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Post#461 » by BUCKnation » Wed Nov 1, 2017 3:55 am

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Fresh_Prince12 wrote:I loved the new season of stranger things.


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Bob was so intriguing to me. It seemed like the show wanted you to think there was something going on with him. He seemed too good of a person, but would smile at inappropriate times. He also gave advice to Will that kicked off the whole thing. Then there was the time the mom pointed out that he was really cold holding the coffee mug, implying like he might be possessed too. When he volunteered to hack in the computer, which he was way to gun ho about, I was convinced he was gonna expose himself as a bad guy. Then he died a heroes death and became motivation for the group. I was so confused. I liked him a lot though


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I've seen a few people bring this up and I completely missed that vibe myself lol. I loved that dude from the get-go, though it seemed painfully obvious to me that he was going to die. They're clearly angling for a Joyce/Hop reunion and Bob obviously had to be out of the way for that to happen.


BUCKnation wrote:The ratings are pretty funny for the stranger things individual eps on IMDB. high 8's and 9's across the board and ep 7 is sitting a high 6. Haven't even seen the episode yet, but it's interesting how universal the criticism is.


You'll understand when you watch. I personally didn't mind it so much, but as others have said, it's almost entirely detached from the rest of the series.

I'm guessing it's planting a seed for Season 3, but it feels extremely out of place right now.

My takeaways after having finished watching the entire season (obviously don't click unless you too have finished):

Spoiler:
The show is a lot of fun but definitely has issues in terms of believability/continuity in spots. I'm a 90's baby myself, but I've always loved the culture of the 70's and 80's so seeing a show with so many callbacks to the 80's is so satisfying for me.

The Good:
  • Steve. It seemed to me that Steve was casted to be the bad guy for the show, and roughly halfway through Season 1, they realized he had potential as a good guy instead, and ever since, it's been really redeeming watching his character develop.
    Turning into the babysitter/single mother as he calls it was awesome. His 1 on 1 scenes with Dustin were awesome. I just loved watching him this season. He and Dustin together was probably my favorite part.
  • Will. That kid is a seriously talented actor. And after basically being Doug from The Hangover in Season 1, he really came into his own in Season 2.
  • Elle & Hop. The dynamic between these two was great. It was especially cool because I know Dave (actor that plays Hop) said after Season 1 that he grew really attached to Millie (actress that plays Elle) and kinda looked after her like she was his daughter.
  • Some other quick stuff that I liked...I thought the Snow Ball was a good way to end the season, and the callback to Joyce/Hop smoking outside the school was cool. I loved the way they'd rotate the camera upside down as they were transitioning into the Upside Down.

The Bad:
  • Max/Billy (for now anyways). I kinda like Max, but she hasn't had a chance to really be fleshed out yet. They seem to be doing with Billy what they wanted to do with Steve at first. He's come into the school and they literally stated how Billy was basically replacing Steve as the big man on campus and he's the complete **** that they seemingly wanted Steve to be. His role felt sort of pointless this season, but I think there's potential for both he and Max. Him flirting with Mike's mom was pretty hilarious.
  • The very ending. Just seemed kinda lame to me that it basically ended the way it started with the Mind Flayer being there again. I don't know; I really liked how they had Will cough up the slug at the end of Season 1 to hint at Season 2, but this season's ending fell flat for me (outside of the Snow Ball part which I enjoyed).
  • Episode 7. Just super out of place. They seemingly used this episode to possibly plant a seed for Season 3 while also having Elle go through her Luke/Yoda training kinda thing where she learned how to really tap into her power, but that part felt so rushed.
  • Nancy's drunk acting. My god was that bad lol.
  • Some of the logic:
    1. Dustin hiding Dart from the rest of the friends group. Also more importantly, they just finished the world almost ending due to a demidog and then he mysteriously finds a new species of animal that looks kinda like a demidog and he isn't suspicious? Seriously what the hell is that?
    2. The Dustin/Dart reunion at the end with Dart letting him and his friends pass by was so easy to see coming and also just lame.
    3. Most of the first two seasons, it seems like shooting demidogs doesn't really do anything. Then the finale happens and Hop fights them all off with his guns while Elle does her thing.
    4. The new Hawkins Lab guy gets viciously attacked by demidogs but then they apparently decide to just leave him be instead of killing him like they've done to literally every single other human that they've attacked?

Yeah, just watched it. Pretty much agree. Coming off the back of one of the best episodes and a big cliff hanger, to throw that in there which coincides very little with the previous episode is annoying. It was a fine episode, but im not too interested in 11's storyline with Mom and I guess family at the moment.
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Post#462 » by El Duderino » Wed Nov 1, 2017 5:20 am

midranger wrote:Dexter was the one of the only series I punted on as well. Should have been a 4 season series arc. I think it ended up being 7. Didn't watch the last two.

I keep inching closer with every episode of The Walking Dead. It'll keep going as long as it's making money. Luckily it's incredibly expensive to make, so the break even point might come sooner than with other series. It has been really awful though. For years.


For me, i was starting to sour on The Walking Dead more and more, but the introduction of Negan brought me back in to looking forward to new episodes because he's my favorite character ever for the series. The problem though has been that pretty much whenever he's not on the screen, i'm back to just tolerating the show because i've watched seven seasons.

So when Rick and his crew had wide open shots to kill Negan as he bragged about the size of his package and made it no sense not to shoot, i was both irritated by the stupidity of it and glad that the one character i really like would stay alive as i keep watching.

Man did the casting for the show hit a grand slam picking Jeffrey Dean Morgan to play Negan.
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Post#463 » by HKPackFan » Wed Nov 1, 2017 5:46 am

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midranger wrote:Dexter was the one of the only series I punted on as well. Should have been a 4 season series arc. I think it ended up being 7. Didn't watch the last two.

I keep inching closer with every episode of The Walking Dead. It'll keep going as long as it's making money. Luckily it's incredibly expensive to make, so the break even point might come sooner than with other series. It has been really awful though. For years.


For me, i was starting to sour on The Walking Dead more and more, but the introduction of Negan brought me back in to looking forward to new episodes because he's my favorite character ever for the series. The problem though has been that pretty much whenever he's not on the screen, i'm back to just tolerating the show because i've watched seven seasons.

So when Rick and his crew had wide open shots to kill Negan as he bragged about the size of his package and made it no sense not to shoot, i was both irritated by the stupidity of it and glad that the one character i really like would stay alive as i keep watching.

Man did the casting for the show hit a grand slam picking Jeffrey Dean Morgan to play Negan.



Ya it IS dumb to let Negan talk about his dick size while 30 people with machine guns are staring at him with no reason not to kill him.

And it IS dumb that last season we had guys craving one **** bullet, and there was so much anguish just to find ONE damn bullet, my favorite latina was holding, and now we have unlimited ammo like some cheap b marines movie, where we can fire 5,000 rounds AT THE WINDOWS. AT THE **** WINDOWS, so we can make loud noise to attract the herd, not a G league squad, but zombie herd. And the plan is to keep firing bullets for hours on end until the few guys you kill in battle wake up and become zombies. HOW IS THAT EVEN A PLAN!? We go from spending episode upon episode looking/making 1 bullet, to having the biggest stockpile on earth. It's lame.

And shows do wear you out. I agree in the old days you had NO idea who was going to live and die. Main characters were killed off all the time, not even children were safe. GOTs and TWD I used to compare similarly, I found them intense because you never knew who was going to survive. They've gone pretty far from that.

The first few times Rick was on his knees with a gun pointed to his head I was holding my breath, now...not so much. You can't constantly put someone in danger, and then have them escape it, it is a trick that has a shelf life, can't be used over and over, then there's no longer suspense.
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Post#464 » by machu46 » Wed Nov 1, 2017 12:20 pm

All this gun talk re: Walking Dead is interesting to me...I stopped watching in like Season 2 maybe, but at that point, I remember that nobody really wanted to use guns because it attracted the zombies or something like that. Sounds like that series did a 180 on that.
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Post#465 » by M-C-G » Wed Nov 1, 2017 1:26 pm

machu46 wrote:All this gun talk re: Walking Dead is interesting to me...I stopped watching in like Season 2 maybe, but at that point, I remember that nobody really wanted to use guns because it attracted the zombies or something like that. Sounds like that series did a 180 on that.



Actually in this case it was part of the plan to attract a hoard of zombies, but just more so that they shot an unlimited amount of bullets out of nowhere
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Post#466 » by RRyder823 » Wed Nov 1, 2017 9:22 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:
hege53190 wrote:
Really? It took you till this season to realize this? I couldn't get through the pilot because every situation was so bumfack (Please Use More Appropriate Word). I can't stand shows like that. If someone tells me they like the walking dead, I think a little less of them.

Such a hipster comment.

It is the most popular show on TV. At this point u might as well say the same thing about everybody watching GoTs. I mean they got ravens that fly as fast as fighter jets now

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That is awesome. First time ever that Hipster has in any way been used to describe me.

I love the first 3 books/first 4 seasons of A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones. The trilogy is one of my favorite series ever. Now I am pot committed and just want to see where everyone ends up. I am actually relieved the series is ending. The last 17 years have not been kind to this series creative team. The last year has been an absolute kick in the nuts to any competent fan of this series.

Maybe I didn't give The Walking Dead enough of a chance but from what I remember the main character had to make the worst possible decision to further the plot. Any time a show does this it loses me. When they constantly do it I am dumbfounded how people can like it (kind of like season 7 of GOT). Plus from what I remember these zombies are really easy to kill and are unbelievably stupid yet they take over the world.

I don't disagree with anything you said. That's hour opinion and fine. But when you say you lose a little respect when you find out others watch the show is where it gets hipster. Like it is by far the most popular show going.

It'd be like saying "I think a lot of super hero movies are dumb. I lose respect for anyone when they say they want to go see Thor".



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Post#467 » by Bucksfan28 » Thu Nov 2, 2017 2:20 am

ST2: why was that scene with Billy and his dad randomly one of the best of the whole season?
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Post#468 » by hege53190 » Thu Nov 2, 2017 3:12 am

RRyder823 wrote:
hege53190 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:Such a hipster comment.

It is the most popular show on TV. At this point u might as well say the same thing about everybody watching GoTs. I mean they got ravens that fly as fast as fighter jets now

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That is awesome. First time ever that Hipster has in any way been used to describe me.

I love the first 3 books/first 4 seasons of A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones. The trilogy is one of my favorite series ever. Now I am pot committed and just want to see where everyone ends up. I am actually relieved the series is ending. The last 17 years have not been kind to this series creative team. The last year has been an absolute kick in the nuts to any competent fan of this series.

Maybe I didn't give The Walking Dead enough of a chance but from what I remember the main character had to make the worst possible decision to further the plot. Any time a show does this it loses me. When they constantly do it I am dumbfounded how people can like it (kind of like season 7 of GOT). Plus from what I remember these zombies are really easy to kill and are unbelievably stupid yet they take over the world.

I don't disagree with anything you said. That's hour opinion and fine. But when you say you lose a little respect when you find out others watch the show is where it gets hipster. Like it is by far the most popular show going.

It'd be like saying "I think a lot of super hero movies are dumb. I lose respect for anyone when they say they want to go see Thor".



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Fair enough. But I gave it a chance. I actually went into it thinking that I was going to like the series. It seemed right up my alley. It is the first time I noticed my disdain for Zombie vehicles. Based on some of the complaints it doesn't seem like they fixed the people making the worst possible decision to further the plot device either. That is quite a bit different than condemning a potential viewer of a film that I haven't seen based on a genre.

I also said I think a little less of them. Not I lose respect for them. That is a pretty significant difference in opinion of a person.

I said what I said. There is absolutely no reason to re-frame it to make it sound 10x worse than it actually was.
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Post#469 » by Ill-yasova » Fri Nov 3, 2017 3:16 am

I saw the new Thor movie tonight and it was both awesome and hilarious. Marvel went with a bold choice when they picked their director and it completely paid off. Waititi really took some chances and basically made an indie comedy with Marvel superheroes putting them in weirdly personal interactions with amazing results. He also voiced Korg, who might be my new favorite Marvel character ever. The part where he tries to kick the “ghost” still cracks me up every time I think about it. The action sequences were every bit as good as any Marvel movie I’ve ever seen.
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Post#470 » by emunney » Fri Nov 3, 2017 4:30 am

M-C-G wrote:
machu46 wrote:All this gun talk re: Walking Dead is interesting to me...I stopped watching in like Season 2 maybe, but at that point, I remember that nobody really wanted to use guns because it attracted the zombies or something like that. Sounds like that series did a 180 on that.



Actually in this case it was part of the plan to attract a hoard of zombies, but just more so that they shot an unlimited amount of bullets out of nowhere


Not really out of nowhere. Getting the munitions was a super long and yet still clearly contrived process. What's annoying isn't that they have the bullets but that they're so capricious in using them. And knowing that it won't ever be addressed.
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Post#471 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Nov 3, 2017 5:21 am

Thor was as good as advertised. As much fun as you can have watching a popcorn flick.
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Post#472 » by Licensed to Il » Fri Nov 3, 2017 4:32 pm

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machu46 wrote:
Fresh_Prince12 wrote:I loved the new season of stranger things.


Spoiler:
Bob was so intriguing to me. It seemed like the show wanted you to think there was something going on with him. He seemed too good of a person, but would smile at inappropriate times. He also gave advice to Will that kicked off the whole thing. Then there was the time the mom pointed out that he was really cold holding the coffee mug, implying like he might be possessed too. When he volunteered to hack in the computer, which he was way to gun ho about, I was convinced he was gonna expose himself as a bad guy. Then he died a heroes death and became motivation for the group. I was so confused. I liked him a lot though


Re: Fresh Prince's post:
Spoiler:
I've seen a few people bring this up and I completely missed that vibe myself lol. I loved that dude from the get-go, though it seemed painfully obvious to me that he was going to die. They're clearly angling for a Joyce/Hop reunion and Bob obviously had to be out of the way for that to happen.


BUCKnation wrote:The ratings are pretty funny for the stranger things individual eps on IMDB. high 8's and 9's across the board and ep 7 is sitting a high 6. Haven't even seen the episode yet, but it's interesting how universal the criticism is.


You'll understand when you watch. I personally didn't mind it so much, but as others have said, it's almost entirely detached from the rest of the series.

I'm guessing it's planting a seed for Season 3, but it feels extremely out of place right now.

My takeaways after having finished watching the entire season (obviously don't click unless you too have finished):

Spoiler:
The show is a lot of fun but definitely has issues in terms of believability/continuity in spots. I'm a 90's baby myself, but I've always loved the culture of the 70's and 80's so seeing a show with so many callbacks to the 80's is so satisfying for me.

The Good:
  • Steve. It seemed to me that Steve was casted to be the bad guy for the show, and roughly halfway through Season 1, they realized he had potential as a good guy instead, and ever since, it's been really redeeming watching his character develop.
    Turning into the babysitter/single mother as he calls it was awesome. His 1 on 1 scenes with Dustin were awesome. I just loved watching him this season. He and Dustin together was probably my favorite part.
  • Will. That kid is a seriously talented actor. And after basically being Doug from The Hangover in Season 1, he really came into his own in Season 2.
  • Elle & Hop. The dynamic between these two was great. It was especially cool because I know Dave (actor that plays Hop) said after Season 1 that he grew really attached to Millie (actress that plays Elle) and kinda looked after her like she was his daughter.
  • Some other quick stuff that I liked...I thought the Snow Ball was a good way to end the season, and the callback to Joyce/Hop smoking outside the school was cool. I loved the way they'd rotate the camera upside down as they were transitioning into the Upside Down.

The Bad:
  • Max/Billy (for now anyways). I kinda like Max, but she hasn't had a chance to really be fleshed out yet. They seem to be doing with Billy what they wanted to do with Steve at first. He's come into the school and they literally stated how Billy was basically replacing Steve as the big man on campus and he's the complete **** that they seemingly wanted Steve to be. His role felt sort of pointless this season, but I think there's potential for both he and Max. Him flirting with Mike's mom was pretty hilarious.
  • The very ending. Just seemed kinda lame to me that it basically ended the way it started with the Mind Flayer being there again. I don't know; I really liked how they had Will cough up the slug at the end of Season 1 to hint at Season 2, but this season's ending fell flat for me (outside of the Snow Ball part which I enjoyed).
  • Episode 7. Just super out of place. They seemingly used this episode to possibly plant a seed for Season 3 while also having Elle go through her Luke/Yoda training kinda thing where she learned how to really tap into her power, but that part felt so rushed.
  • Nancy's drunk acting. My god was that bad lol.
  • Some of the logic:
    1. Dustin hiding Dart from the rest of the friends group. Also more importantly, they just finished the world almost ending due to a demidog and then he mysteriously finds a new species of animal that looks kinda like a demidog and he isn't suspicious? Seriously what the hell is that?
    2. The Dustin/Dart reunion at the end with Dart letting him and his friends pass by was so easy to see coming and also just lame.
    3. Most of the first two seasons, it seems like shooting demidogs doesn't really do anything. Then the finale happens and Hop fights them all off with his guns while Elle does her thing.
    4. The new Hawkins Lab guy gets viciously attacked by demidogs but then they apparently decide to just leave him be instead of killing him like they've done to literally every single other human that they've attacked?

Yeah, just watched it. Pretty much agree. Coming off the back of one of the best episodes and a big cliff hanger, to throw that in there which coincides very little with the previous episode is annoying. It was a fine episode, but im not too interested in 11's storyline with Mom and I guess family at the moment.



Episode 7 was the right move by the developmental team, they just made a few huge mistakes in the attempt (silly characters, awful dialogue, over the top motives, etc). I feel like if the episode had involved more of El’s first experience in Chicago/big city and then mixed in a little of Kali’s manipulation it would have hit the target. But to go so over the top with (albeit a sci fi show) that is otherwise often subtle and understated made it seem that much more out of place.
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Post#473 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Nov 3, 2017 9:26 pm

Thor ruled.


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Post#474 » by bizarro » Fri Nov 3, 2017 9:28 pm

Ill-yasova wrote:I saw the new Thor movie tonight and it was both awesome and hilarious. Marvel went with a bold choice when they picked their director and it completely paid off. Waititi really took some chances and basically made an indie comedy with Marvel superheroes putting them in weirdly personal interactions with amazing results. He also voiced Korg, who might be my new favorite Marvel character ever. The part where he tries to kick the “ghost” still cracks me up every time I think about it. The action sequences were every bit as good as any Marvel movie I’ve ever seen.


Wait a minute...Taika Waititi was given the keys to a Marvel flick? That's must see. Eagle vs. Shark is incredible. Hunt for the Wilderpeople also incredibly well done. I will go see this.
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Post#475 » by dogswithbeesintheirmouths » Fri Nov 3, 2017 10:51 pm

I keep watching The Walking Dead and yes, it can be real dumb. But its main issue is that somewhere along the line they got this idea that you can't have "unkillable" characters (except the ones who are) and basically built the whole show around that. So they set up multi-episode arcs just to kill off people and treat it as some kind of big payoff, but it usually falls flat because the lack of any consistent logic kills the tension. It occurred to me watching Better Call Saul one time that there was more suspense during a scene of Mike sitting on his couch than on the last 5 seasons of TWD.
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Post#476 » by thomchatt3rton » Sun Nov 5, 2017 12:09 am

Nathan for You has been back for over a month and I'm just finding out now.
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Post#477 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Nov 5, 2017 2:17 pm

The Girlfriend Experience season 2 arrived today. I loved season one but I think I'll wait and binge in a couple months.
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Post#478 » by blazza18 » Sun Nov 5, 2017 6:13 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:The Girlfriend Experience season 2 arrived today. I loved season one but I think I'll wait and binge in a couple months.


Season two looks to be completely different.
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Post#479 » by Bucksfan28 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:46 am

Ric Flair 30 for 30 might just be the best one yet. It was fantastic.
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Post#480 » by glenn » Wed Nov 8, 2017 7:06 pm

Thor was amazing. Best MCU offering since the first Guardians of the Galaxy, imo. Mark Mothersbaugh's score is bonkers.
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