2017-2018 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread part one: The Fellowship for A Ring

Pillendreher · Post #141 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:57 am

spearsy23 wrote:We're playing like in 2k when you first get big name player and you have to shoot with him every time he touches the ball.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree - I'm doing that with every new guy I get.

Pillendreher · Post #142 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:40 pm

One interesting thing: Melo seems to be the only guy who has taken shots all across the floor so far out of our 'Big 3':

Melo

George

Russ

We need to get both Melo and George way more Corner 3s. If Melo can keep making those mid-range shots (he's currently making them at 55 %), I guess he should be taking them, especially if Billy wants to continue having the bench just be the Melo show. George needs to take better shots and less rushed 3s.

Post #143 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:30 pm

If Melo doesn’t occasionally pass, his job will be much harder just like Kanter struggled the more the season went on.

bbms · Post #144 » by **bbms** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:41 pm

slick_watts wrote:one more fun fact: domantas sabonis has attempted more free throws this year and collected more rebounds than paul george and carmelo anthony combined.

Brutal. What could have been last season with like, Budenholzen in charge...

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Post #145 » by **bondom34** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:13 pm

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-thunder-suddenly-cant-rebound/

Boarder Patrol · Post #146 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:34 pm

Knicks fan here - how has Carmelo been for you guys overall? Haven't gotten much of a chance to watch.

Pillendreher · Post #147 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:17 pm

bondom34 wrote:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-thunder-suddenly-cant-rebound/

It's a little bit laughable to run with this after 3 games played, but I want to add this: Did any of you think we were bad at rebounding? I actually thought we did pretty well. :-?

Post #148 » by **bondom34** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:24 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-thunder-suddenly-cant-rebound/

It's a little bit laughable to run with this after 3 games played, but I want to add this: Did any of you think we were bad at rebounding? I actually thought we did pretty well.

They've been pretty bad. Especially bench

Post #149 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:40 pm

Boarder Patrol wrote:Knicks fan here - how has Carmelo been for you guys overall? Haven't gotten much of a chance to watch.

About like expected. We could use more rebounding from him.

jambalaya · Post #150 » by **jambalaya** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:22 pm

So far: Westbrook with George and with Anthony both slightly negative. Adams positive with all 3. Roberson badly negative with all 3. Abrines strongly positive with all 3.

jambalaya · Post #151 » by **jambalaya** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:29 am

WS/48 and BPM have Ferguson as 11th &12th least helpful player in league with over 10 minutes. PER has him as 3rd worst. Patterson terrible as well.

Melo is about what you'd expect. George a lot less. Abrines a shooter is well below average on efg% & ts%. Roberson an early disaster.

Presti's great or greatest summer is looking meh at best in first games. Getting George AND Melo presumably was to strengthen offense but so far it is average and a bit worse than last season. 2-2 due to improved D and / or opponents missing.

Pillendreher · Post #152 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:49 am

jambalaya wrote:WS/48 and BPM have Ferguson as 11th &12th least helpful player in league with over 10 minutes. PER has him as 3rd worst. Patterson terrible as well.

Melo is about what you'd expect. George a lot less. Abrines a shooter is well below average on efg% & ts%. Roberson an early disaster.

Presti's great or greatest summer is looking meh at best in first games. Getting George AND Melo presumably was to strengthen offense but so far it is average and a bit worse than last season. 2-2 due to improved D and / or opponents missing.

Those stats aren't worth anything after 4 games tho. Way too much noise in there. One good or bad game can swing the whole stat at this point.

spearsy23 · Post #153 » by **spearsy23** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:58 am

Pillendreher wrote:
jambalaya wrote:WS/48 and BPM have Ferguson as 11th &12th least helpful player in league with over 10 minutes. PER has him as 3rd worst. Patterson terrible as well.

Melo is about what you'd expect. George a lot less. Abrines a shooter is well below average on efg% & ts%. Roberson an early disaster.

Presti's great or greatest summer is looking meh at best in first games. Getting George AND Melo presumably was to strengthen offense but so far it is average and a bit worse than last season. 2-2 due to improved D and / or opponents missing.

Those stats aren't worth anything after 4 games tho. Way too much noise in there. One good or bad game can swing the whole stat at this point.

Also 4 guys are working back from off-season knee procedures.

Post #154 » by **ThunderBolt** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:02 pm

Ferguson has played about 13 minutes. I think he’s more in the “wait and see” category.

jambalaya · Post #155 » by **jambalaya** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:53 pm

Ferg is at 23 minutes. His not good marks are consistent with what he did in Australia. And they got worse as that season went on. fwiw. Which may be worth more a bit more than say vague eye test statements or agnosticism.

Yeah it is early. But checking now gives a starting point and allows comparison next week, the week after, etc.

Thunder de-emphasize rebounding and get less. Spurs getting more. Gap will probably shrink but early trend more likely to last than reverse, I'd guess.

Post #156 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:43 pm

jambalaya wrote:So far: Westbrook with George and with Anthony both slightly negative. Adams positive with all 3. Roberson badly negative with all 3. Abrines strongly positive with all 3.

I saw the same thing. Think I'd write it off as noise at this point—Abrines has benefitted from a couple of really good runs from Melo/Westbrook, and I'm not sure yet whether they're related or not.

Pillendreher · Post #157 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:10 pm

Dad Melo taking over:

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Pillendreher · Post #158 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:11 pm

jambalaya wrote:Ferg is at 23 minutes. His not good marks are consistent with what he did in Australia. And they got worse as that season went on. fwiw. Which may be worth more a bit more than say vague eye test statements or agnosticism.

Yeah it is early. But checking now gives a starting point and allows comparison next week, the week after, etc.

And that's what? 45 possessions? That's a little bit more than half a game for a 35 mpg guy. Would you be OK saying 'Oh, Westbrook's impact is crap' based on his performance through the 3rd quarter?

Pillendreher · Post #159 » by **Pillendreher** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:52 pm

stats.nba.com Tracking is up:

-15th in Catch and Shoot eFG%; 7th in Catch and Shoot FGA/G
-12th in FG% on drives; 26th in drives per game
-27th in passes per game; 5th in ast pts created per game; 7th in secondary assists per game; 12th in ast adj per game
-29th in adjusted dreb chance %; 17th in adjusted oreb chance %; 28th in dreb chance %

jambalaya · Post #160 » by **jambalaya** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:16 am

The fall-off in drives may be the biggest surprise. I assume it will rise but how much? Meh on 3s and worse of drives would be a lousy recipe.

Sample size is a valid caveat but I think we can all agree on it, say stuff and maybe agree that it doesn't have to be repeated over and over. I am worn out on that refrain to almost everything I've said so far this season here and elsewhere.