Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[Negrodamus]

Tatum's a corner three specialist now? I was hearing his shot wouldn't translate to NBA three for all of last year. I wonder what other archetypes he'll break next...

[LloydFree]

Tatum's a corner three specialist now? I was hearing his shot wouldn't translate to NBA three for all of last year. I wonder what other archetypes he'll break next...

I don't remember anyone criticising his shooting or his skill level. People were critical of his athleticism. There were people saying he was Paul George, but he doesn't have that kind of quickness or burst. He's more Danny Granger, a level which is not generally #1 pick worthy.

[Kobblehead]

Tatum is still shooting 41% from regular three point range (7 for 17). It's not like he's living on the corner.

[Sixerscan]

Tatum's a corner three specialist now? I was hearing his shot wouldn't translate to NBA three for all of last year. I wonder what other archetypes he'll break next...

I don't remember anyone criticising his shooting or his skill level. People were critical of his athleticism. There were people saying he was Paul George, but he doesn't have that kind of quickness or burst. He's more Danny Granger, a level which is not generally #1 pick worthy.

He was terrible defensively in college. Would have Okafor moments where he had no idea where the ball was. It's pretty shocking how much better he's gotten on that end in such a short period of time.

As far as his shot goes. According to the NBA's tracking data he's taken one 3 all year that was contested (he missed it.) He's been "open" or "wide open" on every other three ball. Of course he's making the shots which is better than missing them, and he does show good spacial awareness in getting open, but he's living a bit of a blessed life being the 4th/5th option in that offense.

[Ryuzaki]

Combine Tatum and Brown and you might just get Markelle lmao

[Negrodamus]

Tatum's a corner three specialist now? I was hearing his shot wouldn't translate to NBA three for all of last year. I wonder what other archetypes he'll break next...

I don't remember anyone criticising his shooting or his skill level. People were critical of his athleticism. There were people saying he was Paul George, but he doesn't have that kind of quickness or burst. He's more Danny Granger, a level which is not generally #1 pick worthy.

You must have not been paying attention. His 34% from 3 at Duke was a rallying cry of many anti Tatum posters.

[Ericb5]

Tatum's a corner three specialist now? I was hearing his shot wouldn't translate to NBA three for all of last year. I wonder what other archetypes he'll break next...

I don't remember anyone criticising his shooting or his skill level. People were critical of his athleticism. There were people saying he was Paul George, but he doesn't have that kind of quickness or burst. He's more Danny Granger, a level which is not generally #1 pick worthy.

Definitely.

Tatum could clearly shoot, and score, and rebound.

The questions were about his ceiling as a defender, his ability to extend to the nba 3, and his lack of floor game.

It only took one look at Tatum to see that he would at least be a good quality nba player. The question was whether or not he was a better prospect than the other players taken in the draft.

Who has a higher ceiling, Dennis Smith or Jayson Tatum? I say Smith.

Who has a lower floor between those two? Smith again.

Although I would have taken Jackson over Tatum in a second, it is completely legitimate to have preferred Tatum, or even preferred Tatum number 1.

Tatum is not a surprise is my point.


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[LloydFree]

Tatum's a corner three specialist now? I was hearing his shot wouldn't translate to NBA three for all of last year. I wonder what other archetypes he'll break next...

I don't remember anyone criticising his shooting or his skill level. People were critical of his athleticism. There were people saying he was Paul George, but he doesn't have that kind of quickness or burst. He's more Danny Granger, a level which is not generally #1 pick worthy.

You must have not been paying attention. His 34% from 3 at Duke was a rallying cry of many anti Tatum posters.

You're probably right. I don't pay much attention to the posts showing prospect's 3pt℅ as an argument.

[PLO]

I had my concerns about Tatum through the college season but none of them were about his fundamentals - my concerns were over what I perceived as a lack of athleticism and how that would impact him finishing and defensively. Those concerns remain (in terms of him being a next level superstar) but were alleviated somewhat when he grew something like 2 or 3 inches through the college season. Going into the draft I really didn't have any concerns about his shooting. He's just so fundamentally advanced compared to players of that age. Guys like that generally pick up the nuances of the NBA both offensively and defensively very quickly because they are clearly quick learners. Probably the only other player in the draft as fundamentally advanced is.....Markelle Fultz.

[76ciology]

Fultz and Tatum are likely to be very good players. But Fultz is more likely to be an elite player.

Why? Elite size for position that Fultz should be able to defend PG&wings, while almost no holes to his game.

And that plus fit is why we have to pay a big price for him.

[Unbreakable99]

Fultz and Tatum are likely to be very good players. But Fultz is more likely to be an elite player.

Why? Elite size for position that Fultz should be able to defend PG&wings, while almost no holes to his game.

And that plus fit is why we have to pay a big price for him.

Disagree.

[cksdayoff]

Ive been living in the draft threads in this 76ers forum and i dont remember anyone criticizing tatum on his 3 point shooting ability

[theo42]

Tatum is absolutely a very good player. Much better than I yhought he would be at slashing and getting to the rim.

Having said that...I still would take Markelle over him. MF is going to be a killer on this team. He is going to be the guy taking the last shot, he is going to be the guy living at the foul line. He is going to be a defensive gem and this team is going to dominate in the next couple of years.

[ivysixer2000]

Fultz and Tatum are likely to be very good players. But Fultz is more likely to be an elite player.

Why? Elite size for position that Fultz should be able to defend PG&wings, while almost no holes to his game.

And that plus fit is why we have to pay a big price for him.

We need an elite guard on this team, if we draft Tatum we don't have any guard with that potential at all and none are available next year either.

If we draft Tatum, who do we have at guard for the next 5 years.....TJ?? Bayless?? JJ?? Come on, really.

Its really a no brainer like you said, we can get an elite forward better than Tatum will ever be in free agency (Bron, Cousins).....elite guards usually don't become available cause they are just harder to get. Rather take a chance on Fultz for this team than just another forward in Tatum cause elite level guards are harder to get your hands on.

[ivysixer2000]

Tatum's a corner three specialist now? I was hearing his shot wouldn't translate to NBA three for all of last year. I wonder what other archetypes he'll break next...

I don't remember anyone criticising his shooting or his skill level. People were critical of his athleticism. There were people saying he was Paul George, but he doesn't have that kind of quickness or burst. He's more Danny Granger, a level which is not generally #1 pick worthy.

He was terrible defensively in college. Would have Okafor moments where he had no idea where the ball was. It's pretty shocking how much better he's gotten on that end in such a short period of time.

As far as his shot goes. According to the NBA's tracking data he's taken one 3 all year that was contested (he missed it.) He's been "open" or "wide open" on every other three ball. Of course he's making the shots which is better than missing them, and he does show good spacial awareness in getting open, but he's living a bit of a blessed life being the 4th/5th option in that offense.

Nice post.

Too bad everyone on the Ball, then Josh, then Tatum, then whatever favor of the month train will ignore it. Tatum benefits from being on a good team, thats really about it. His 16/2/1/0stl/0blks was really worth drooling over last night.

Stevens is a really good coach to have that team so good defensively, he's outstanding.

[Unbreakable99]

I don't remember anyone criticising his shooting or his skill level. People were critical of his athleticism. There were people saying he was Paul George, but he doesn't have that kind of quickness or burst. He's more Danny Granger, a level which is not generally #1 pick worthy.

He was terrible defensively in college. Would have Okafor moments where he had no idea where the ball was. It's pretty shocking how much better he's gotten on that end in such a short period of time.

As far as his shot goes. According to the NBA's tracking data he's taken one 3 all year that was contested (he missed it.) He's been "open" or "wide open" on every other three ball. Of course he's making the shots which is better than missing them, and he does show good spacial awareness in getting open, but he's living a bit of a blessed life being the 4th/5th option in that offense.

Nice post.

Too bad everyone on the Ball, then Josh, then Tatum, then whatever favor of the month train will ignore it. Tatum benefits from being on a good team, thats really about it. His 16/2/1/0stl/0blks was really worth drooling over last night.

Stevens is a really good coach to have that team so good defensively, he's outstanding.

Tatum benefits from being on a good team but he’d be doing the same thing on our team. He doesn’t even take that many shots. If he took more shots he would average 20 points.

[76ciology]

Fultz and Tatum are likely to be very good players. But Fultz is more likely to be an elite player.

Why? Elite size for position that Fultz should be able to defend PG&wings, while almost no holes to his game.

And that plus fit is why we have to pay a big price for him.

We need an elite guard on this team, if we draft Tatum we don't have any guard with that potential at all and none are available next year either.

If we draft Tatum, who do we have at guard for the next 5 years.....TJ?? Bayless?? JJ?? Come on, really.

Its really a no brainer like you said, we can get an elite forward better than Tatum will ever be in free agency (Bron, Cousins).....elite guards usually don't become available cause they are just harder to get. Rather take a chance on Fultz for this team than just another forward in Tatum cause elite level guards are harder to get your hands on.

I'll make it simple. Elite teams have elite scoring PGs.

[ivysixer2000]

He was terrible defensively in college. Would have Okafor moments where he had no idea where the ball was. It's pretty shocking how much better he's gotten on that end in such a short period of time.

As far as his shot goes. According to the NBA's tracking data he's taken one 3 all year that was contested (he missed it.) He's been "open" or "wide open" on every other three ball. Of course he's making the shots which is better than missing them, and he does show good spacial awareness in getting open, but he's living a bit of a blessed life being the 4th/5th option in that offense.

Nice post.

Too bad everyone on the Ball, then Josh, then Tatum, then whatever favor of the month train will ignore it. Tatum benefits from being on a good team, thats really about it. His 16/2/1/0stl/0blks was really worth drooling over last night.

Stevens is a really good coach to have that team so good defensively, he's outstanding.

Tatum benefits from being on a good team but he’d be doing the same thing on our team. He doesn’t even take that many shots. If he took more shots he would average 20 points.

He is slightly better than I thought he would be defensively, but 13.7/5.7/1.8 as a starter playing 30 mins a night on a good team....yawwwnnn. He's a PF and Fultz could average 5 rebs from the guard spot.

Your still ignoring the fact that we need a potentially elite guard, and not a forward, and we can get a way better forward than Tatum next offseason but we can't get an elite guard in either the draft or free agency.

[Unbreakable99]

Nice post.

Too bad everyone on the Ball, then Josh, then Tatum, then whatever favor of the month train will ignore it. Tatum benefits from being on a good team, thats really about it. His 16/2/1/0stl/0blks was really worth drooling over last night.

Stevens is a really good coach to have that team so good defensively, he's outstanding.

Tatum benefits from being on a good team but he’d be doing the same thing on our team. He doesn’t even take that many shots. If he took more shots he would average 20 points.

He is slightly better than I thought he would be defensively, but 13.7/5.7/1.8 as a starter playing 30 mins a night on a good team....yawwwnnn. He's a PF and Fultz could average 5 rebs from the guard spot.

Your still ignoring the fact that we need a potentially elite guard, and not a forward, and we can get a way better forward than Tatum next offseason but we can't get an elite guard in either the draft or free agency.

You’re just counting stats. He’s like the 4th option. He doesn’t take as many shots. If he took as many shots as Simmons he would averag about 20 points. He’s playing PF but he can play SF too. He can create his own shot and shoot 3s. He would be more impactful than a healthy Fultz in my opinion if Tatum were on our team. Don’t you agree after Simmons Tatum is the best rookie?

[Negrodamus]

Ive been living in the draft threads in this 76ers forum and i dont remember anyone criticizing tatum on his 3 point shooting ability

Must have missed it. I remember since I was one of the only people defending taking him at #3.