidents didn't do there duty. He opens up the subject and the squeals like a pig when the truth is exposed. General Kelly you are no longer a General but a manipulated bureaucrat who has given up every shred of common decency.

Kelly is a gold star father. And 4 star general. He Cleaned up the border in months. Gore a promotion to chief of staff. He is great in front of the camera and could be a rising star. You are clearly reaching because you are clearly threatened. you just don't like trump. So you just don't like anyone who backs Trump. What if Kelly us telling the truth? I think he is. I'll trust a 4 star general who lost a son fighting for this country on what is or isn't appropriate inn term of notifying and thanking gold street families over a Congress women that never stood the watch. Btw, I stood the watch too. You didn't.

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This is high comedy, you think because he has had military service he is somehow immune from lying? LMAO. That is some rich sanctimonious BS.

Also, what is the purpose of you announcing your military service? Am I suppose... think better of your character now? Always seems facetious when people who serve promote the fact they did serve, as if they are fishing for kudos... Kinda like vegans telling me they are vegans

Yep.

It's been my experience that those who have worn the uniform (in general) don't go around touting their service.

Case in point:

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Congressman and former Air Force Colonel Ted Lieu.

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