Political Roundtable Part XV

[Ruzious]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

Honestly, while you're not nearly as bad as SD, I think you're way off. They're not perfect people, and they have obvious and not so obvious limitations, but there are are a lot of good people trying to do good.

[cammac]

SD20 maybe you should read the news coverage from other countries and they all condemn the Trump administration.
The economy was doing fine under Obama with steady growth after the inherited recession and yes the economy has had a good run under Trump. But it is also going to have a correction then what?
ISIS was on the run well before Trump came into office.
The Trump administration hasn't done impact studies on what would happens economically if the USA pulls out of NAFTA.
I'm as much free enterprise as the next guy and have run my own businesses for 30 years but in doing that I had a plan and executed it. I know my limitations as a businessman and my weaknesses and insured I had others to compensate for my weaknesses. Unfortunately Trump has never been able to do that.

[Ruzious]

Republican Nate couldn't do it.

Republican Popper couldn't do it.

But Republican sd20, you win.

I gotta bow out of this thread for my own mental well being

for the last time,

Spoiler:

I'm indépendant!!!!!

Not to play gotcha, but didn't you start out in this thread saying you were a Democrat?

[stilldropin20]

fusion GPS did the "research on trump. the DNC/ Hillary campaign financed the trump dossier that fusion produced. now more appropriately called the clinton dossier.

what's more, is that it (strongly) looks like the FBI launched its entire "russia" investigation into trump based on this dossier.

Adam schiff (D) read large parts of completely unfounded dossier that has nothing more than "National enquire" level produced research and it was read into congressional inquiry. Once read into the congressional hearing, the FBI then used this to lauch the russia investigation.

so. a "dossier." funded in large part by Hillary and DNC was read into congressional hearing. The FBI launched an entire "Russia" investigation based on this dossier. and the dossier has the journalistic integrity of the national enquirer.

yes, you finally have the true story. there it is. and i know that none of (the 6 people pushing back so hardly in this thread) care because all 6 of you want nothing more than to destroy trump at all costs.

The "research" for this "dossier" was formed by a kremlin linked research firm. vladimir putin's opposition research firm. Same firm Putin hired to do opposition research on serge matnitski. who ended up dead, btw after he ran against Putin.

James Comey and the FBI solely used this trump dossier fauxformation(TM)-(how's that one monste?), even has more assonance. just flows odd the tongue...anyhow. FBI solely used the fauxformation to launch the entire "russia" investigation on trump.

wow! just wow!

meanwhile, the guy who set up the clinton server took the 5th. Cristopher steele(fusion GPS) is now taking the 5th.

so the actual russian collusion is with HRC and the DNC. meanwhile, as all this was happening, Bill Clinton was meeting on the tarmac with lerretta lynch. and Comey was calling the HRC investigation a "matter." As it turns out, the FBI actually does have an ongoing investigation into HRC going back to 2009 and Uranium One. More to come on this one.

[Pointgod]

Stilldroppinacid is an example of a low information voter on steroids lol He claims CNN lies all the time yet posts links from Fox News the cognitive dissonance is amazing

[Pointgod]

SD20 maybe you should read the news coverage from other countries and they all condemn the Trump administration.
The economy was doing fine under Obama with steady growth after the inherited recession and yes the economy has had a good run under Trump. But it is also going to have a correction then what?
ISIS was on the run well before Trump came into office.
The Trump administration hasn't done impact studies on what would happens economically if the USA pulls out of NAFTA.
I'm as much free enterprise as the next guy and have run my own businesses for 30 years but in doing that I had a plan and executed it. I know my limitations as a businessman and my weaknesses and insured I had others to compensate for my weaknesses. Unfortunately Trump has never been able to do that.

Forget it man. He belongs to the alt right now

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage

[stilldropin20]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

Honestly, while you're not nearly as bad as SD, I think you're way off. They're not perfect people, and they have obvious and not so obvious limitations, but there are are a lot of good people trying to do good.

ruz,

bought and paid for politicians brought us 400 years of slavery, then about 100 years of jim crow and segregation, while also bringing us a civil war here and multiple abroad, then WW1 and WW2 where 100 million people died. one. hundred. effing. million. people. died. they really did die. then they brought us vietnam, korea, Cuban sanctions, unfair policing and legal system where young black males are incarcerated at alarming rates, and i could go on and on and on. so could you.

Politicians brought us all of that Ruz. Not you. Not me. Not DCkingsfan. Not PointGod. Not cammac. Not nate33. Politicians brought us all of that.

and they have brought us the current divide america now finds itself. and "news" organizations have long been part of the political reach.

now if you want to take it a step further (and I certainly do) and come around to understand that those politicians are merely bought and paid for by the ruling class elite(and mostly bankers), then say so. like i do every 2-3 pages. but if you dont say so then say politicians have brought us all of these woes.

because somebody is guilty here. somebody's hands are dirty in this "mess" we have created on this wonderful planet. either the politicians themeselves or the ruling class that has bought and paid for their influence. I personally do not distinguish between the 2. they are both dirty as hell to me. and neither is off the hook. always 2 with the sith. the master and the apprentice.

and when the ruling class gets shook like they have been for about the past year. when these "politicians" are shook. and their resistance is strong. and the DC elite "lifer"politicians get shook...i happen to think that is a good thing. maybe someone new has come around and his or her fresh look is actually going to make things better. no matter how hard the ruling class and their media and paid for politicians push back.

[stilldropin20]

Republican Nate couldn't do it.

Republican Popper couldn't do it.

But Republican sd20, you win.

I gotta bow out of this thread for my own mental well being

for the last time,

Spoiler:

I'm indépendant!!!!!

Not to play gotcha, but didn't you start out in this thread saying you were a Democrat?

yes, i still am a lifelong registered democrat. but i am an true independant. always have been. strictly voted (D) my entire life including for bernie. (to keep hillary out). I was onto this uranium one thing in 2015 when it was first brought to light by the NYtimes.

but right now I support the CIC and the office of the president. not trump, himself, per se as i dont like his optics. but i do support the idea of trump. a true renegade. i like most of his policies. and they are working.

[popper]

Republican Nate couldn't do it.

Republican Popper couldn't do it.

But Republican sd20, you win.

I gotta bow out of this thread for my own mental well being

For the record I'm glad I didn't run you off Wizardspride. Hope you return soon. I enjoy reading your posts.

[Ruzious]

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

Honestly, while you're not nearly as bad as SD, I think you're way off. They're not perfect people, and they have obvious and not so obvious limitations, but there are are a lot of good people trying to do good.

ruz,

bought and paid for politicians brought us 400 years of slavery, then about 100 years of jim crow and segregation, while also bringing us a civil war here and multiple abroad, then WW1 and WW2 where 100 million people died. one. hundred. effing. million. people. died. they really did die. then they brought us vietnam, korea, Cuban sanctions, unfair policing and legal system where young black males are incarcerated at alarming rates, and i could go on and on and on. so could you.

Politicians brought us all of that Ruz. Not you. Not me. Not DCkingsfan. Not PointGod. Not cammac. Not nate33. Politicians brought us all of that.

and they have brought us the current divide america now finds itself. and "news" organizations have long been part of the political reach.

now if you want to take it a step further (and I certainly do) and come around to understand that those politicians are merely bought and paid for by the ruling class elite(and mostly bankers), then say so. like i do every 2-3 pages. but if you dont say so then say politicians have brought us all of these woes.

because somebody is guilty here. somebody's hands are dirty in this "mess" we have created on this wonderful planet. either the politicians themeselves or the ruling class that has bought and paid for their influence. I personally do not distinguish between the 2. they are both dirty as hell to me. and neither is off the hook. always 2 with the sith. the master and the apprentice.

and when the ruling class gets shook like they have been for about the past year. when these "politicians" are shook. and their resistance is strong. and the DC elite "lifer"politicians get shook...i happen to think that is a good thing. maybe someone new has come around and his or her fresh look is actually going to make things better. no matter how hard the ruling class and their media and paid for politicians push back.

Are you sure you're not a carny barker instead of a dentist that still runs a 4.4 40?

[stilldropin20]

Honestly, while you're not nearly as bad as SD, I think you're way off. They're not perfect people, and they have obvious and not so obvious limitations, but there are are a lot of good people trying to do good.

ruz,

bought and paid for politicians brought us 400 years of slavery, then about 100 years of jim crow and segregation, while also bringing us a civil war here and multiple abroad, then WW1 and WW2 where 100 million people died. one. hundred. effing. million. people. died. they really did die. then they brought us vietnam, korea, Cuban sanctions, unfair policing and legal system where young black males are incarcerated at alarming rates, and i could go on and on and on. so could you.

Politicians brought us all of that Ruz. Not you. Not me. Not DCkingsfan. Not PointGod. Not cammac. Not nate33. Politicians brought us all of that.

and they have brought us the current divide america now finds itself. and "news" organizations have long been part of the political reach.

now if you want to take it a step further (and I certainly do) and come around to understand that those politicians are merely bought and paid for by the ruling class elite(and mostly bankers), then say so. like i do every 2-3 pages. but if you dont say so then say politicians have brought us all of these woes.

because somebody is guilty here. somebody's hands are dirty in this "mess" we have created on this wonderful planet. either the politicians themeselves or the ruling class that has bought and paid for their influence. I personally do not distinguish between the 2. they are both dirty as hell to me. and neither is off the hook. always 2 with the sith. the master and the apprentice.

and when the ruling class gets shook like they have been for about the past year. when these "politicians" are shook. and their resistance is strong. and the DC elite "lifer"politicians get shook...i happen to think that is a good thing. maybe someone new has come around and his or her fresh look is actually going to make things better. no matter how hard the ruling class and their media and paid for politicians push back.

Are you sure you're not a carny barker instead of a dentist that still runs a 4.4 40?

damn y'all got some good ass memories. 4.5(though i wouldnt be surprised if i wrote 4.4 ). at 46 i'm lucky to run a 6.5. gittin' old!!

but anyhow, deflect much? what say you about these so called "good" politicians?

[stilldropin20]

SD20 maybe you should read the news coverage from other countries and they all condemn the Trump administration.
The economy was doing fine under Obama with steady growth after the inherited recession and yes the economy has had a good run under Trump. But it is also going to have a correction then what?
ISIS was on the run well before Trump came into office.
The Trump administration hasn't done impact studies on what would happens economically if the USA pulls out of NAFTA.
I'm as much free enterprise as the next guy and have run my own businesses for 30 years but in doing that I had a plan and executed it. I know my limitations as a businessman and my weaknesses and insured I had others to compensate for my weaknesses. Unfortunately Trump has never been able to do that.

i actually do get most of my information form multiple sources. BBC, CNN, wapost watimes, nytime, new yorker, fox, and to many surprises Ive never clicked on breitbart once in my entire life. ive read stuff from there linked elsewhere but never gave them or limabauch much airspace in my head, i get enough of that perspective from hannity.

i watch and read so much "news" that I cant to who on here almost solely gets their stories from one place or 2 sources. and from where.

you guys really need to broaden your sources.

[I_Like_Dirt]

because somebody is guilty here. somebody's hands are dirty in this "mess" we have created on this wonderful planet. either the politicians themeselves or the ruling class that has bought and paid for their influence. I personally do not distinguish between the 2. they are both dirty as hell to me. and neither is off the hook. always 2 with the sith. the master and the apprentice.

You know what, SD, this is a prime example of where I feel responsibility is just so lacking. I agree with the overarching sentiment of wealth exerting extensive control and there is a certainly a fair share of blame that can be directed that way.

The reality, though, is that we live in a democracy and so when you suggest that somebody is guilty, the reality is we all are. You are guilty, I am guilty, everyone is guilty. That guilt comes in varying degrees on a wide spectrum, but people don't have to close their minds and think of things as a 2-party system. People don't have to choose not to run or take action in civil society. What can one person do? Well that's a good question. One person can do quite a lot, but in reality it is much harder for one person to do it all which is where we bear a collective guilt, because collectively, we're all asking for others to do things for us which is why we find ourselves with the problems we have today. Collectively, the population (you included) need to rise up and accept responsibility for our reality and take ownership of our responsibilities as well as our rights, and only then will we really stand a chance at making tangible change for the better. And I will say, you don't seem particularly interested in doing that at all, less so than pretty much anyone else in this thread from what I can tell, to the point where you'd rather confiscate everything and risk a revolution than take ownership of anything.

[Pointgod]

Republican Nate couldn't do it.

Republican Popper couldn't do it.

But Republican sd20, you win.

I gotta bow out of this thread for my own mental well being

Don't leave buddy. You're one of the best contributors to this thread. Don't let trolls win.

[stilldropin20]

because somebody is guilty here. somebody's hands are dirty in this "mess" we have created on this wonderful planet. either the politicians themeselves or the ruling class that has bought and paid for their influence. I personally do not distinguish between the 2. they are both dirty as hell to me. and neither is off the hook. always 2 with the sith. the master and the apprentice.

You know what, SD, this is a prime example of where I feel responsibility is just so lacking. I agree with the overarching sentiment of wealth exerting extensive control and there is a certainly a fair share of blame that can be directed that way.

The reality, though, is that we live in a democracy and so when you suggest that somebody is guilty, the reality is we all are. You are guilty, I am guilty, everyone is guilty. That guilt comes in varying degrees on a wide spectrum, but people don't have to close their minds and think of things as a 2-party system. People don't have to choose not to run or take action in civil society. What can one person do? Well that's a good question. One person can do quite a lot, but in reality it is much harder for one person to do it all which is where we bear a collective guilt, because collectively, we're all asking for others to do things for us which is why we find ourselves with the problems we have today. Collectively, the population (you included) need to rise up and accept responsibility for our reality and take ownership of our responsibilities as well as our rights, and only then will we really stand a chance at making tangible change for the better. And I will say, you don't seem particularly interested in doing that at all, less so than pretty much anyone else in this thread from what I can tell, to the point where you'd rather confiscate everything and risk a revolution than take ownership of anything.

well at least one person's eyes appear to be open!!!

which is "what I am doing."

I'm attempting to make people open their own damn eyes and seeing shxt for what it really is. thats the beginning. we are that deep in the rabbit hole to where we dont even know what it truth anymore. and perhaps we never did. but thats got to stop. we need to make our politicians stop lying to us first and foremost.

[stilldropin20]

Republican Nate couldn't do it.

Republican Popper couldn't do it.

But Republican sd20, you win.

I gotta bow out of this thread for my own mental well being

Don't leave buddy. You're one of the best contributors to this thread. Don't let trolls win.

pot, meet kettle.

[cammac]

We live by a daily news cycle and major events take over what media covers and what is today's news ellipsis previous headlines. A perfect example is Las Vegas with 58 people killed and 500+ wounded it was a terrible tragedy. But since that time 800 people have been killed with guns and over 2800 wounded. This is amazing and illustrates the everyday problem facing the American populace. But the NRA always wins and nothing is ever done about it.

[montestewart]

I read all of STD's posts for the same reason I used to read all of hands' posts. I read fast. I would prefer more (and more concise) counterpoints, but however offbeat they might sound, he is offering positions to rebut. In his own way, he's helping prevent a true echo chamber, while never shying away from the truly absurdist nature of American politics. I imagine a debate between STD and hands. Wow!

Stick around, Wizardspride!

[Ruzious]

damn y'all got some good ass memories. 4.5(though i wouldnt be surprised if i wrote 4.4 ). at 46 i'm lucky to run a 6.5. gittin' old!!

but anyhow, deflect much? what say you about these so called "good" politicians?

Hey, I'm impressed with the honesty. Age is starting to beat the crap out of me, so you'd still out-run me. I just think you're wrong to demonize all of them - realizing they're under a microscope held by scum who intentionally distort the truth - such as Fox "News" and some that make Fox "News" seem not so moronic. Calling main-stream media fake news while praising Fox and the low end scum that right wing wacko's typically quote is laughably pathetic - stranger than fiction.

[I_Like_Dirt]

well at least one person's eyes appear to be open!!!

which is "what I am doing."

I'm attempting to make people open their own damn eyes and seeing shxt for what it really is. thats the beginning. we are that deep in the rabbit hole to where we dont even know what it truth anymore. and perhaps we never did. but thats got to stop. we need to make our politicians stop lying to us first and foremost.

I try to keep my eyes as open as possible. You aren't opening any eyes. Nor does any of what you claim to be/be doing assist in stopping politicians from lying to the public. And to be honest, I'd suggest that politicians lying to the public is more symptom than cause. People basically want to be lied to, or at the very least they don't care about it. The truth is hard and people don't want to hear things that tell them that maybe they aren't as special as they think they are. They'd much rather have a historically traditional leader tell them that it's someone else's fault. Politicians will stop lying when the public at large grows up. Unfortunately, right now it's growing down, and you with it, from what I can tell. Right now, America is at a very dangerous historical crossroads at a time when technology is moving faster than ever making mistakes more dangerous than ever before, and yet appear poised to repeat one of the most commonly repeated historical mistakes.