2017-2018 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread part one: The Fellowship for A Ring

thekaoswithin · Post #61 » by **thekaoswithin** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:33 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
thekaoswithin wrote:I've been a staunch Grant supporter.

What do you support about him? His 30% career 3pt percentage? 63% FT%? His 60% at the rim is solid, but he can't get there without being fed the ball there. He shoots 22% in the paint, not at the rim. 20% on mid-range 2s and 28% on long 2s. He plays mediocre defense. He has no ball skills. I wish he were a decent player. I wish everyone on the Thunder were an all-star caliber player. It just isn't the case. Grant is worse than Singler in on the court performance.

Why are you cherrypicking what I said? Literally the rest of the comment was me saying I realized that I was wrong and that he sucks.

Seriously my dude?

Pillendreher · Post #62 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:10 pm

I want to see this bench lineup:

Felton-Abrines/Ferguson-George-Roberson-Patterson

Melo should not play with the bench unless they really implement a system which I'm sure Donovan is not able to and never will be.

Post #63 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:12 pm

What’s sad is if osu or ou had a coach like Donovan then the local media would be all over him. For some reason Billy Donovan gets a pass.

Pillendreher · Post #64 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:18 pm

Knrstz wrote:What’s sad is if osu or ou had a coach like Donovan then the local media would be all over him. For some reason Billy Donovan gets a pass.

We need a guy who can really create an offense. Without Russ, we're nothing. And that's just sad. Look at how the Jazz play. They don't have anybody on their roster, yet they still find open shots and make plays.

Post #65 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:31 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
Knrstz wrote:What’s sad is if osu or ou had a coach like Donovan then the local media would be all over him. For some reason Billy Donovan gets a pass.

We need a guy who can really create an offense. Without Russ, we're nothing. And that's just sad. Look at how the Jazz play. They don't have anybody on their roster, yet they still find open shots and make plays.

Yep I totally agree. There were times last night that I thought Utah was playing like the warriors. Obviously they don’t have the talent level but when they make the shots, it doesn’t matter.

Presti is a smart guy but he’s put himself in a difficult situation. It’s obvious that one of his weaknesses is loyalty to players that he wants to develop. I think that’s even more so the case with Donovan. He has to see how lame the offense has been since he hired him. Russ doesn’t seem like the guy to demand that dononvan be fired. He just works with what’s around him. George is smart enough to see what’s going on and he’ll likely just leave rather than make an issue. That really depresses me because I think George would stay if we played like we were capable of playing.

Pillendreher · Post #66 » by **Pillendreher** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:35 pm

Knrstz wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Knrstz wrote:What’s sad is if osu or ou had a coach like Donovan then the local media would be all over him. For some reason Billy Donovan gets a pass.

We need a guy who can really create an offense. Without Russ, we're nothing. And that's just sad. Look at how the Jazz play. They don't have anybody on their roster, yet they still find open shots and make plays.

Yep I totally agree. There were times last night that I thought Utah was playing like the warriors. Obviously they don’t have the talent level but when they make the shots, it doesn’t matter.

Presti is a smart guy but he’s put himself in a difficult situation. It’s obvious that one of his weaknesses is loyalty to players that he wants to develop. I think that’s even more so the case with Donovan. He has to see how lame the offense has been since he hired him. Russ doesn’t seem like the guy to demand that dononvan be fired. He just works with what’s around him. George is smart enough to see what’s going on and he’ll likely just leave rather than make an issue. That really depresses me because I think George would stay if we played like we were capable of playing.

Why not hire an offensive coordinator? They hired Griffin for defensive purposes.

Old Man Game · Post #67 » by **Old Man Game** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:02 pm

Thing about Donovan is, he was a college coach. College coaches don't generally specialize in managing excessive amounts of talent and egos. They're used to being God in their program. To me, Donovan just looks totally scared of how to handle three Superstars. He's out there just letting them freelance to a certain extent and hoping for the best. That won't work. One of these guys is going to have to take a backseat to the other two. Not sure if Donovan is the guy to get that message across.

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bbms · Post #68 » by **bbms** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:01 pm

Which is exactly why he should focus on working on the defensive side of the ball... The idea that Donovan will be able to impose discipline and structure to this offense is ridiculous and specially less realistic when the guy from the big three who is given the keys to the offense is Anthony, as of now.

On the other hand, he can make a defense work with this personnel, but he is reacting to the crashing of this offense by hurting the defense, the one true elite unit of this team, taking out Roberson for worse players because they have prettier o, allowing more organized offensive teams to exploit us and extend leads. If this was the Spurs or Rockets, this game would be closed by the half.

This is just asinine logic. This isn't new, though. Brooks lost the Finals for sticking with net negative players. I guess the Thunder just isn't as lucky with coaches as they are with players.

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Post #69 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:23 pm

Trying to remember how the heat struggled the first year they were together, especially early. A win tonight will alleviate many concerns.

thekaoswithin · Post #70 » by **thekaoswithin** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:36 pm

I'll chalk most of that down to growing pains. Especially the Russ being passive part.

Pillendreher · Post #71 » by **Pillendreher** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:39 am

Read on Twitter

But hey, whatever, right.

Pillendreher · Post #72 » by **Pillendreher** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:40 am

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Oh, cool. Presti yet again not disclosing injuries.

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Post #73 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:43 am

Knrstz wrote:Trying to remember how the heat struggled the first year they were together, especially early. A win tonight will alleviate many concerns.

the heat were unlucky. their MOV over their .500 start was like +6 or +7.

Pillendreher · Post #74 » by **Pillendreher** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:48 am

slick_watts wrote:
Knrstz wrote:Trying to remember how the heat struggled the first year they were together, especially early. A win tonight will alleviate many concerns.

the heat were unlucky. their MOV over their .500 start was like +6 or +7.

Per stats.nba.com, they went 12-8 over the first 20 games and had a +9.9 NetRtG.

thekaoswithin · Post #75 » by **thekaoswithin** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:58 am

That was the most blatant moving screen. Like seriously, he straight up hipchecked PG13.

I'm livid, that shouldn't have counted.

Post #76 » by **slick_watts** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:12 am

thru three games our starters are scoring 95.6pp100 and allowing 105.1pp100. net eFG% -15.0% (!)

Old Man Game · Post #77 » by **Old Man Game** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:00 am

slick_watts wrote:thru three games our starters are scoring 95.6pp100 and allowing 105.1pp100. net eFG% -15.0% (!)

Complete trash. Someone tell Melo that he's not allowed to leave the corner 3 position on offense and if he doesn't like it he can waive that no trade clause and get the hell out of town.

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Pillendreher · Post #78 » by **Pillendreher** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:49 am

How is Melo averaging just two rebounds per game when he's playing the 4?

Old Man Game · Post #79 » by **Old Man Game** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:01 pm

Pillendreher wrote:How is Melo averaging just two rebounds per game when he's playing the 4?

This is an underrated aspect of how terrible he's been.

He's going to pick up that option for next season isn't he? :banghead:

Post #80 » by **ThunderBolt** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:02 pm

Read on Twitter

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I really can’t stand this guy. He’s the reason Russ will be playing along side Grant and Huestis next year.