Don't look now but...Jeremy Lamb!

sleestak33 · Post #1 » by **sleestak33** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:41 am

As I have been saying for 4 years now trading Lamb was a huge mistake and between him, Roberson and Perry Jones he was by far the obvious choice to keep and that's coming to full fruition now. He is now starting for Charlotte and averaging 17 points 5 rebounds and 3 assists and playing solid ball. How good would OKC's starting lineup be with him at the 2 right now?! Had they given him the starting role Roberson has had for the last 4 years and continued to work with him defensively he would be even better than he is right now. Man I hate being right all the time... :banghead:

Pillendreher · Post #2 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:02 pm

sleestak33 wrote:As I have been saying for 4 years now trading Lamb was a huge mistake and between him, Roberson and Perry Jones he was by far the obvious choice to keep and that's coming to full fruition now. He is now starting for Charlotte and averaging 17 points 5 rebounds and 3 assists and playing solid ball. How good would OKC's starting lineup be with him at the 2 right now?! Had they given him the starting role Roberson has had for the last 4 years and continued to work with him defensively he would be even better than he is right now. Man I hate being right all the time...

And just imagine if we had kept Perry Jones! We wouldn't even need George right now!

spearsy23 · Post #3 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:44 pm

I'm impressed that you were saying we shouldn't have traded him two years before he was traded.

spearsy23 · Post #4 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:48 pm

Also, it was definitely stupid to give up on lamb for dion.

Post #5 » by **bondom34** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:36 pm

spearsy23 wrote:I'm impressed that you were saying we shouldn't have traded him two years before he was traded.

Time travel just to say something meaningless about a kinda mediocre SG.

Post #6 » by **slick_watts** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:42 pm

sleestak33 wrote:As I have been saying for 4 years now trading Lamb was a huge mistake and between him, Roberson and Perry Jones he was by far the obvious choice to keep and that's coming to full fruition now. He is now starting for Charlotte and averaging 17 points 5 rebounds and 3 assists and playing solid ball. How good would OKC's starting lineup be with him at the 2 right now?! Had they given him the starting role Roberson has had for the last 4 years and continued to work with him defensively he would be even better than he is right now. Man I hate being right all the time...

lamb doesn't seem much different to me this year from previous years other than more minutes. he's shooting atypically well from 3, which is usually a warning sign that someone is playing a bit over their head.

did you have similar thoughts about byron mullens when he had his hot start in charlotte that one year? lamb's been ok but unimpressive up to this season so i'd hold off on patting yourself on the back.

lamb would definitely help out or wing depth but dre is certainly a better fit and a better player. perhaps wait longer than six games?

sleestak33 · Post #7 » by **sleestak33** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:54 pm

slick_watts wrote:
sleestak33 wrote:As I have been saying for 4 years now trading Lamb was a huge mistake and between him, Roberson and Perry Jones he was by far the obvious choice to keep and that's coming to full fruition now. He is now starting for Charlotte and averaging 17 points 5 rebounds and 3 assists and playing solid ball. How good would OKC's starting lineup be with him at the 2 right now?! Had they given him the starting role Roberson has had for the last 4 years and continued to work with him defensively he would be even better than he is right now. Man I hate being right all the time...

lamb doesn't seem much different to me this year from previous years other than more minutes. he's shooting atypically well from 3, which is usually a warning sign that someone is playing a bit over their head.

did you have similar thoughts about byron mullens when he had his hot start in charlotte that one year? lamb's been ok but unimpressive up to this season so i'd hold off on patting yourself on the back.

lamb would definitely help out or wing depth but dre is certainly a better fit and a better player. perhaps wait longer than six games?

All Lamb has ever needed was minutes. His per 36 minute averages last year were 19 points and 8 rebounds....Roberson's were 8 and 6. Not only is he ridiculously better offensively he's actually a better rebounder. If you're going to pick between several players to go with for the long term you ALWAYS take the player with the highest ceiling offensively and that clearly was either Jones or Lamb. Now they've wasted 4 years trying to develop Roberson and they're stuck with a guy who is airballing free throws and doesn't have the offensive capability of a D-League player. Nice choice...

Post #8 » by **slick_watts** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:02 pm

sleestak33 wrote:All Lamb has ever needed was minutes. His per 36 minute averages last year were 19 points and 8 rebounds

productivity doesn't actually scale this way in real life. like i said, i'd wait awhile to see if lamb's 3pt shooting is legit before celebrating.

sleestak33 wrote:Not only is he ridiculously better offensively he's actually a better rebounder.

the gap between the two on defense is larger than the gap between the two on offense. lamb is a career 32% three point shooter, and until this year has struggled to get to the line.

i wish you'd stay on one andre roberson topic at a time long enough to actually have a discussion. i'd go into the nitty gritty on this comparison but i'm pretty sure all you'll say is 'post whatever stats you want' or some nonsense.

RalphSampsonJr · Post #9 » by **RalphSampsonJr** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:04 pm

slick_watts wrote:
sleestak33 wrote:All Lamb has ever needed was minutes. His per 36 minute averages last year were 19 points and 8 rebounds

productivity doesn't actually scale this way in real life. like i said, i'd wait awhile to see if lamb's 3pt shooting is legit before celebrating.

sleestak33 wrote:Not only is he ridiculously better offensively he's actually a better rebounder.

the gap between the two on defense is larger than the gap between the two on offense. lamb is a career 32% three point shooter, and until this year has struggled to get to the line.

i wish you'd stay on one andre roberson topic at a time long enough to actually have a discussion. i'd go into the nitty gritty on this comparison but i'm pretty sure all you'll say is 'post whatever stats you want' or some nonsense.

Dont do it.
This is what he does.
He posts something, then you totally dismantle his point with actual facts then he just repeats the same words..
It goes: blah blah blah... Roberson is the worst SG in NBA history.. blah blah blah Should of never traded Harden/Jones/Lamb... blah blah blah...Kanters 36 minute PTS and REB averages are AMAZING... blah blah blah

Im surprised he gets responses when he creates these discussions.
but hey he "hates being right all the time"..

Post #10 » by **bondom34** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:13 pm

Can we just create a sleestak megathread where he rambles incoherently to himself like a guy on a street corner?

hardenASG13 · Post #11 » by **hardenASG13** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:41 pm

How are his off the ball defensive rotations though? As we know, they are the most important aspect to wing in the nba.

ThunderTime · Post #12 » by **ThunderTime** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:25 pm

It happens every now and then in this NBA thingy that guys who didnt work out while being on your team start to find their place on another team. Lamb is starting to look like one of those guys. Thing is you gotta look forward in the NBA and know this can happen and also look at the situation you traded or not re-signed them in. Trading LAmb at the time was a good move since he didnt get the minutes he is getting in Charlotte and in the small minutes he got he sucked. We will survive without him and cheers to the guy for having a solid NBA career now that he is getting minutes on a pretty ok squad.

oken · Post #13 » by **oken** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:38 pm

Do not lok now but:
Harden! (last year)
Dion! (last year, second half)
Oladipo! (last week)
Domas! (last game)
Enes! (last game, 1st qtr)
McDermott! (last game, end of 1st qtr)

Post #14 » by **bondom34** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:39 pm

Lol Enes and Doug are the exact same. Dion has been bad again this year and Lamb is off to a mediocre start to a season after being on a new team for 2 seasons.

sleestak33 · Post #15 » by **sleestak33** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:55 pm

Like I said...all Lamb ever needed was consistent minutes. His career minutes played per game is only 17 and this year he's gone up to 31. His per 36 minute averages have always been pretty consistently around 18 points and 8 rebounds and we are seeing now what would have happened in OKC had he been given the starting role Roberson has had. Always choose the player with the highest upside offensively because you can teach somebody how to get better defensively but you're never going to take someone with faulty shooting mechanics and a low offensive basketball IQ like Roberson and make them any better. But yeah, what the heck do I know? I mean wing players in the NBA don't need to be able to handle the ball, pass, shoot, score and create their own offense. It's not an offensive league right now that puts a premium on outside shooting and scoring. Nope...not at all.

Post #16 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:58 pm

sleestak33 wrote:Like I said...all Lamb ever needed was consistent minutes. His career minutes played per game is only 17 and this year he's gone up to 31. His per 36 minute averages have always been pretty consistently around 18 points and 8 rebounds and we are seeing now what would have happened in OKC had he been given the starting role Roberson has had. Always choose the player with the highest upside offensively because you can teach somebody how to get better defensively but you're never going to take someone with faulty shooting mechanics and a low offensive basketball IQ like Roberson and make them any better. But yeah, what the heck do I know? I mean wing players in the NBA don't need to be able to handle the ball, pass, shoot, score and create their own offense. It's not an offensive league right now that puts a premium on outside shooting and scoring. Nope...not at all.

Obviously not much. You can’t be a good defender without a high BBIQ.

getrichordie · Post #17 » by **getrichordie** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 4:55 pm

To be honest, I don’t think it was a HUGE mistake to trade Lamb, but at the time, I was a fan of Lamb and I thought we should have kept him. I think at times, we get a little impatient as fans.

Scott Brooks was pretty impatient with players when he was here.. and often went with veterans over developing younger players.

It takes minutes for some players to develop. Players learn differently. Not every player can just develop through practice or watching film, they have to be able to execute what they are practicing in an actual game and what they are seeing on film, etc., etc.

A lot of people don’t think highly of Jerami Grant, but the dude is just 23. He did some amazing things in Philly when he was 20-21 when he could get more minutes.

And Lamb just turned 23 when we traded him and he didn’t see a ton of minutes in OKC.

Now watch Ferguson flame out after he gets dejected from never getting minutes on a stacked OKC team. And then we will all be saying he sucks and we should trade him and another team will give him minutes and develop him.

OKC wasn’t patient enough with Waiters, honestly. I really thought we should have re-signed him. It was easy to see towards the end of the year that he was figuring it out and learning from Donovan. He even spoke about it. Now this is a kid who went from a really bad team to a really good team and had some adjustment issues playing an different role. Normal. Give it time. Continuity and real game experience can do a lot for a player.

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Post #18 » by **bondom34** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 5:07 pm

Actually most here were pretty annoyed at the whole trading Lamb and getting Waiters and benching Lamb scenario. Neither are great but Lamb was better.

Edit: Also look at Dion and how much he is paid today. They were patient, hes just not that good.

Post #19 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 5:11 pm

getrichordie wrote:OKC wasn’t patient enough with Waiters, honestly. I really thought we should have re-signed him. It was easy to see towards the end of the year that he was figuring it out and learning from Donovan. He even spoke about it. Now this is a kid who went from a really bad team to a really good team and had some adjustment issues playing an different role. Normal. Give it time. Continuity and real game experience can do a lot for a player.

We had a choice between using the cap space to keep him or renegotiating and extending Westbrook. I know which one I choose.

Post #20 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 5:22 pm

oken wrote:Do not lok now but:
Harden! (last year)
Dion! (last year, second half)
Oladipo! (last week)
Domas! (last game)
Enes! (last game, 1st qtr)
McDermott! (last game, end of 1st qtr)

Don't forget to mention that Reggie Jackson won @Golden State last week so by giving him the role he wanted (starter), we would sweep the Warriors.