Political Roundtable Part XV

[Pointgod]

because somebody is guilty here. somebody's hands are dirty in this "mess" we have created on this wonderful planet. either the politicians themeselves or the ruling class that has bought and paid for their influence. I personally do not distinguish between the 2. they are both dirty as hell to me. and neither is off the hook. always 2 with the sith. the master and the apprentice.

You know what, SD, this is a prime example of where I feel responsibility is just so lacking. I agree with the overarching sentiment of wealth exerting extensive control and there is a certainly a fair share of blame that can be directed that way.

The reality, though, is that we live in a democracy and so when you suggest that somebody is guilty, the reality is we all are. You are guilty, I am guilty, everyone is guilty. That guilt comes in varying degrees on a wide spectrum, but people don't have to close their minds and think of things as a 2-party system. People don't have to choose not to run or take action in civil society. What can one person do? Well that's a good question. One person can do quite a lot, but in reality it is much harder for one person to do it all which is where we bear a collective guilt, because collectively, we're all asking for others to do things for us which is why we find ourselves with the problems we have today. Collectively, the population (you included) need to rise up and accept responsibility for our reality and take ownership of our responsibilities as well as our rights, and only then will we really stand a chance at making tangible change for the better. And I will say, you don't seem particularly interested in doing that at all, less so than pretty much anyone else in this thread from what I can tell, to the point where you'd rather confiscate everything and risk a revolution than take ownership of anything.

Every citizen in every country complain about their governments. Even the most progressive democratic countries in the world can't please all of their citizens. Politics involve a variety of variables and tradeoffs which the results might not be realized for years down the line. That's why the whole idea behind some global conspiracy of bankers is pretty damn stupid. You don't need to plot when the whole system built around making the rich richer.

There are countries that are able to regulate this better than others but in America literally everything is for sale. If people voted around issues such as climate change, healthcare, equal rights for all, education, corporate oversight and instead always thinking who will put more money in my pocket then you'd solve a lot of the problems you have today and you would have an imperfect but functioning government.

[cammac]

because somebody is guilty here. somebody's hands are dirty in this "mess" we have created on this wonderful planet. either the politicians themeselves or the ruling class that has bought and paid for their influence. I personally do not distinguish between the 2. they are both dirty as hell to me. and neither is off the hook. always 2 with the sith. the master and the apprentice.

You know what, SD, this is a prime example of where I feel responsibility is just so lacking. I agree with the overarching sentiment of wealth exerting extensive control and there is a certainly a fair share of blame that can be directed that way.

The reality, though, is that we live in a democracy and so when you suggest that somebody is guilty, the reality is we all are. You are guilty, I am guilty, everyone is guilty. That guilt comes in varying degrees on a wide spectrum, but people don't have to close their minds and think of things as a 2-party system. People don't have to choose not to run or take action in civil society. What can one person do? Well that's a good question. One person can do quite a lot, but in reality it is much harder for one person to do it all which is where we bear a collective guilt, because collectively, we're all asking for others to do things for us which is why we find ourselves with the problems we have today. Collectively, the population (you included) need to rise up and accept responsibility for our reality and take ownership of our responsibilities as well as our rights, and only then will we really stand a chance at making tangible change for the better. And I will say, you don't seem particularly interested in doing that at all, less so than pretty much anyone else in this thread from what I can tell, to the point where you'd rather confiscate everything and risk a revolution than take ownership of anything.

Every citizen in every country complain about their governments. Even the most progressive democratic countries in the world can't please all of their citizens. Politics involve a variety of variables and tradeoffs which the results might not be realized for years down the line. That's why the whole idea behind some global conspiracy of bankers is pretty damn stupid. You don't need to plot when the whole system built around making the rich richer.

There are countries that are able to regulate this better than others but in America literally everything is for sale. If people voted around issues such as climate change, healthcare, equal rights for all, education, corporate oversight and instead always thinking who will put more money in my pocket then you'd solve a lot of the problems you have today and you would have an imperfect but functioning government.

I agree with you! I'm a fiscal conservative but a social liberal. In the last federal election I was in riding where Liberals always finished 3rd. I felt the Conservatives did a bad job so I voted NDP which is the furthest left of any Canadian party. Next year is a Provincial election and the Liberals are in power but the Premier has done a terrible job and the Conservatives are too far right on social issues. So again I'm voting NDP unless something happens to change my mind in this case it may be wasted vote since I now live in a very Conservative riding. But you can bet I will be at the all candidates meeting asking tough questions to each candidate.

[stilldropin20]

damn y'all got some good ass memories. 4.5(though i wouldnt be surprised if i wrote 4.4 ). at 46 i'm lucky to run a 6.5. gittin' old!!

but anyhow, deflect much? what say you about these so called "good" politicians?

Hey, I'm impressed with the honesty. Age is starting to beat the crap out of me, so you'd still out-run me. I just think you're wrong to demonize all of them - realizing they're under a microscope held by scum who intentionally distort the truth - such as Fox "News" and some that make Fox "News" seem not so moronic. Calling main-stream media fake news while praising Fox and the low end scum that right wing wacko's typically quote is laughably pathetic - stranger than fiction.

thats just it tho. CNN is just as bad as fox. both are simply partisan hacks. neither is news. the partisan hacks like you and me that are posting in this thread however seem to believe that CNN is righteous and FOX and brietbarb are just liars.

both are "lying" my friend. both are strongly pushing their own agendas. CCN was and remains pro Obama. pro liberal. Pro globalism. 70% of Fox and 90% brietbart is pro Trump. pro nationalism.

you cant call one a liar without calling both a liar. or more simply, in your world where evil people dont exist, neither is lying and both are simply supporting their own well-intended agendas. However way you want to look at it the logic dictates that the middle ground is the where you will find some semblance of the truth.

the 7 or 8 active posters in this thread are simply not interested in the middle ground. I asked a poster to negotiate on daca last week. I said, give me funding on the wall and I'll give you daca. which is clearly where trump and schumer are on a bipartisan immigration reform. that poster said no deal. wall unreasonable. as if reason has anything to do with compromise.

bottom line the 7-8 libs posting on here simply have their eyes completely closed. no discussion whatsoever. simply peddling CNN misinformation campaign to destroy anything "trump." still in denial that trump won? I guess? thought we'd get past this by now and could negotiate?

for example huge day in the news yesterday and I broke most of the stuff for you guys here on realgm. CNN barely talking about it today. and ive had CNN on since 530am. just went to fox an hour ago.

which brings me to another point. about 2-3 poster keep referring to me as uninformed. i read the WSJ, wapost, watimes, nytimes, and have fox, aljezeera, BBC, and cnn on all day long for the past 3 years...like 10-12 hours per day of various "news." not sure who on earth is more informed. I can predict how each journalist will respond the the breaking story of the day. i know all of their agendas as well as they know their own agendas. and as a hobby, ive been following the money on who owns these "news sources" for the same 3 year period. call it a hobby. and then been following the money on a lot of political chanels and politicians.

adn i'm telling you guys. trump may be many things, including a political kamikaze. but he is not dirty in terms of political influence. not sure yet if he ever cheated on his taxes, but I doubt it. or fondled some secretary. or used even worse language than we've already heard. most if not nearly all of that doesn't matter to me. i care about big ball politics. national and world agendas. game changing politics. and trump's policies have legs. My 3 years of research 10-12 hours per day have led me to believe that this is a good man with an agenda that will best help everyday americans. and because he has his heart in the right place he isn't afraid to name names and sign difficult legislation. something politicians have kicked down the road to the next guy for decades. trumps is willing to pick up that can and put his name on it.

and i just dont think you guys fully grasp how rare that is in american politics. This is a rare moment in time. and nearly everyone but fox, briethbart and his base is against him. even this thread, 9 of 10 posters in this thread are 100% against him. just like 90% of what was reported on CNN had an anti-trump bias.

[DCZards]

come on. tax reform. immigration reform. yes the wall. daca. repeal and replace. House was in lock step. the senate got shook. for now. trump and bannon are working on shaking the dead weight. and get legislators in there that will legislate.

oh. and ISIL is about dead. told the iranians this is a bad deal. north korea? no ton trumps watch.

did i mention the economy? did i mention the credit markets are open? did i mention unemployment at a 20 year low.

Did you mention that, at this point, Trump has done absolutely nothing--except talk about it-- when it comes to tax reform and immigration reform?

Did you mention that most smart people--both domestically and internationally--thought ending the Iranian deal was a dumb idea?

Did you mention that the previous president deserves most of the credit for the improved economy and the low unemployment rate? And that #45 is just riding on Obama's coattails.

[montestewart]

12 hours a day of news, posting on RealGM all day long, being a real estate mogul, running marathons, pleasing the ladies (more marathons), and on top of that, pulling legs, er, teeth. 5000 a year. It ain't easy, but someone's gotta do it.

[stilldropin20]

12 hours a day of news, posting on RealGM all day long, being a real estate mogul, running marathons, pleasing the ladies (more marathons), and on top of that, pulling legs, er, teeth. 5000 a year. It ain't easy, but someone's gotta do it.

"mogul" lol. but, i already fell for ruz's, deflection earlier. Anyhow, what if everything i ever wrote on here is true? actually true. and really did happen? what if?

[DCZards]

i feel badly for you guys that strictly follow one source of news. and its clear that you guys almost exclusively follow far left sources. it puts you in a bubble.

you guys dont even know that Corker and Flake are dead men walking. 2 guys that trump would not support, so they cant get re-elected without his support. Flake himself finally said so this morning.

so to grand stand on the way out he is taking some kind of moral superiority stand as if morals have anything to do with it.

The issue isn't whether Corker and Flake are capable of winning re-election. The issue is whether the two senators are speaking truth to power when they say that Trump is a habitual liar and scumbag whose reckless tongue and tweets are endangering all of us.

You're the one we should feel badly for if you don't recognize that reality.

[montestewart]

12 hours a day of news, posting on RealGM all day long, being a real estate mogul, running marathons, pleasing the ladies (more marathons), and on top of that, pulling legs, er, teeth. 5000 a year. It ain't easy, but someone's gotta do it.

"mogul" lol. but, i already fell for ruz's, deflection earlier. Anyhow, what if everything i ever wrote on here is true? actually true. and really did happen? what if?

Was or wasn't, I'm just a singer in a rock and roll band

[cammac]

12 hours a day of news, posting on RealGM all day long, being a real estate mogul, running marathons, pleasing the ladies (more marathons), and on top of that, pulling legs, er, teeth. 5000 a year. It ain't easy, but someone's gotta do it.

You beat me too it!
I tend to be old fashioned watch very little on the tube but do watch Don Lemon regularly on CNN. He is the one most hated but on balance has a diversity of liberals and conservatives on his show. The only guests I tend to tune out are the Trump apologists who say what is on there mind usually White House talking points and the interrupt the other guests.

SD20 please defend these 2 potential Senators Moore & Ward and what they would do to further Democracy in the USA????

[Kanyewest]

damn y'all got some good ass memories. 4.5(though i wouldnt be surprised if i wrote 4.4 ). at 46 i'm lucky to run a 6.5. gittin' old!!

but anyhow, deflect much? what say you about these so called "good" politicians?

Hey, I'm impressed with the honesty. Age is starting to beat the crap out of me, so you'd still out-run me. I just think you're wrong to demonize all of them - realizing they're under a microscope held by scum who intentionally distort the truth - such as Fox "News" and some that make Fox "News" seem not so moronic. Calling main-stream media fake news while praising Fox and the low end scum that right wing wacko's typically quote is laughably pathetic - stranger than fiction.

thats just it tho. CNN is just as bad as fox. both are simply partisan hacks. neither is news. the partisan hacks like you and me that are posting in this thread however seem to believe that CNN is righteous and FOX and brietbarb are just liars.

both are "lying" my friend. both are strongly pushing their own agendas. CCN was and remains pro Obama. pro liberal. Pro globalism. 70% of Fox and 90% brietbart is pro Trump. pro nationalism.

you cant call one a liar without calling both a liar. or more simply, in your world where evil people dont exist, neither is lying and both are simply supporting their own well-intended agendas. However way you want to look at it the logic dictates that the middle ground is the where you will find some semblance of the truth.

the 7 or 8 active posters in this thread are simply not interested in the middle ground. I asked a poster to negotiate on daca last week. I said, give me funding on the wall and I'll give you daca. which is clearly where trump and schumer are on a bipartisan immigration reform. that poster said no deal. wall unreasonable. as if reason has anything to do with compromise.

bottom line the 7-8 libs posting on here simply have their eyes completely closed. no discussion whatsoever. simply peddling CNN misinformation campaign to destroy anything "trump." still in denial that trump won? I guess? thought we'd get past this by now and could negotiate?

for example huge day in the news yesterday and I broke most of the stuff for you guys here on realgm. CNN barely talking about it today. and ive had CNN on since 530am. just went to fox an hour ago.

which brings me to another point. about 2-3 poster keep referring to me as uninformed. i read the WSJ, wapost, watimes, nytimes, and have fox, aljezeera, BBC, and cnn on all day long for the past 3 years...like 10-12 hours per day of various "news." not sure who on earth is more informed. I can predict how each journalist will respond the the breaking story of the day. i know all of their agendas as well as they know their own agendas. and as a hobby, ive been following the money on who owns these "news sources" for the same 3 year period. call it a hobby. and then been following the money on a lot of political chanels and politicians.

adn i'm telling you guys. trump may be many things, including a political kamikaze. but he is not dirty in terms of political influence. not sure yet if he ever cheated on his taxes, but I doubt it. or fondled some secretary. or used even worse language than we've already heard. most if not nearly all of that doesn't matter to me. i care about big ball politics. national and world agendas. game changing politics. and trump's policies have legs. My 3 years of research 10-12 hours per day have led me to believe that this is a good man with an agenda that will best help everyday americans. and because he has his heart in the right place he isn't afraid to name names and sign difficult legislation. something politicians have kicked down the road to the next guy for decades. trumps is willing to pick up that can and put his name on it.

and i just dont think you guys fully grasp how rare that is in american politics. This is a rare moment in time. and nearly everyone but fox, briethbart and his base is against him. even this thread, 9 of 10 posters in this thread are 100% against him. just like 90% of what was reported on CNN had an anti-trump bias.

I agree that CNN has a left-centrist bias. This was especially telling in the Democratic primary in their treatment of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. However, I don't think Fox News is anti-globalism either especially since they were trying to run off Trump in the Republican primary. Overall, though just because something has a bias doesn't mean the new alternative (ie Breitbart) is going to be better.

[DCZards]

Republican Nate couldn't do it.

Republican Popper couldn't do it.

But Republican sd20, you win.

I gotta bow out of this thread for my own mental well being

for the last time,

Spoiler:

I'm indépendant!!!!!

Not to play gotcha, but didn't you start out in this thread saying you were a Democrat?

Isn't it pretty obvious by now that SD20 has something in common in Trump--he lies a lot.

[stilldropin20]

12 hours a day of news, posting on RealGM all day long, being a real estate mogul, running marathons, pleasing the ladies (more marathons), and on top of that, pulling legs, er, teeth. 5000 a year. It ain't easy, but someone's gotta do it.

You beat me too it!
I tend to be old fashioned watch very little on the tube but do watch Don Lemon regularly on CNN. He is the one most hated but on balance has a diversity of liberals and conservatives on his show. The only guests I tend to tune out are the Trump apologists who say what is on there mind usually White House talking points and the interrupt the other guests.

SD20 please defend these 2 potential Senators Moore & Ward and what they would do to further Democracy in the USA????

i like Don because he is good at what he does. so i respect him for doing his job well and he seems like a cool guy. but he is a fricking partisan hack if i ever saw one. he goes up against hannity for a reason. both pure partisan hacks.

the only difference is Lemon has the high ground on the faux social polish of the left and hannity has the higher ground on backing an actual better candidate with better policy, now president, on the actual issues and the actual record.


anyway, im' out. i'll be back when more stuff breaks with these investigations. cant wait!!

[Ruzious]

damn y'all got some good ass memories. 4.5(though i wouldnt be surprised if i wrote 4.4 ). at 46 i'm lucky to run a 6.5. gittin' old!!

but anyhow, deflect much? what say you about these so called "good" politicians?

Hey, I'm impressed with the honesty. Age is starting to beat the crap out of me, so you'd still out-run me. I just think you're wrong to demonize all of them - realizing they're under a microscope held by scum who intentionally distort the truth - such as Fox "News" and some that make Fox "News" seem not so moronic. Calling main-stream media fake news while praising Fox and the low end scum that right wing wacko's typically quote is laughably pathetic - stranger than fiction.

thats just it tho. CNN is just as bad as fox. both are simply partisan hacks. neither is news. the partisan hacks like you and me that are posting in this thread however seem to believe that CNN is righteous and FOX and brietbarb are just liars.

both are "lying" my friend. both are strongly pushing their own agendas. CCN was and remains pro Obama. pro liberal. Pro globalism. 70% of Fox and 90% brietbart is pro Trump. pro nationalism.

you cant call one a liar without calling both a liar. or more simply, in your world where evil people dont exist, neither is lying and both are simply supporting their own well-intended agendas. However way you want to look at it the logic dictates that the middle ground is the where you will find some semblance of the truth.

the 7 or 8 active posters in this thread are simply not interested in the middle ground. I asked a poster to negotiate on daca last week. I said, give me funding on the wall and I'll give you daca. which is clearly where trump and schumer are on a bipartisan immigration reform. that poster said no deal. wall unreasonable. as if reason has anything to do with compromise.

bottom line the 7-8 libs posting on here simply have their eyes completely closed. no discussion whatsoever. simply peddling CNN misinformation campaign to destroy anything "trump." still in denial that trump won? I guess? thought we'd get past this by now and could negotiate?

for example huge day in the news yesterday and I broke most of the stuff for you guys here on realgm. CNN barely talking about it today. and ive had CNN on since 530am. just went to fox an hour ago.

which brings me to another point. about 2-3 poster keep referring to me as uninformed. i read the WSJ, wapost, watimes, nytimes, and have fox, aljezeera, BBC, and cnn on all day long for the past 3 years...like 10-12 hours per day of various "news." not sure who on earth is more informed. I can predict how each journalist will respond the the breaking story of the day. i know all of their agendas as well as they know their own agendas. and as a hobby, ive been following the money on who owns these "news sources" for the same 3 year period. call it a hobby. and then been following the money on a lot of political chanels and politicians.

adn i'm telling you guys. trump may be many things, including a political kamikaze. but he is not dirty in terms of political influence. not sure yet if he ever cheated on his taxes, but I doubt it. or fondled some secretary. or used even worse language than we've already heard. most if not nearly all of that doesn't matter to me. i care about big ball politics. national and world agendas. game changing politics. and trump's policies have legs. My 3 years of research 10-12 hours per day have led me to believe that this is a good man with an agenda that will best help everyday americans. and because he has his heart in the right place he isn't afraid to name names and sign difficult legislation. something politicians have kicked down the road to the next guy for decades. trumps is willing to pick up that can and put his name on it.

and i just dont think you guys fully grasp how rare that is in american politics. This is a rare moment in time. and nearly everyone but fox, briethbart and his base is against him. even this thread, 9 of 10 posters in this thread are 100% against him. just like 90% of what was reported on CNN had an anti-trump bias.

Honestly, if Hitler was President, and the mainstream media criticised him more than put his actions in a positive light, I think you would say that shows their bias - they're liars. When the President is that bad, OF COURSE the media is going to show negativity! I think you and your kind (God help you, seriously) don't truly understand that. It sounds obvious, and on paper you might get it - but you don't really get it.

And before you said all politicians are basically pure evil, but here you're saying you don't think Trump cheated on his taxes... I mean... that's the definition of insanity. If he read your post, he's laughing and saying "I told you my people would believe anything I say - no matter how ridiculous." There's a reason he's actually said he could kill a man in broad daylight and not lose support. In the immortal words of Houbastank, the reason is you (and others like you).

[stilldropin20]

Hey, I'm impressed with the honesty. Age is starting to beat the crap out of me, so you'd still out-run me. I just think you're wrong to demonize all of them - realizing they're under a microscope held by scum who intentionally distort the truth - such as Fox "News" and some that make Fox "News" seem not so moronic. Calling main-stream media fake news while praising Fox and the low end scum that right wing wacko's typically quote is laughably pathetic - stranger than fiction.

thats just it tho. CNN is just as bad as fox. both are simply partisan hacks. neither is news. the partisan hacks like you and me that are posting in this thread however seem to believe that CNN is righteous and FOX and brietbarb are just liars.

both are "lying" my friend. both are strongly pushing their own agendas. CCN was and remains pro Obama. pro liberal. Pro globalism. 70% of Fox and 90% brietbart is pro Trump. pro nationalism.

you cant call one a liar without calling both a liar. or more simply, in your world where evil people dont exist, neither is lying and both are simply supporting their own well-intended agendas. However way you want to look at it the logic dictates that the middle ground is the where you will find some semblance of the truth.

the 7 or 8 active posters in this thread are simply not interested in the middle ground. I asked a poster to negotiate on daca last week. I said, give me funding on the wall and I'll give you daca. which is clearly where trump and schumer are on a bipartisan immigration reform. that poster said no deal. wall unreasonable. as if reason has anything to do with compromise.

bottom line the 7-8 libs posting on here simply have their eyes completely closed. no discussion whatsoever. simply peddling CNN misinformation campaign to destroy anything "trump." still in denial that trump won? I guess? thought we'd get past this by now and could negotiate?

for example huge day in the news yesterday and I broke most of the stuff for you guys here on realgm. CNN barely talking about it today. and ive had CNN on since 530am. just went to fox an hour ago.

which brings me to another point. about 2-3 poster keep referring to me as uninformed. i read the WSJ, wapost, watimes, nytimes, and have fox, aljezeera, BBC, and cnn on all day long for the past 3 years...like 10-12 hours per day of various "news." not sure who on earth is more informed. I can predict how each journalist will respond the the breaking story of the day. i know all of their agendas as well as they know their own agendas. and as a hobby, ive been following the money on who owns these "news sources" for the same 3 year period. call it a hobby. and then been following the money on a lot of political chanels and politicians.

adn i'm telling you guys. trump may be many things, including a political kamikaze. but he is not dirty in terms of political influence. not sure yet if he ever cheated on his taxes, but I doubt it. or fondled some secretary. or used even worse language than we've already heard. most if not nearly all of that doesn't matter to me. i care about big ball politics. national and world agendas. game changing politics. and trump's policies have legs. My 3 years of research 10-12 hours per day have led me to believe that this is a good man with an agenda that will best help everyday americans. and because he has his heart in the right place he isn't afraid to name names and sign difficult legislation. something politicians have kicked down the road to the next guy for decades. trumps is willing to pick up that can and put his name on it.

and i just dont think you guys fully grasp how rare that is in american politics. This is a rare moment in time. and nearly everyone but fox, briethbart and his base is against him. even this thread, 9 of 10 posters in this thread are 100% against him. just like 90% of what was reported on CNN had an anti-trump bias.

I agree that CNN has a left-centrist bias. This was especially telling in the Democratic primary in their treatment of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. However, I don't think Fox News is anti-globalism either especially since they were trying to run off Trump in the Republican primary. Overall, though just because something has a bias doesn't mean the new alternative (ie Breitbart) is going to be better.

yes, correct on all. re: gloablism- all billionaires seem to back it. murdoch no different. keen observation.

[stilldropin20]

Hey, I'm impressed with the honesty. Age is starting to beat the crap out of me, so you'd still out-run me. I just think you're wrong to demonize all of them - realizing they're under a microscope held by scum who intentionally distort the truth - such as Fox "News" and some that make Fox "News" seem not so moronic. Calling main-stream media fake news while praising Fox and the low end scum that right wing wacko's typically quote is laughably pathetic - stranger than fiction.

thats just it tho. CNN is just as bad as fox. both are simply partisan hacks. neither is news. the partisan hacks like you and me that are posting in this thread however seem to believe that CNN is righteous and FOX and brietbarb are just liars.

both are "lying" my friend. both are strongly pushing their own agendas. CCN was and remains pro Obama. pro liberal. Pro globalism. 70% of Fox and 90% brietbart is pro Trump. pro nationalism.

you cant call one a liar without calling both a liar. or more simply, in your world where evil people dont exist, neither is lying and both are simply supporting their own well-intended agendas. However way you want to look at it the logic dictates that the middle ground is the where you will find some semblance of the truth.

the 7 or 8 active posters in this thread are simply not interested in the middle ground. I asked a poster to negotiate on daca last week. I said, give me funding on the wall and I'll give you daca. which is clearly where trump and schumer are on a bipartisan immigration reform. that poster said no deal. wall unreasonable. as if reason has anything to do with compromise.

bottom line the 7-8 libs posting on here simply have their eyes completely closed. no discussion whatsoever. simply peddling CNN misinformation campaign to destroy anything "trump." still in denial that trump won? I guess? thought we'd get past this by now and could negotiate?

for example huge day in the news yesterday and I broke most of the stuff for you guys here on realgm. CNN barely talking about it today. and ive had CNN on since 530am. just went to fox an hour ago.

which brings me to another point. about 2-3 poster keep referring to me as uninformed. i read the WSJ, wapost, watimes, nytimes, and have fox, aljezeera, BBC, and cnn on all day long for the past 3 years...like 10-12 hours per day of various "news." not sure who on earth is more informed. I can predict how each journalist will respond the the breaking story of the day. i know all of their agendas as well as they know their own agendas. and as a hobby, ive been following the money on who owns these "news sources" for the same 3 year period. call it a hobby. and then been following the money on a lot of political chanels and politicians.

adn i'm telling you guys. trump may be many things, including a political kamikaze. but he is not dirty in terms of political influence. not sure yet if he ever cheated on his taxes, but I doubt it. or fondled some secretary. or used even worse language than we've already heard. most if not nearly all of that doesn't matter to me. i care about big ball politics. national and world agendas. game changing politics. and trump's policies have legs. My 3 years of research 10-12 hours per day have led me to believe that this is a good man with an agenda that will best help everyday americans. and because he has his heart in the right place he isn't afraid to name names and sign difficult legislation. something politicians have kicked down the road to the next guy for decades. trumps is willing to pick up that can and put his name on it.

and i just dont think you guys fully grasp how rare that is in american politics. This is a rare moment in time. and nearly everyone but fox, briethbart and his base is against him. even this thread, 9 of 10 posters in this thread are 100% against him. just like 90% of what was reported on CNN had an anti-trump bias.

Honestly, if Hitler was President, and the mainstream media criticised him more than put his actions in a positive light, I think you would say that shows their bias - they're liars. When the President is that bad, OF COURSE the media is going to show negativity! I think you and your kind (God help you, seriously) don't truly understand that. It sounds obvious, and on paper you might get it - but you don't really get it.

And before you said all politicians are basically pure evil, but here you're saying you don't think Trump cheated on his taxes... I mean... that's the definition of insanity. If he read your post, he's laughing and saying "I told you my people would believe anything I say - no matter how ridiculous." There's a reason he's actually said he could kill a man in broad daylight and not lose support. In the immortal words of Houbastank, the reason is you (and others like you).

yeah bra, love you man. but you are in the cloud of smoke and mirrors. not me.

[stilldropin20]

12 hours a day of news, posting on RealGM all day long, being a real estate mogul, running marathons, pleasing the ladies (more marathons), and on top of that, pulling legs, er, teeth. 5000 a year. It ain't easy, but someone's gotta do it.

You beat me too it!
I tend to be old fashioned watch very little on the tube but do watch Don Lemon regularly on CNN. He is the one most hated but on balance has a diversity of liberals and conservatives on his show. The only guests I tend to tune out are the Trump apologists who say what is on there mind usually White House talking points and the interrupt the other guests.

SD20 please defend these 2 potential Senators Moore & Ward and what they would do to further Democracy in the USA????

Dr. kelli Ward? whats your grip with her? she's going to win. I'm guessing Trump wanted her to take out mccain. arizona voters claerly have buyers remorse. so she is gong to take Flake's seat as he dropped so low he became the path of (no) resistance. but kelli seems to have a lot of her own agenda and in step with trump and bannon. so she is there to help push the presidents agenda.

[dckingsfan]

SD, if you go in with the assumption that all politicians are psychopaths, you've already lost. Maybe that's why you're messed up.

I think if you change psychopath to weak self-serving narcissist - then it might be pretty close? And some politicians (Trump) are worse than others.

I added the "weak" because there must be some reason that they constantly kick the ball to the future rather than actually deal with the cause of the problems...

Honestly, while you're not nearly as bad as SD, I think you're way off. They're not perfect people, and they have obvious and not so obvious limitations, but there are are a lot of good people trying to do good.

My guess - you have never worked with politicians on legislation - my guess - but tell me if I am wrong.

I think your point is they are just human beings trying to make the world better. I think that is true for many - especially at the local level. When you get to the federal level - thinking I am way closer than you are...

We get to agree to disagree a lot - I like that it is cordial.

[TGW]

I tend to think most politicians are self-serving and borderline corrupt.

[dckingsfan]

...The issue is whether the two senators are speaking truth to power when they say that Trump is a habitual liar and scumbag whose reckless tongue and tweets are endangering all of us.

This really cuts to the point with Trump. If one did vote for him, they should at least be able to acknowledge that he is:

1) a habitual and pathological liar
2) has routinely put us in danger with his foreign policy
3) hasn't moved the country forward in healthcare policy, tax policy or immigration policy

They could say that he has caused the federal government to go farther in disarray. But you might be surprised that they don't seem to care - they might actually see that as a benefit.

[dckingsfan]

I tend to think most politicians are self-serving and borderline corrupt.

Agreed - at least by the time they are filtered up to the national level. Seems like the local guys want to make a difference...