juanc wrote:I think that Luka is going to be a better player than Hayward or Dragič(Who are both borderline allstar players). I also think that he is the least physicaly developed(He has the biggest reserve) player from the top5 debate(Ayton, Bamba, Porter, Bagley).
Some of you are concerned about how he will adapt to the league, becouse of his physicality... Luka has played his whole carrer against physicaly superior players. He allways was weaker/slower/smaller... than his opponents, but he has allways found a way to play his game.. Unlike the other top prospects who have allways been superior to others...
Real hasn't lost in both euroleague or Acb this season.. For example, the last 4 games Luka has played( Efes and Valencia away, CSKA and Unicaja at home) Luka's average is just spectacular.. 18,7 pts 6 reb 5,3 ass in 25:30 min... I think that all of those 4 teams Real played against would reach the NCAA final 4. Just to give you a comparisson of what Luka is doing and against what kind of competition.
Those guys who were physically superior to him are not physically superior in the nba. They are probably on the lower tier of athleticism if you moved them to the nba.. That is the problem. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Look at some of the top prospects in this draft. Is anyone as big and fast and Ayton? Because that is the type of physically superior he will face once he moves over. And he has never faced that in europe.
So if he already looks slower and weaker than those guys what happens when he goes to the nba and faces the Ayton's of the world?
How cool would it be if Luka ended up on the Knicks with KP. If the Bucks end up failing to put pieces around him and Giannis wants to come over to the Knicks and make a European superteam of...
Frank Luka Giannis Willy KP
In the bright lights of MSG? The NBA NEEDS THIS. I'm usually pessimistic on international prospects but there's something that jumps off the screen with this guy. He reminds me of a bigger Steph Curry with a way less developed shot (although he is 18). At the least in his feel for the game.
I really like the quartet of Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, and Mamba. I'm not as sold on MP Jr.
XTraderXL wrote:It was not actually. The premise was that he is taking too many bad shots AT THIS MOMENT which I agree with. That has nothing to do with how those shots will translate to NBA. If they are bad here, they will be bad there. Its that simple. You made it about the NBA draft.
You should really read the whole thread. If you did you would notice that the debate is not always about how he will perform in the NBA but we debate about his current game most of the time. But I understand that if you just read the thread title and start writing comments, you cant know what the debate is about.
And you still didnt adress your statement about him maximizing his potential already;-) So did you write that or not?
His potential is obviously not maximized. He is 18. He is one of the best euro players. But I could care less about euroball. I care about how he will translate to the nba. Because my team might have a top pick and I don't want it wasted on a guy who will be ok when there might be other prospects who have a better chance of being great.
I see his lack of athleticism and bad defense as things that will hamper him. And his offensive game is not refined enough due to this lack of athleticism to compensate for that. Is he going to be a bench warming scrub? No. But my team needs a stud franchise player or perennial all star. And I don't see that in him.
what’s the problem? noone will take that bad prospect as pick 1-5.
XTraderXL wrote:It was not actually. The premise was that he is taking too many bad shots AT THIS MOMENT which I agree with. That has nothing to do with how those shots will translate to NBA. If they are bad here, they will be bad there. Its that simple. You made it about the NBA draft.
You should really read the whole thread. If you did you would notice that the debate is not always about how he will perform in the NBA but we debate about his current game most of the time. But I understand that if you just read the thread title and start writing comments, you cant know what the debate is about.
And you still didnt adress your statement about him maximizing his potential already;-) So did you write that or not?
His potential is obviously not maximized. He is 18. He is one of the best euro players. But I could care less about euroball. I care about how he will translate to the nba. Because my team might have a top pick and I don't want it wasted on a guy who will be ok when there might be other prospects who have a better chance of being great.
I see his lack of athleticism and bad defense as things that will hamper him. And his offensive game is not refined enough due to this lack of athleticism to compensate for that. Is he going to be a bench warming scrub? No. But my team needs a stud franchise player or perennial all star. And I don't see that in him.
what’s the problem? noone will take that bad prospect as pick 1-5.
Someone will take him because he is the shiny new euro that they hope is the next Dirk or KP.
TankCommander17 wrote:His potential is obviously not maximized. He is 18. He is one of the best euro players. But I could care less about euroball. I care about how he will translate to the nba. Because my team might have a top pick and I don't want it wasted on a guy who will be ok when there might be other prospects who have a better chance of being great.
I see his lack of athleticism and bad defense as things that will hamper him. And his offensive game is not refined enough due to this lack of athleticism to compensate for that. Is he going to be a bench warming scrub? No. But my team needs a stud franchise player or perennial all star. And I don't see that in him.
what’s the problem? noone will take that bad prospect as pick 1-5.
Someone will take him because he is the shiny new euro that they hope is the next Dirk or KP.
no. noone will take non athletic white guard, with non refined offensive game, like you presented him. so don’t you worry.
He doesnt look slow and weak anymore. In fact right now he looks above average athletically compared to other players and he is drastically improving. If you cant see it, thats on you. Obviously he will never be a super athlete, but he will be on a level that will not limit him as much as you think.
What is a franchise player in your view? How many are there in the NBA right now?
Johnny Firpo wrote:Doncic's physical weaknesses are overstated. He is a good, albeit not great athlete. Contrary to the popular belief, you don't have to be an elite athlete to be a star in the NBA. Is it a big advantage? Sure. Do I say he will be a star player? No. Can he? Absolutely. He has the skills and the body - which is improving at a rapid pace, btw - to do it. If you see how Gallo can draw fouls at an elite rate, if you see how Rubio can pass at an elite level, if you see Jokic doing whatever he wants on the offensive end, you cannot rule Doncic out as a potential star player. Give Gallo Rubio's passing skills and Jokic's footwork, consistent health, and that's a star player imo.
Doncic seem to possess excellent footwork, elite coordination, elite passing skills, good handles for his position, and a somewhat inconsistent, but great-looking jumpshot. Imagine if he puts it all together, how is that not a star player? Not saying Lebron-level player, but a second-tier star. Someone like Petrovic, someone like Chris Mullin. That's where I put his ceiling, probably. Somewhere around Chris Mullin and Pau Gasol, and I don't think that's crazy at all. I mean, that's why he will be a top 3 pick next summer. Another factor, the pace and space league. It is TAILOR-MADE for the kid.
Rubio, Gallo and Jokic are not star players. None of them have been an all star game and none are franchise players. They are good solid starters however and that is the level he can get to when he moves to the nba.
But the #1 pick needs to be a franchise player or perennial all star. So the answer to the topic headline is no.
Think your reading comprehansion is lacking. He's not saying those players are stars, but that if you would put their strengths into a single player he'd definetly be a star. Same thing about physicallity. Also I disagree about Jokic, he definetly has a lot of potential to become an allstar, his set of skills for his size is too special.
TankCommander17 wrote:He is definitely not saying that. So you need your reading comprehension skills sharpened. And if by some miracle he is then he needs english sentence structure classes.
I definitely did not say that, your reading comprehension skills indeed do need some work, and what you are saying is pure irony, considering that you are writing at a grade 8 reading level. I mean, no offense, I wouldn't have brought it up, but after this post, it's only fair. Also, Jokic is a consensus top 25 player in the league, regardless of his lack of all-star appearances.
TankCommander17 wrote:He is definitely not saying that. So you need your reading comprehension skills sharpened. And if by some miracle he is then he needs english sentence structure classes.
I definitely did not say that, your reading comprehension skills indeed do need some work, and what you are saying is pure irony, considering that you are writing at a grade 8 reading level. I mean, no offense, I wouldn't have brought it up, but after this post, it's only fair. Also, Jokic is a consensus top 25 player in the league, regardless of his lack of all-star appearances.
I didn't say you said that. Your buddy here did. I said if you meant that then you needed writing classes. You obviously didn't so you obviously don't. Now get off your euro high horse and go praise Doncic some more just cause Euro.
TankCommander17 wrote:He is definitely not saying that. So you need your reading comprehension skills sharpened. And if by some miracle he is then he needs english sentence structure classes.
I definitely did not say that, your reading comprehension skills indeed do need some work, and what you are saying is pure irony, considering that you are writing at a grade 8 reading level. I mean, no offense, I wouldn't have brought it up, but after this post, it's only fair. Also, Jokic is a consensus top 25 player in the league, regardless of his lack of all-star appearances.
I didn't say you said that. Your buddy here did. I said if you meant that then you needed writing classes. You obviously didn't so you obviously don't. Now get off your euro high horse and go praise Doncic some more just cause Euro.
Mate, you are contradicting yourself all the time Besides, you are saying we are praising Doncic just because he is a Euro ( which might be in part true) but you are doing the very same thing, just reversed. Its hypocritical to say the least
Doncic has actually been looking like the best player in Europe over this whole month. Not the "best" in the way so many other Euros were called the best in Europe by American "experts" before coming to the NBA, but actually the best.
Sure it's just one month, but still ... It's incredible.
lavta wrote:Man, an unbelievable amount of ignorance and lack of analysis here.
Firstly, basketball isn't played on a spreadsheet. You can't make conclusions out of anyone's raw shooting percentages if you don't watch their games, without tape raw percentages only can be preemptive signs.
I'm not a draft guy, just lurking around here out of boredom. I think who goes where is also unimportant, Doncic is talented. As long as he goes to a good situation he can be 60th pick, I don't care. Being 1st in a situationally bad organization is much worse imo. That means I don't follow non-Euro prospects, I know only bunch of their names & very broadly their playing archetypes. But since we're looking at raw percentages and drawing clear conclusions out of them, then Michael Porter JR who everyone I've seen agrees that he is a great shooter with fluid mechanics actually isn't. In U18 Americas he shot 6/20 from FIBA 3 which is %30. In Adidas Nations he shot (I believe from HS line) 4/11 from 3 which is %36.4. In McDonalds All American and Hoops Summit games he shot 1/8 from 3 combined. Which is %12.5 FWIW. So, I see those numbers, he shot a little better with significantly worse competition and shorter line. He shoots worse with same line as Luka's while facing probably even considerably worse competition than NIJT tournaments Luka dominated long ago. I had to go back because Luka has not played in worse competition than U18 Americas... let's say in a while. Oh, and again he shoots %35.1 from HS line in 77 attempts in high school, against children basically. With that all said, do I reject Michael Porter JR's shot? No, because these raw percentages do nothing but give preemptive disputable half-ideas to me. Every draft person I trust say he has a great shot and he's going to be a great shooter. A few minute short clips I've seen suggest his mechanics are fluid and shooting footwork at that age is elite. That's why I'm not going to arrive at conclusions of a 19 year old kid's (who I don't really watch) shooting prowess with raw percentages.
On the other hand, while I believe in his shot I think he jacks up too many 3s. I understand being the late-clock shooter now that Llull is gone. Only other Real player who's willing to have that role is Campazzo and his late-clock drives often ending with floaters. But I think Luka easily takes at least one 3 pointer in every game that is unnecessary aside of late-clock responsibility shots. As for someone who's such a PnR maestro, he needs to snake the PnR more to get good midrange shots. His touch is real good, his stepback is his go-to move. Snaking the PnR to get good midrange looks late clock or whatever, just would improve his efficiency.
I don't agree with the idea that he's afraid of contact either. He doesn't get all the way to the rim because he lacks arm length to finish over outstretched arms of defenders. He's better at using floaters and little bank shots with stop & fadeaways and also under-the-rim layups without using the glass which look closer to finger rolls than traditional layups. Like, he started to get to the foul line a lot because he gets contact for someone who's not a slasher. And only basketball gods know how many times he hit the floor in CSKA game which was only a couple days ago. The analogy with Ben Simmons seems right, but Ben seems like he has a considerably weaker floater/shots around the rim game than Luka in the limited games he has played so far with 76ers. So that does worry me about Simmons but not about Doncic.
Anyone who thinks he's average "at best" defensively should watch Spain game in Eurobasket. That was his peak defensive game from what I've seen of him so far against great competition being an 18 year old. It's a joke to think that's average defense. On the other hand, of course that's not his usual defensive performance. I think he'll be non-plus but above average defender (meaning what he brings on that end isn't game-changer so non-plus) and two things would explain why.
*He can be one of those pseudo-rim proctectors. This is actually a quality of great non-rim protector defenders (Wade, post-2016 Dallas series Durant, etc.) but weirdly Doncic has shown flashes of this. Every other game he surprises with the sliding from the corner or weakside to block the rim roller play. He has done it multiple times at 17 & 18 years of age in Euroleague and ACB that I believe it can carry over. We'll see.
*As everyone knows he isn't a plus defender but he's a plus team defender. Now, what makes players who are plus defenders collectively, but non-plus overall is the tendency to hurt team defense as a liability while being attacked. Steph is a good example. He displays all these defensive playmaking, doesn't blow off rotations much, doesn't get cut much, anticipation and defensive fundamentals are good. But he doesn't have the physical tools. So when Cavs did nothing but tried to switch him onto their best offensive players in 2016 Finals, he's become a liability on that end despite all the positive collective things he does. In the season opener, he did everything he can to hold off Harden to get to the rim, he even succeeded. But Harden patiently went to mid-range and just shot over him. Rockets offense down the stretch was basically trying to get Steph switched onto Harden. There's a reason for that. Now about Doncic, he doesn't really have that liability. He has a great frame, wide shoulders and he's strong so he's actually a good post defender. And then, his biggest defensive weakness is against screens not one-on-one. He's not a good one-on-one defender who'd shut down players forcing them to certain angles & tough shots. Not at all. But he actually holds his own well in straight one-on-one possessions. And being a PnR liability (if it's gonna be one for Luka) is much less harmful in other PnR coverages because it's solvable with team construction. Unless you're Kyrie Irving type of literally dying at screens type which Luka isn't. It really won't affect your team defense not at all as much and not at all as directly as being a liability after switches.
Oh, and he absolutely feasts off switches. Again, basketball is one of the most contextual sports in the world. The only empirical evidence is the tape. After reading a forum post of someone arriving at conclusions of shooting ability by raw percentages and accepting those conclusions by saying "Well turns out he's not a good shooter and he can't blow by guys so teams will just switch and take away his game." is just strange in my opinion. Like, all these Euroleague games are being played with tactical battles of coaches who need to squeeze every bit of tactical advantage out of their teams and they never thought of that? Just switch and he's done, they never thought of this? Well, he's a PnR maestro at 18, we should alert Euroleague coaches to have them just switch it so Real Madrid offense will be done. What an idea. Though, admittedly it was funnier when evidence of him feasting off switches were shown and dismissed by the owner of the idea.
Anyway, that seems like a long post. If you read it this far, I congratulate you to put up with my scattered thoughts and poor syntax.
He is not a pseudo rim protector. And if you are citing ONE GAME out of his whole career to prove he is a not so bad defender then you need to reanalyze your whole post.
He is also a bad defender in a league full of less athletic guys than those in the nba. With the athletes the nba has he will be a net negative defender.
He doesn't even have the speed or quickness of Steph Curry which you cited in your post. NOWHERE NEAR.
Also at least Curry can negate his average defense by his elite offensive skills which Doncic does not have.
Okay, if you intend to read this post, please read the paragraph where I talked about Luka's pseudo-rim protector potential first. It is important to understand what I said before going on with this post. Especially the "Every other game he surprises with the sliding from the corner or weakside to block the rim roller play" part. Because that IS what being a pseudo-rim protector means. It's done by helping from usually the weakside and usually the corner at the weakside by wing players. Wade was great at it, and provided a ton of it when early 2010s Miami had to play without a real rim protector, trying to manage that with a blitzing/hard-hedge heavy PnR coverage. Durant is great at it and has been so since the 2016 Spurs series, carried that over to his GSW career whether in regular season or playoffs. You must be a wing, and usually a great defender which Luka isn't. That's why I called this part of his game a bit weird, since being a pseudo-rim protector usually is a part of a great defender. Now that I contextualized the initial paragraph, let's go to tape.
Guards Zoran Dragic, is in proper stance, rotates slightly when ball rotates to the weakside but keeps distance to rotate back and contest possible shot. Then ball goes to rim runner, moves laterally with perfect timing and erases two free points.
This is in transition but he still guards on the corner so same situation as half court, moves to the rim when he understands ball handler will drive and erases two transition points.
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Latvia goes to Timma post-up, after help Timma kicks out to Bertans. Bertans pump-fake and attack to close-out frees Timma for a layup because of help. But Luka slides from the corner, again with perfect timing.
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Again, in great position to both help & rotate to weakside shooters had Efes used the post mismatch to shoot. But they use it to attack and Luka erases two points.
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Randolphs stickts to his man because of roll threat, Heurtel drives, Luka slides from the corner again with great timing.
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I believe that's Mumbru; there's a Mumbru-Carroll mismatch in the post, Mumbru spins, Doncic slides from the corner and same story.
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Sorry for the lag on the end, couldn't fix it. I hope you're noticing his lateral speed when he slides from the corner to disrupt/block shots in these examples. That's why I said weird, because lateral speed is something you need in this role. Along with awareness, timing, positional defense. Luka has the latter three, he doesn't have the lateral speed. So he actually has no reason to be a pseudo-rim protector but only part of defense he shows lateral speed is these weakside rotations. That's the reason it's a positively weird thing for his game. Bails out Reyes' awful PnR defense in this one.
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His man is in the paint in this one so he easily puts the ball on the backboard. Notice how good elevation he gets out off being a good two feet leaper. That helps for these possessions, because he doesn't get good elevation being a one foot leaper at all. He also jumps high for contested rebounds because those require two feet leaps as well.
I hope this is enough, if you need more I may make some other gifs later. He also blocks/disrupts shots of his man's around the rim and in transition but I specifically talked about how an average defender can be above average with two arguments (other being not being a liability after switches in any matchup 1-5) he has in his defensive game and this weakside rim protection help is the first one which was laughed at and/or maybe not understood by some other people so I decided to try showing evidence of rim protection only in that context. I hope I provided that.
Now, what this role means, let's get to NBA context a little about containing two guys I've mentioned in this topic.
LeBron doesn't pick up anybody here so Haslem stays in no man's land not deciding between picking up Kidd (who he shouldn't left open) and Chandler (who he's supposed to pick up); Dirk makes a great pass to Chandler, Wade slides from the corner and erases two points.
So sorry for the video quality, but I don't have time to make gifs for Wade and Durant either. Brook Lopez rolls to the rim and Hasle comes back late from his coverage probably, Wade slides from the corner and blocks Lopez.
Pietrus makes the 3 here but Wade again provides rim protection when Miami displays bad PnR D. This usually happened because of Miami's high risk, ball-handler focused trap/blitz/hard-hedge heavy PnR defense but this one is just bad PnR defense.
Battier loses Carmelo out of BLOB (he probably pushed him but it's not evident there because of Amar'e) and Wade comes from the weakside for the rim protection.
Same as Doncic's last block in this post against Valencia, his man is around the rim this time. First prepares for a charge, then sees Boogie goes for the floater instead of a drive and blocks the shot.
Sorry for the quality again, he again comes from the weakside but his man isn't in the corner so not from the corner this time. Breaks up the strong side PnR play.
As for the Steph analogy, I've talked about how being a liability after switches can hurt collective team defense and single-handedly can kill your chances of being an above-average defender with awareness, anticipation, timing, fundamentals and defensive playmaking. If Doncic would be a liability after switches whether defending against big men or quick isolation players that would put his ceiling on defense as an average guy. Since he's not, I've argued that he could be an above-average defender without being a consistent defensive plus on every possession. That was the whole context of Steph analogy, then coming with "He doesn't have the speed and quickness of Steph. NOWHERE NEAR" as if I compared their defensive performances straight up in a non-specific defensive context, is either poor understanding of my post or an explicit attempt at misrepresenting my arguments for obfuscation.
The idea that Luka's defense will be worse in the NBA comes from the fact that European basketball consists of much less athletic players. It's a theoretical argument. But why do that when we have historical evidence that is not? Let's look at perimeter players who have come from Euroleague level European basketball and their defensive performance in the NBA.
Ricky Rubio was regarded as an elite defender in Euroleague. He's an elite defender in the NBA and just had a hell of a start to season on that end.
Mario Hezonja couldn't get minutes in Barcelona because of his poor defensive performance & lack of discipline especially on that end. He can't get minutes in Orlando mostly because of his poor defensive performance & lack of discipline especially on that end.
Dragan Bender was expected to be a versatile and impactful defender but had no offensive moves or impact in Maccabi. He's a versatile and impactful defender in Phoenix, the only one who plays defense in that Phoenix roster now who showed the worst 3-game defensive stretch I've ever seen (Actually didn't watch the Blazers game, guessing that one by the numbers & other two games I've watched) from an NBA team ever. And I know he's a big but actually plays a lot of perimeter defense due to versatility & Earl Watson's strange decisions.
Joe Ingles actually probably has become a better defender in NBA than he was in Euroleague. That's his development, but also shows he wasn't worse than he was in Euroleague.
Sergio Rodriguez was an awful defender in Euroleague, displayed same level of awfulness in the NBA.
And this is a future guess, Bogdan Bogdanovic was pretty great in Euroleague and even if he's just decent his rookie season, will be a great perimeter defender in near future in the NBA. Preseason is preseason, but he showed that in those games too. Hope he's healthy now and ready to go. Always will root for him, guy is one of handful people who helped me see an actual, real Euroleague title.
Anyways, last thing I'll argue against is the idea that I've claimed Luka isn't a bad defender because of one game. No, firstly he's not a bad defender. Secondly, someone called his defense average "at best" and I said that his defensive peak was that game, that's not average defense.
Because you quoted my post, I was able to see some other answers you've given in this thread. Thanks for the laughs for that horrible Blatt take, I'm not a Blatt guy but genuinely chuckled at that one. Also wonder how you link Blatt not being successful (which is arguable but I'm not going there) and Luka's future projections. You have Georgios Papagiannis' fatheresque takes and I fully expect you to argue against this post with a "lmao, why did you write this long? You can't change facts. DONCIC IS VERY SOFT PLAYER! only advertisement for this player!!! European players is lie". Please do.
And I've called my first post in this thread a long one, didn't I? Man. But honestly this one felt more beneficial. For anyone who attempts to read and finish this, because even if you don't agree at all, it provides only actual evidence in basketball, game tape. And for me because it helped me realize showing things I see on games is a lot easier and less time consuming than I thought. It kinda inspired me to do these on Twitter for whatever player/team.
reanimator wrote:"*He can be one of those pseudo-rim proctectors. This is actually a quality of great non-rim protector defenders (Wade, post-2016 Dallas series Durant, etc.) but weirdly Doncic has shown flashes of this. Every other game he surprises with the sliding from the corner or weakside to block the rim roller play. He has done it multiple times at 17 & 18 years of age in Euroleague and ACB that I believe it can carry over. We'll see. "
This thread manages to top itself every time I think its peaked.
Oh my. This thread is popcorn worthy.
He's right though. Doncic has incredible anticipation and timing. That's why he's such a great rebounder for a perimeter player and why he gets those weakside blocks.
Apart from that, I've read sth. about 9 feet standing span - not sure where or if it's true, but considering his game, it would make sense, since his vertical isn't impressive and he keeps coming with those blocks regulary.
Johnny Firpo wrote:What is Luka's wingspan? Could be around 6'11? He doesn't have freakishly long arms, but seem long for a Euro player.
Luka combines outstanding anthropometric measurements, including an 8'9.5" standing reach (88th percentile for NBA guards) and 228.8 lbs of mass with very competitive and improving movement qualities. In the lateral plane, Luka's ability to abduct the hip (1 dev above the mean) allows him to generate Force more efficiently than most NBA players that we've assessed (71st percentile in lateral acceleration). He's become particularly adept in a change-of-direction environment, where his Slide Agility times outpace most NBA Guards tested at P3 and they've improved by roughly 0.25s in the past year. Vertically, Luka ranks better than 73% of NBA guards in height touched during the approach and his improved his countermovement jump by 2 inches in the past year. He's good now, he's still getting better, and he's well within his physical development window!
summarized by P3 sports science publicist in 2016 Im pretty sure he is bigger now
reanimator wrote:"*He can be one of those pseudo-rim proctectors. This is actually a quality of great non-rim protector defenders (Wade, post-2016 Dallas series Durant, etc.) but weirdly Doncic has shown flashes of this. Every other game he surprises with the sliding from the corner or weakside to block the rim roller play. He has done it multiple times at 17 & 18 years of age in Euroleague and ACB that I believe it can carry over. We'll see. "
This thread manages to top itself every time I think its peaked.
I just wonder how much fun you must have in Fultz thread, watching this,
and we have been reading here, that Doncic 3pts % is not good enough. no way Fultz can have even 25% shooting for 3, with that kind of shot. if he's smart enough he won't even try it. and we can see that kind of double standard all day long. Doncic should do everything with 18 years and others will learn.
edit: I looked to the stats, Fultz is smart enough.
He is 18. He is one of the best euro players. But I could care less about euroball. I care about how he will translate to the nba. Because my team might have a top pick and I don't want it wasted on a guy who will be ok when there might be other prospects who have a better chance of being great.
Besides, you are saying we are praising Doncic just because he is a Euro ( which might be in part true) but you are doing the very same thing, just reversed. Its hypocritical to say the least 
