Political Roundtable Part XV

[Wizardspride]

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please let this be a direct quote

I wish!!

Flake basically said it in more elegant words.

It was a smackdown on the Senate floor.

[cammac]

The Republican Party is unraveling like a ball of string!!
Cruz just backed Moore in Alabama and I think the Democrats have his seat on the radar in 2018.

[stilldropin20]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

You can't be president without being a massive ego maniac. It's not possible. Just applying for the job takes a massive ego. And definitely to the point of narcissism. The best politicians hide it well if not completely. If you buy that humble pie bs? Or any of that polished intellectual bs? Good for you. As you note Trump is certainly serving his own brand of bs.

But it's all bs. You post implies that there is something wrong with me for sniffing that out?? I mean I'm sniffing out the rather obvious n oft discussed qualities of being president or high ranking official that helps make these decisions.

In terms of being a psychopath as well? You can't order drone strikes where know civilian casualties will occur or order young men n women into combat where they will definitely die, you just can't do that with out being a psychopath. Its not possible. That and being an ego maniac pretty much come with the territory of being president.

On that note frankly I'm surprised that you are surprised that ego maniacs and psychopaths run or country and always have run our country or any country for that matter.

Suggesting there is something" wrong" with me for mentioning that rather obvious and oft discussed quality about or highest ranking politicians is quite odd.

So yeah. There's that.

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[dckingsfan]

Interesting article by David Brooks... probably good advice for public people in this day and age.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/opinion/engaging-fanatics.html

[dckingsfan]

The Republican Party is unraveling like a ball of string!!
Cruz just backed Moore in Alabama and I think the Democrats have his seat on the radar in 2018.

Sounds like a R talking about the Ds in 2010. The parties will yo-yo back and forth since neither seems able to govern.

[cammac]

The finance minister in Canada just gave a economic message to the nation Canada had projected a $28 billion deficit at the 1st. of the year and after the 2nd quarter was reduced to $25 billion and with 3rd. quarter to $18.5 billion. In doing that he also reduced small business taxes from 10.5% this year to 10% next year and 9% the year after. He also announced giving $.5 billion package to lower paid workers so they can get off social assistance and with the Child Benefit act pegged it to inflation starting next year. These are plans that will benefit the working poor and middle income brackets. They are also working on a tax reform package that I'm sure will hit me in the wallet but I'm enough of a socialist that I dislike poverty in any country especially Canada.

[montestewart]

Interesting article by David Brooks... probably good advice for public people in this day and age.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/opinion/engaging-fanatics.html

Good article, not always so easy in practice, but I get some practice since I have a few friends and a close nephew who are a little on the fanatical side.

[Wizardspride]

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[DCZards]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

I think the chief reason that elected leaders kick the ball to the future is not because they're weak or don't care. It's because the nation's most deep-seated problems are extremely complex and there are no simple or easy solutions to most of them.

I'm not saying that these problems should not be addressed but addressing them is not an easy task. Real governing is tough stuff.

[CobraCommander]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

I think the chief reason that elected leaders kick the ball to the future is not because they're weak or don't care. It's because the nation's most deep-seated problems are extremely complex and there are no simple or easy solutions to most of them.

I'm not saying that these problems should not be addressed but addressing them is not an easy task. Real governing is tough stuff.

Give me an example of one of these problems that they have kicked the ball into the future that are so hard to address?

You mean like reasonable gun ownership laws- affordable medical care- workable immigration laws- police policies that protect citizens from misconduct from the POLICE- etc... I dont know if they kicking the ball to the future on these issues because they are hard or because the politicians are not principled enough to do what is right over SAYING what will get them reelected.

Notice how the republicans that are retiring are FINALLY speaking out in force against Trump. Where were these strong admonishments of Trump earlier this year? People are afraid that going against Trump will cost you because his base is vocal and active so they are scared to be a republican and anti Trump...which is disappointing. Dont get me wrong- the democrats dont have the moral high ground- all of the politicians check to see what the masses think THEN tell us what they think—WHICH IS RIDICULOUS and COWARDLY!

We are electing politicians to do what they think is right - We are NOT electing politicians to do our bidding. The citizens dont understand that we are not a pure democracy where the largest mob rules. If that was true we would probably still have Jim Crow laws and we wouldn’t let foreigners in to the USA. We need our politicians to lead...not poll the people and then pick the most popular answer to support.

If we want a government of referendum—we have the technology now to make that possible. But can you imagine how scary that would be? Imagine if pure popularity determined what we did as a country?!?!?! If pure popularity and not character determined our leaders we could end up with a reality tv star with no qualifications as a president and can you imagine how F’ed up that would be? And what if he played to the worse instincts of the people instead of encouraging and inspiring them to be better??? Can you imagine what the most base instinct of the deprived uneducated human mind will conjure? I can. But we dont have to imagine because we saw it happen in Germany in 1932.

[stilldropin20]

sooooooooooooooooooooo major major major news day!!! wow!!!!

looks like the Democrats are in for one helluva ride in the weeks to come. WOW!!! EXPLOSIVE STUFF COMING AND FROM MUELLER investigation. and trump (campaign) will be exonerated.

uranium 1? yeah that's real. I mean i knew it was real. lots coming on that and soon. Strong ties to Clinton foundation and DNC.

it looks like Paul Manaforte was actually working with the John Podesta group and the DNC and there is a money trail. wow!!!! i mean WOW!!!

also it looks like trump campaign had no collusion at all with Russia. None. Manaforte, was actually working with Podesta group the entire time did though. Looks like Bannon, Trump, or Conway sniffed it out manaforte early and canned manaforte STAT.

Yikes this is so juicy.

This entire (RUSSIA!!!) STORYLINE is about to flip onto the DNC and Clinton foundation (and Hillary). where it should have been the entire time.

Clinton campaign helped fund the entire trum dossier. which muller has found to be entirely false.

the entire Obama administration and "their attempted russian reset" is about to have serious explaining to do. money trail discovered.

strap in folks!!

Bottom line, there was no way I could vote for hillary over trump. no effin way. you are all about to find out why. Further bottom line? Bernie sanders should be president right now.

as for flake and Corker? lol dead weight. trump wasnt backing those candidates in 2018 nor 2020. so the GOP was going to drop their funding as the GOP is learning it cant beat the bannon/trump machine right now.

I have come to loathe lindsey gramm. but his stance on fox tonight was spot on. wow! strap the eff in!! its about to go down.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/24/clinton-campaign-dnc-helped-fund-research-that-led-to-salacious-trump-dossier-report-says.html

[stilldropin20]

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

I think the chief reason that elected leaders kick the ball to the future is not because they're weak or don't care. It's because the nation's most deep-seated problems are extremely complex and there are no simple or easy solutions to most of them.

I'm not saying that these problems should not be addressed but addressing them is not an easy task. Real governing is tough stuff.

Give me an example of one of these problems that they have kicked the ball into the future that are so hard to address?

You mean like reasonable gun ownership laws- affordable medical care- workable immigration laws- police policies that protect citizens from misconduct from the POLICE- etc... I dont know if they kicking the ball to the future on these issues because they are hard or because the politicians are not principled enough to do what is right over SAYING what will get them reelected.

Notice how the republicans that are retiring are FINALLY speaking out in force against Trump. Where were these strong admonishments of Trump earlier this year? People are afraid that going against Trump will cost you because his base is vocal and active so they are scared to be a republican and anti Trump...which is disappointing. Dont get me wrong- the democrats dont have the moral high ground- all of the politicians check to see what the masses think THEN tell us what they think—WHICH IS RIDICULOUS and COWARDLY!

We are electing politicians to do what they think is right - We are NOT electing politicians to do our bidding. The citizens dont understand that we are not a pure democracy where the largest mob rules. If that was true we would probably still have Jim Crow laws and we wouldn’t let foreigners in to the USA. We need our politicians to lead...not poll the people and then pick the most popular answer to support.

If we want a government of referendum—we have the technology now to make that possible. But can you imagine how scary that would be? Imagine if pure popularity determined what we did as a country?!?!?! If pure popularity and not character determined our leaders we could end up with a reality tv star with no qualifications as a president and can you imagine how F’ed up that would be? And what if he played to the worse instincts of the people instead of encouraging and inspiring them to be better??? Can you imagine what the most base instinct of the deprived uneducated human mind will conjure? I can. But we dont have to imagine because we saw it happen in Germany in 1932.

bannon and trump are creating their own coalition. 2018 and 2020 going to be a lot of changes. the dead weight is getting dropped. drain the swamp!!!!!

you guys may not like trump, his style, or just be hard core libs/dems no matter right or wrong (which seems to be the case tbh) but History is going to show trump to be on the right side of most of the issues. i can smell this one a mile away.

[Pointgod]

The Republican Party is unraveling like a ball of string!!
Cruz just backed Moore in Alabama and I think the Democrats have his seat on the radar in 2018.

Sounds like a R talking about the Ds in 2010. The parties will yo-yo back and forth since neither seems able to govern.

I know that under Obama the Democrats had a super majority for a coupe of months but when have Democrats shown they can't govern? Republicans have the executive, congress and senate and they haven't been able to pass a single piece of legislation. It seems like Republicans actually don't know how to govern and when it's a Democratic President they simply refuse to govern. Maybe there are other examples you can provide.

[stilldropin20]

The Republican Party is unraveling like a ball of string!!
Cruz just backed Moore in Alabama and I think the Democrats have his seat on the radar in 2018.

Sounds like a R talking about the Ds in 2010. The parties will yo-yo back and forth since neither seems able to govern.

I know that under Obama the Democrats had a super majority for a coupe of months but when have Democrats shown they can't govern? Republicans have the executive, congress and senate and they haven't been able to pass a single piece of legislation. It seems like Republicans actually don't know how to govern and when it's a Democratic President they simply refuse to govern. Maybe there are other examples you can provide.

that's actually one of trumps strengths and to use Ruzious terms, you guys cant see the forrest for th etrees. trump is actually willing to sign political suicide legislation. and its not suicide because its bad. its suicide because no one wants to touch it becuase you lose those swing votes. trump is the only guy since reagan willing to take on tax reform and immigration reform. No one in the modern era even tried to do the dirty work. just keep kicking it down the line so as not to lose swing voters like me.

We haven't seen a politician with the backbone of trump since reagan and may never see one in a long time. R's are just afraid to put legislation in front of him cuz he will actually sign it. and they dont have the cover he has with his base. they cant afford to lose swing voters.

btw, even the wash post is reporting tonight on uranium 1 tonight!!!! even the wash post!! lol bought time.

"breaking" Republicans finally launching investigations into trump dossier and uranium 1. Smoking guns all over the place. like i said, its about to go down.

CNN been lying to you guys for over a year on all of these things. Foz news and NY times more than2 years out in front on these things. wash post finally reporting. who will be last? my money is on CNN last to report, lol.

[popper]

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

I think the chief reason that elected leaders kick the ball to the future is not because they're weak or don't care. It's because the nation's most deep-seated problems are extremely complex and there are no simple or easy solutions to most of them.

I'm not saying that these problems should not be addressed but addressing them is not an easy task. Real governing is tough stuff.

Give me an example of one of these problems that they have kicked the ball into the future that are so hard to address?

You mean like reasonable gun ownership laws- affordable medical care- workable immigration laws- police policies that protect citizens from misconduct from the POLICE- etc... I dont know if they kicking the ball to the future on these issues because they are hard or because the politicians are not principled enough to do what is right over SAYING what will get them reelected.

Notice how the republicans that are retiring are FINALLY speaking out in force against Trump. Where were these strong admonishments of Trump earlier this year? People are afraid that going against Trump will cost you because his base is vocal and active so they are scared to be a republican and anti Trump...which is disappointing. Dont get me wrong- the democrats dont have the moral high ground- all of the politicians check to see what the masses think THEN tell us what they think—WHICH IS RIDICULOUS and COWARDLY!

We are electing politicians to do what they think is right - We are NOT electing politicians to do our bidding. The citizens dont understand that we are not a pure democracy where the largest mob rules. If that was true we would probably still have Jim Crow laws and we wouldn’t let foreigners in to the USA. We need our politicians to lead...not poll the people and then pick the most popular answer to support.

If we want a government of referendum—we have the technology now to make that possible. But can you imagine how scary that would be? Imagine if pure popularity determined what we did as a country?!?!?! If pure popularity and not character determined our leaders we could end up with a reality tv star with no qualifications as a president and can you imagine how F’ed up that would be? And what if he played to the worse instincts of the people instead of encouraging and inspiring them to be better??? Can you imagine what the most base instinct of the deprived uneducated human mind will conjure? I can. But we dont have to imagine because we saw it happen in Germany in 1932.

Bravo re: your basic point. Most politicians don’t make waves; they try to ride them. On the other hand they realize their careers will end if they exercise good judgement because their constituents will lose some benefit in the short term. It’s unfortunate that so many of the general public are either selfish and/or ignorant. You can see it on college campuses daily where some group or another is trying to shut down the free exchange of thought and ideas.

[stilldropin20]

Bill Clinton's russian speaking fee paid by the bank with ties to Putin and ties to Uranium 1. Hillary approved this deal as sec of state. $145Million poured into the Clinton foundation while she was sec of state during the 18 months while negotiating the many branches of the Uranium 1 deal most of which from overseas, Russia and the middle east.

Congress will also be launching investigation into Obama DOJ.

even the washington post finally reporting "Hillary clinton's campaign and DNC PAID for the entire research for the Trump Dossier."

lots and lots more coming. Fusion GPS is dirty as dirty. Dems and DNC have LIED to the american people. during the entire campaign. wow!!!! more coming!!

[Pointgod]

Sounds like a R talking about the Ds in 2010. The parties will yo-yo back and forth since neither seems able to govern.

I know that under Obama the Democrats had a super majority for a coupe of months but when have Democrats shown they can't govern? Republicans have the executive, congress and senate and they haven't been able to pass a single piece of legislation. It seems like Republicans actually don't know how to govern and when it's a Democratic President they simply refuse to govern. Maybe there are other examples you can provide.

that's actually one of trumps strengths and to use Ruzious terms, you guys cant see the forrest for th etrees. trump is actually willing to sign political suicide legislation. and its not suicide because its bad. its suicide because no one wants to touch it becuase you lose those swing votes. trump is the only guy since reagan willing to take on tax reform and immigration reform. No one in the modern era even tried to do the dirty work. just keep kicking it down the line so as not to lose swing voters like me.

We haven't seen a politician with the backbone of trump since reagan and may never see one in a long time. R's are just afraid to put legislation in front of him cuz he will actually sign it. and they dont have the cover he has with his base. they cant afford to lose swing voters.

btw, even the wash post is reporting tonight on uranium 1 tonight!!!! even the wash post!! lol bought time.

"breaking" Republicans finally launching investigations into trump dossier and uranium 1. Smoking guns all over the place. like i said, its about to go down.

CNN been lying to you guys for over a year on all of these things. Foz news and NY times more than2 years out in front on these things. wash post finally reporting. who will be last? my money is on CNN last to report, lol.

Will you promise to shut up when the uranium one investigation ends up like Benghazi and the Clinton email server and turns up nothing? It's funny that for a guy who supposedly has a low opinion of politicians you don't question the timing of the uranium one investigations and the dossier.

[Pointgod]

Bill Clinton's russian speaking fee paid by the bank with ties to Putin and ties to Uranium 1. Hillary approved this deal as sec of state. $145Million poured into the Clinton foundation while she was sec of state during the 18 months while negotiating the many branches of the Uranium 1 deal most of which from overseas, Russia and the middle east.

Congress will also be launching investigation into Obama DOJ.

even the washington post finally reporting [b]"Hillary clinton's campaign and DNC PAID for the entire research for the Trump Dossier."
[/b]
lots and lots more coming. Fusion GPS is dirty as dirty. Dems and DNC have LIED to the american people. during the entire campaign. wow!!!! more coming!!

You're just a tidal wave of misinformation. This part is simply a lie. Are you going to own up for misleading people on here?

[stilldropin20]

Bill Clinton's russian speaking fee paid by the bank with ties to Putin and ties to Uranium 1. Hillary approved this deal as sec of state. $145Million poured into the Clinton foundation while she was sec of state during the 18 months while negotiating the many branches of the Uranium 1 deal most of which from overseas, Russia and the middle east.

Congress will also be launching investigation into Obama DOJ.

even the washington post finally reporting [b]"Hillary clinton's campaign and DNC PAID for the entire research for the Trump Dossier."
[/b]
lots and lots more coming. Fusion GPS is dirty as dirty. Dems and DNC have LIED to the american people. during the entire campaign. wow!!!! more coming!!

You're just a tidal wave of misinformation. This part is simply a lie. Are you going to own up for misleading people on here?

strap in buddy. Investigation congressional investigations launching all over the place. this ride is going to be fun.

remember what they said. what doesn't break you will only make you stronger, they said.

BTW, DOJ has an FBI informant right now with evidence, tape recordings, everything, EVERYTHING! this informant has a a non disclosure with Clinton foundation. which is the only thing stopping his testimony.

as an american, YOU POINTGOD. YOu should want to know what this individual has to say. dont you want the truth!!?? The real question. do you want this person to testify?

[cammac]

Bill Clinton's russian speaking fee paid by the bank with ties to Putin and ties to Uranium 1. Hillary approved this deal as sec of state. $145Million poured into the Clinton foundation while she was sec of state during the 18 months while negotiating the many branches of the Uranium 1 deal most of which from overseas, Russia and the middle east.

Congress will also be launching investigation into Obama DOJ.

even the washington post finally reporting [b]"Hillary clinton's campaign and DNC PAID for the entire research for the Trump Dossier."
[/b]
lots and lots more coming. Fusion GPS is dirty as dirty. Dems and DNC have LIED to the american people. during the entire campaign. wow!!!! more coming!!

You're just a tidal wave of misinformation. This part is simply a lie. Are you going to own up for misleading people on here?

The Fusion initial client was a unnamed Republican whether it was another Presidential candidate who dropped out we don't know or if you want a conspiracy could be the RNC????? After the contract was terminated they went to the Clinton Campaign with the research and maybe even expanded the scope. Political research period but that is completely different than Donald Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner willing to work with Russia to get information on Clinton.