leventuysal wrote:Enes +20 tonight vs. the Pacers.
Please explain.
Simple. He's good.
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leventuysal wrote:Enes +20 tonight vs. the Pacers.
Please explain.
leventuysal wrote:Enes +20 tonight vs. the Pacers.
Please explain.
boomann21 wrote:That was a good trade. Enes Kanter is exactly the type of player and personality KP needs next to him in the trenches. If he starts to finish consistently around the rim the world better watch out.
falcon107 wrote:boomann21 wrote:That was a good trade. Enes Kanter is exactly the type of player and personality KP needs next to him in the trenches. If he starts to finish consistently around the rim the world better watch out.
He almost always finishes consistently around the rim. Always from Utah to OKC and now in NYK, when he was given the ball and minutes. The problem is his defense, was always his defense.
Knickstape1214 wrote:falcon107 wrote:boomann21 wrote:That was a good trade. Enes Kanter is exactly the type of player and personality KP needs next to him in the trenches. If he starts to finish consistently around the rim the world better watch out.
He almost always finishes consistently around the rim. Always from Utah to OKC and now in NYK, when he was given the ball and minutes. The problem is his defense, was always his defense.
He's also afraid to take mini jumpers, thus clogging the lane for KP, he is a black hole once he starts to make his move in the post, and he can only finish with his right hand also - he missed 3 layups last night because he wanted to use his right instead of the easier one with the left.
His defense is horrible, but he's got issues on offense too.
Knicksfan20 wrote:Knickstape1214 wrote:falcon107 wrote:He almost always finishes consistently around the rim. Always from Utah to OKC and now in NYK, when he was given the ball and minutes. The problem is his defense, was always his defense.
He's also afraid to take mini jumpers, thus clogging the lane for KP, he is a black hole once he starts to make his move in the post, and he can only finish with his right hand also - he missed 3 layups last night because he wanted to use his right instead of the easier one with the left.
His defense is horrible, but he's got issues on offense too.
First u said he has no range and clogs the paint, now he doesn’t take enough jumpers and he’s clogging the paint. No mention of the amount of extra possessions he gets us by being in the paint. Can really tell how ineffective Kanter made KP last night when he was dropping 40.
Arguably Kanters worst defensive game of the season, but Indiana is talented. Kanter also made good defensive plays in this game despite also having a few mishaps. He pulled down 18 boards and played hard and fought for rebounds against a god rebounding team. O’Quinn also had troubles with their bigs, why isn’t he being called out?
I think there is a reason Kanter isn’t taking many jumpers. Kanter also has been passing better also. I just don’t see the reason for the Kanter hate other then his contract and people butt hurt over Willy not getting minutes.
Knicksfan20 wrote:Problem is you only see things one way. I said in my post this was Kanters worst defensive game of the season, but you ignored that part...just like u ignored the few good defensive rotations and plays that Kanter made last night. Just like you ignored when Oquinn made similar mistakes to Kanter did. Just like you ignore the rebounding stat and ignore that Kanters work on the glass frees KP up a ton. Kanter being a double team inside frees up things for KP on the perimeter. Kanter getting extra possessions also helps KP and the team. Harden just dropped 56...I guess if they didn’t have Capela , Harden would of scored 66.
Keep acting like u know it all. Because more people see what I see, then what you are seeing.
I see a guy who is limited defensively but is playing hard and improving. You see a trash player no matter what or how much good he does.
Agree to disagree.
YouthMovement wrote:leventuysal wrote:Enes +20 tonight vs. the Pacers.
Please explain.
single game +/- is a pretty random stat
Thugger HBC wrote:I don't see how Kanter clogs the paint. KP especially seems to be dunking and operating more in the paint than his first two years combined. Perhaps Kanter clogs the paint because he drags double teams and help to contain him when he's looking to score down there. Dude is an absolute load on offense down there, and usually is the middle of rebound action with two or more opponents fighting for that same rebound.
Even if he is, it isn't affecting KP at all. KP seems to always be on the TV camera view side of the court opposite of Kanter or Kanter is near the top of the key to initiate the play.
He has made some strides on defense and that's not bad at all since defense is NOT his calling card, and never will be.
This version of Kanter I'd actually be happy with going forward. rather see him happily do the dirty work than have my star player having to do it all.
Perhaps Kanter is KP's Oakley. And no, there games are nothing alike. I'm only talking about the role they play.
Thugger HBC wrote:I don't see how Kanter clogs the paint. KP especially seems to be dunking and operating more in the paint than his first two years combined. Perhaps Kanter clogs the paint because he drags double teams and help to contain him when he's looking to score down there. Dude is an absolute load on offense down there, and usually is the middle of rebound action with two or more opponents fighting for that same rebound.
Even if he is, it isn't affecting KP at all. KP seems to always be on the TV camera view side of the court opposite of Kanter or Kanter is near the top of the key to initiate the play.
He has made some strides on defense and that's not bad at all since defense is NOT his calling card, and never will be.
This version of Kanter I'd actually be happy with going forward. rather see him happily do the dirty work than have my star player having to do it all.
Perhaps Kanter is KP's Oakley. And no, there games are nothing alike. I'm only talking about the role they play.
Thugger HBC wrote:I don't see how Kanter clogs the paint. KP especially seems to be dunking and operating more in the paint than his first two years combined. Perhaps Kanter clogs the paint because he drags double teams and help to contain him when he's looking to score down there. Dude is an absolute load on offense down there, and usually is the middle of rebound action with two or more opponents fighting for that same rebound.
Even if he is, it isn't affecting KP at all. KP seems to always be on the TV camera view side of the court opposite of Kanter or Kanter is near the top of the key to initiate the play.
He has made some strides on defense and that's not bad at all since defense is NOT his calling card, and never will be.
This version of Kanter I'd actually be happy with going forward. rather see him happily do the dirty work than have my star player having to do it all.
Perhaps Kanter is KP's Oakley. And no, there games are nothing alike. I'm only talking about the role they play.
GONYK wrote:Thugger HBC wrote:I don't see how Kanter clogs the paint. KP especially seems to be dunking and operating more in the paint than his first two years combined. Perhaps Kanter clogs the paint because he drags double teams and help to contain him when he's looking to score down there. Dude is an absolute load on offense down there, and usually is the middle of rebound action with two or more opponents fighting for that same rebound.
Even if he is, it isn't affecting KP at all. KP seems to always be on the TV camera view side of the court opposite of Kanter or Kanter is near the top of the key to initiate the play.
He has made some strides on defense and that's not bad at all since defense is NOT his calling card, and never will be.
This version of Kanter I'd actually be happy with going forward. rather see him happily do the dirty work than have my star player having to do it all.
Perhaps Kanter is KP's Oakley. And no, there games are nothing alike. I'm only talking about the role they play.
This is an interesting thought to me, and one that I've considered over this win streak.
Kanter is not a good defender, let's put that on the table right now. But the dude is a tank, who brings a ton of physicality paired with a very high work rate.
He's doing all the bruising to opponent's front lines, and he demands their attention as soon as a shot goes up on either end.
I think a case can be made that Kanter is taking and dishing out a lot of abuse down low, so KP doesn't have to. That is keeping KP fresh, while tiring out the defense.
Clyde_Style wrote:QUESTION: Did his OKC teammates push Kanter to play proper defense or was it just OKC coaching staff benching him for not playing it well?
Our guys are getting in his face when he messes up. That could be a huge difference in how he improves his D. That and him learning to be vocal on defense.