Soul Glo, the Afro Samurai - The Jarrett Allen Thread

[Paradise]

He’s gotta get that Milly Rock down.

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[MrDollarBills]

the future is now.

[steady]

I love all the players on the team, but Jarrett Allen is my favorite. Watching him just makes me smile. That Russell to Crabbe to Allen sequence. .

[MrDollarBills]

Please start him.

[Prokorov]

Please start him.

i think thats a bad idea for a couple reasons:

1) i want the guy to REALLY have to work and earn that spot. not get it after a good game and some dunks vs what is bad orlando team.

2) he looked good in a reserve roll. let him gain confidence in that role. then ramp up minutes and eventually start him.

i just think handing him the job base off 20 minutes in game 2 and potentially setting him up to not sustain what he did in a smaller spurt only hurts his confidence and takes that carrot away as far as a goal to shoot for.

[MrDollarBills]

Please start him.

i think thats a bad idea for a couple reasons:

1) i want the guy to REALLY have to work and earn that spot. not get it after a good game and some dunks vs what is bad orlando team.

2) he looked good in a reserve roll. let him gain confidence in that role. then ramp up minutes and eventually start him.

i just think handing him the job base off 20 minutes in game 2 and potentially setting him up to not sustain what he did in a smaller spurt only hurts his confidence and takes that carrot away as far as a goal to shoot for.

fair enough. i just don't want Quincy Acy playing center anymore and Mozgov has looked terrible.

it won't be long imo before he gets the nod. but i agree.

[Netaman]

I actually think Mozgov has looked decent. He's our best rebounder, has made a few nice up and under moves inside, sets good picks, etc.

Totally agree about Acy though. I don't even like how much we're playing Booker at center. Having a true center on the floor has made a big difference and would have made a big difference against Indiana.

[Paradise]

Lmao Jay is a savage “I forgot his name”

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[Ror1997]

Hold up he apologizez to the guy for dunking on him? Lmfaooooo what a G

[Claud]

Nobody is scared of driving when Moz is the one protecting the rim... at 19 the Fro already has the "fear factor" defensively in his game...15-20MPG should be the norm. Kid has a high ceiling under Kenny.

[Curns13]

Please start him.

i think thats a bad idea for a couple reasons:

1) i want the guy to REALLY have to work and earn that spot. not get it after a good game and some dunks vs what is bad orlando team.

2) he looked good in a reserve roll. let him gain confidence in that role. then ramp up minutes and eventually start him.

i just think handing him the job base off 20 minutes in game 2 and potentially setting him up to not sustain what he did in a smaller spurt only hurts his confidence and takes that carrot away as far as a goal to shoot for.

fair enough. i just don't want Quincy Acy playing center anymore and Mozgov has looked terrible.

it won't be long imo before he gets the nod. but i agree.

No more Acy at the 5. He's been dominated by all comers there.

[Roy Tarpley]

Throw Allen into the fire. Play him 25 minutes. Him just standing there raising his arms is more intimidating than Mozgov.

[Aussienet3]

Looking forward to see how he backs it up tomorrow. But I loved his activity and athleticism!!

[MrDollarBills]

lol he apologized to dude after he banged on him? hahaha

[NyCeEvO]

Please start him.

i think thats a bad idea for a couple reasons:

1) i want the guy to REALLY have to work and earn that spot. not get it after a good game and some dunks vs what is bad orlando team.

2) he looked good in a reserve roll. let him gain confidence in that role. then ramp up minutes and eventually start him.

i just think handing him the job base off 20 minutes in game 2 and potentially setting him up to not sustain what he did in a smaller spurt only hurts his confidence and takes that carrot away as far as a goal to shoot for.

fair enough. i just don't want Quincy Acy playing center anymore and Mozgov has looked terrible.

it won't be long imo before he gets the nod. but i agree.

I think this goes back to 1) the purpose of this season and 2) Markinson's team building strategy

1) We're in season 2 of development. Yes, the Nets have better players and greater depth than before, but we were lacking so much in having ANY quality NBA players, let alone having a good quantity of quality players that we're still well off the mark when it comes to legitimately competing against teams. For me, our team won't be measured by the number of wins but by how much the youngins improve.

2) If there's any aspect of what Markinson has done that I've been at odds with, it's been how they've built the team with their eyes toward legitimately competing.

I've argued that the Nets could have (last season and this season) fielded better, deeper teams while retaining financial flexibility and (most importantly) emphasizing development. Rather than chasing most of the RFAs they've gone after (Crabbe last offseason; OPJ, this past offseason) I think the Nets could've hit the market early with several 1yr or 2yr w/TO for 2nd year deals and nabbed several C-tier players.

Instead we were left with theorizing/ hoping that Lin, Lopez, and the rooks & RHJ would etch out 30 wins, despite knowing that we were bottom in the league in overall talent. Yes, Kenny's "Bomb away from 3 with the highest pace" strategy kept us in more games than we had business being in, but I'm very confident that had we blitzed the C-tier market, the talent disparity wouldn't have been so great and we wouldn't have needed lights out shooting just to be in a game.

During the season, I feel like Sean knows how bad we are. But when free agency begins and he gives out these head-scratching offer sheets, it makes me wonder if he really understands how much overall talent we need just to be competitive, and question why he would potentially invest so much money in players who wouldn't do much to move the needle if they filled up our cap.


How does this relate to Acy and Mozgov? On a playoff team, Mozgov is a backup center and Acy is a 3rd string PF. The fact that we went into the season thinking there's a chance we wouldn't get shredded defensively by opposing big men is laughable.

I like how Kenny is forward thinking and possesses some prescient knowledge about where the NBA is moving, but I feel like his belief in the NBA moving toward "flatter" lineups (where the range in measurements for your lineup goes from 6'4" to 6'9" or 6'10" and everyone is capable of making a 3, dribbling to the basket, and passing around the perimeter) is more extreme than the reality of NBA players retaining wide range of physical measurements (especially big men) but having more well-rounded games.

Where Kenny thought the league was going to shrink because all real big men (in both girth and size) were dying out, the reality is that it just took a few years for players of that size to adjust to the new game. The big men who couldn't adjust were let go or deprioritized, but they will be replaced by younger big men who are just as tall, but skinnier and more versatile. Size and strength will still be a key aspect in determining which team will outlast the other.

Jordan Hill is a mobile semi-athletic 6'10" who could get a hand in the face of an opposing center better than undersized Acy or slow Mozgov can. Spencer Hawes is a big, wide body who is capable of hitting 3s. Surely, he is at least good use of 6 fouls and 1 3 per game.

Marreese Speights is in Orlando on a 1-yr vet min deal. Jamychal Green's 2yr/$17mil contract is nothing, and we certainly could've signed him and moved him later on if need be. Ilyasova was retained by the Hawks for 1yr/$6mil, Jonas Jerebko signed a 2yr/$8.2mil contract with the Jazz.

The Nets were combing over Europe with a fine-tooth comb but Ekpe Udoh didn't cross the radar? 6'10, good defender and on a 2yr/$6.5mil contract with the Jazz. Jeff Withey signed a 2yr/ $3.3mil contract with Dallas

Trade wise, I'm sure Greg Monroe would've loved to continue re-inventing himself in Brooklyn for a year or two while Allen develops.


In short, I believe that there were moves that we could've made that would've better addressed our weaknesses but our bias towards believing in these idealized projections has still left us woefully short of addressing some major gaps in the composition of our team.

None of these moves turn us into a playoff contender. But they do provide at least a shred more resistance against teams who light up with glee when they see our super-undersized front court.

[Shark]

Didn't Booker play at the 5 in out small ball lineups last season? Where is it that Kenny got the idea that Acy would be better at the 5? I've said it before, I don't mind that he wants to play small ball, but I'd like to see him make adjustments when they're needed. I think putting Allen in last night was a good start to that since Vucivic was just going off. But I think he needs to switch Acy and Booker in his small ball line up because Booker is much better on bigs than Acy is.

[Prokorov]

Please start him.

i think thats a bad idea for a couple reasons:

1) i want the guy to REALLY have to work and earn that spot. not get it after a good game and some dunks vs what is bad orlando team.

2) he looked good in a reserve roll. let him gain confidence in that role. then ramp up minutes and eventually start him.

i just think handing him the job base off 20 minutes in game 2 and potentially setting him up to not sustain what he did in a smaller spurt only hurts his confidence and takes that carrot away as far as a goal to shoot for.

fair enough. i just don't want Quincy Acy playing center anymore and Mozgov has looked terrible.

it won't be long imo before he gets the nod. but i agree.

its been 2 games. TWO. GAMES.

i mean if acy had gone like 4/5 from three in one of those games im sure you'd probably be singing a different tune. we want to play small and fast when we can. Acy isnt going to stop anyone but thats not who we are as a team anyhow. if acy isnt cutting him yeah sit him down but he play some really solid minutes at the 5 last year in spurts.

same with mozgov. 2 games. and i mean, i know vucevic went off but when the opposing teams center is drilling threes like he is prime dirk you cant really expect your bigger centers to really contain that well. good adjustment going with rhj on him late by kenny.

im all or more minutes for allen. but no need to rush it. let him earn each minute. so far he has earned more minutes. go from there.

lets give these guys at least 5-10 games before any "i dont want to see so and so anymore" type thinking

[steady]

This is classic Jarrett

After the Magic game

"I think it comes from the confidence, just his demeanor,” Atkinson said. “I told him before the game “’Be ready.’ And he goes, ‘Coach, I’ll be ready.’ And then after the game he told me ‘Coach, I told you I was going to be ready.’ And not in a cocky way, just matter-of-fact.”

[Hello Brooklyn]

i was wrong about Allen. Thought he too raw to be playing.

Looks like he has a great feel for the game. Should be getting minutes and hopefully we can start him midway through the season.