Markelle Fultz Discussion II

[Negrodamus]

Tatum benefits from being on a good team but he’d be doing the same thing on our team. He doesn’t even take that many shots. If he took more shots he would average 20 points.

He is slightly better than I thought he would be defensively, but 13.7/5.7/1.8 as a starter playing 30 mins a night on a good team....yawwwnnn. He's a PF and Fultz could average 5 rebs from the guard spot.

Your still ignoring the fact that we need a potentially elite guard, and not a forward, and we can get a way better forward than Tatum next offseason but we can't get an elite guard in either the draft or free agency.

You’re just counting stats. He’s like the 4th option. He doesn’t take as many shots. If he took as many shots as Simmons he would averag about 20 points. He’s playing PF but he can play SF too. He can create his own shot and shoot 3s. He would be more impactful than a healthy Fultz in my opinion if Tatum were on our team. Don’t you agree after Simmons Tatum is the best rookie?

It's amazing the standard some are holding to a 19 year old who is playing extremely efficient in his first 13 games.

[Unbreakable99]

He is slightly better than I thought he would be defensively, but 13.7/5.7/1.8 as a starter playing 30 mins a night on a good team....yawwwnnn. He's a PF and Fultz could average 5 rebs from the guard spot.

Your still ignoring the fact that we need a potentially elite guard, and not a forward, and we can get a way better forward than Tatum next offseason but we can't get an elite guard in either the draft or free agency.

You’re just counting stats. He’s like the 4th option. He doesn’t take as many shots. If he took as many shots as Simmons he would averag about 20 points. He’s playing PF but he can play SF too. He can create his own shot and shoot 3s. He would be more impactful than a healthy Fultz in my opinion if Tatum were on our team. Don’t you agree after Simmons Tatum is the best rookie?

It's amazing the standard some are holding to a 19 year old who is playing extremely efficient in his first 13 games.

Yup. Some people just don’t want to admit how good Tatum is playing. He’s clearly the best rookie after Simmons. His stats would look even better if he played on a worse team where he was the 2nd or 3rd option.

[Ericb5]

Why wouldn’t people want to admit that a player is playing well? I don’t understand that.

He was universally considered a top 5 pick in a pretty flat draft 1-10 talent wise.

It would be more surprising if he wasn’t playing well just like it is somewhat surprising that Ball is struggling.


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[Unbreakable99]

Why wouldn’t people want to admit that a player is playing well? I don’t understand that.

He was universally considered a top 5 pick in a pretty flat draft 1-10 talent wise.

It would be more surprising if he wasn’t playing well just like it is somewhat surprising that Ball is struggling.


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I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

[Sixerscan]

Why wouldn’t people want to admit that a player is playing well? I don’t understand that.

He was universally considered a top 5 pick in a pretty flat draft 1-10 talent wise.

It would be more surprising if he wasn’t playing well just like it is somewhat surprising that Ball is struggling.


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I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

Who is not admitting that he is playing well for a 19 year old rookie? Find me someone that says he isn't one of the best rookies in this class? The difference is that for the last 6 months you have wanted to talk about nothing but that trade. I told you a month ago that if you obsessed with regular updates that people would get annoyed. I am not going to check in with you about my Jayson Tatum take ever 5 minutes. The guy is averaging 14 points a night and you are talking about him more than anyone that is actually on the team that you purportedly root for. Go join the Celtics forum I am sure they would be happy to talk about him.

[BullyKing]

Why wouldn’t people want to admit that a player is playing well? I don’t understand that.

He was universally considered a top 5 pick in a pretty flat draft 1-10 talent wise.

It would be more surprising if he wasn’t playing well just like it is somewhat surprising that Ball is struggling.


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I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

It is so ridiculous watching you wrap yourself in Tatum as if he was the prospect you've been talking about nonstop. You are so confident that you are a scouting wizard that you have 100% confidence in your opinion of Fultz yet appear to have missed horribly on Lonzo. So does that make you question whether your opinion of Fultz might be wrong as well? Nope, you just pretend like it was Tatum you wanted this entire time.

[Unbreakable99]

Why wouldn’t people want to admit that a player is playing well? I don’t understand that.

He was universally considered a top 5 pick in a pretty flat draft 1-10 talent wise.

It would be more surprising if he wasn’t playing well just like it is somewhat surprising that Ball is struggling.


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I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

Who is not admitting that he is playing well for a 19 year old rookie? Find me someone that says he isn't one of the best rookies in this class? The difference is that for the last 6 months you have wanted to talk about nothing but that trade. I told you a month ago that if you obsessed with regular updates that people would get annoyed. I am not going to check in with you about my Jayson Tatum take ever 5 minutes. The guy is averaging 14 points a night and you are talking about him more than anyone that is actually on the team that you purportedly root for. Go join the Celtics forum I am sure they would be happy to talk about him.

I was replying to someone who said Tatum wasn’t that great and pointed to his stats saying he only scores like 14 points. He made it seem as if Tatum is too hyped. So he’s one person.

[Gsraider]

Yup. Some people just don’t want to admit how good Tatum is playing. He’s clearly the best rookie after Simmons. His stats would look even better if he played on a worse team where he was the 2nd or 3rd option.

I'm not sure why anyone has a problem admitting this or why it comes as a surprise. Tatum was widely regarded as one of the more polished players coming out and someone that might have more immediate success than other prospects. We'll see where they all stack up in year 3.

[Ericb5]

Why wouldn’t people want to admit that a player is playing well? I don’t understand that.

He was universally considered a top 5 pick in a pretty flat draft 1-10 talent wise.

It would be more surprising if he wasn’t playing well just like it is somewhat surprising that Ball is struggling.


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I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

Well people aren’t supposed to judge players based on who they play for, and if people DO do that then it is fairly obvious that they are unserious, and irrational so evidence won’t have any effect on them.

Tatum was generally expected to be this good, and that is why he was taken 3rd. Nobody argued that it was a reach to take him there.

Some people preferred other people at 3, but I can’t honestly say that I remember ANYONE on this board saying that he couldn’t play. I would venture to guess that at least 90% of the board would call him a better prospect than Brandon Ingram.


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[Unbreakable99]

Why wouldn’t people want to admit that a player is playing well? I don’t understand that.

He was universally considered a top 5 pick in a pretty flat draft 1-10 talent wise.

It would be more surprising if he wasn’t playing well just like it is somewhat surprising that Ball is struggling.


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I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

It is so ridiculous watching you wrap yourself in Tatum as if he was the prospect you've been talking about nonstop. You are so confident that you are a scouting wizard that you have 100% confidence in your opinion of Fultz yet appear to have missed horribly on Lonzo. So does that make you question whether your opinion of Fultz might be wrong as well? Nope, you just pretend like it was Tatum you wanted this entire time.

The difference is that I maintained all along that there were about a group of 6 or so players who were very close in talent. Since it was very close I wouldn’t have traded up for anyone including Ball or Jackson. I said Ball is the best prospect but I never said I would trade up for him. I wanted him badly though. Since there was no transcendent talent I just wanted to stay at 3. It was way to risky to trade up and give up a great asset. And again I liked Fultz as a prospect since I ranked him 3rd. People act like I hate Fultz. Ranking someone 3rd doesn’t mean I don’t like them. It’s just the trade up was not worth it. And trading with Boston who will probably be our biggest competition to get to the finals I didn’t like. We helped them by just handing them another great prospect in next years or 2019 draft. And I did like Tatum too. He was a player I would have been fine with along with about 4 other players if we stayed at 3.

[Sixerscan]

I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

Who is not admitting that he is playing well for a 19 year old rookie? Find me someone that says he isn't one of the best rookies in this class? The difference is that for the last 6 months you have wanted to talk about nothing but that trade. I told you a month ago that if you obsessed with regular updates that people would get annoyed. I am not going to check in with you about my Jayson Tatum take ever 5 minutes. The guy is averaging 14 points a night and you are talking about him more than anyone that is actually on the team that you purportedly root for. Go join the Celtics forum I am sure they would be happy to talk about him.

I was replying to someone who said Tatum wasn’t that great and pointed to his stats saying he only scores like 14 points. He made it seem as if Tatum is too hyped. So he’s one person.

Idk what "not that great" means. You specifically are overhyping him, because you are way too concerned about that draft and that trade.

[Ericb5]

I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

Who is not admitting that he is playing well for a 19 year old rookie? Find me someone that says he isn't one of the best rookies in this class? The difference is that for the last 6 months you have wanted to talk about nothing but that trade. I told you a month ago that if you obsessed with regular updates that people would get annoyed. I am not going to check in with you about my Jayson Tatum take ever 5 minutes. The guy is averaging 14 points a night and you are talking about him more than anyone that is actually on the team that you purportedly root for. Go join the Celtics forum I am sure they would be happy to talk about him.

I was replying to someone who said Tatum wasn’t that great and pointed to his stats saying he only scores like 14 points. He made it seem as if Tatum is too hyped. So he’s one person.

He isn’t great. You have a warped sense of what a great player, or even a great rookie is, if you think that Tatum is great.

He is exactly what he was expected to be so far. Most people considered him one of the most nba ready players in the draft, and that is exactly what he has shown to be.

Whether he turns into an allstar someday is no more or less likely than it was in June, and he is anything but great.

What he is, is physically ready, with a veteran team, and a great coach, and he is showing that he belongs.

In 3 years we will be able to look back and rerank the players in this draft, and he could end up First or tenth, which is the same thing that could have been said before the draft.

The same thing could be said for Ball, or Fultz too. They just haven’t started out as well as Tatum has.


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[LloydFree]

Why wouldn’t people want to admit that a player is playing well? I don’t understand that.

He was universally considered a top 5 pick in a pretty flat draft 1-10 talent wise.

It would be more surprising if he wasn’t playing well just like it is somewhat surprising that Ball is struggling.


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I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

It is so ridiculous watching you wrap yourself in Tatum as if he was the prospect you've been talking about nonstop. You are so confident that you are a scouting wizard that you have 100% confidence in your opinion of Fultz yet appear to have missed horribly on Lonzo. So does that make you question whether your opinion of Fultz might be wrong as well? Nope, you just pretend like it was Tatum you wanted this entire time.

I don't get your attack on him for pointing out something that is obvious and true. You don't attack the guys who are spitting out stupidly, pretending Tatum hasn't looked better than Fultz and isn't playing well. He has the right in the Fultz thread, to talk about the player we basically gave Boston for Fultz. Fultz looks like dookey, but rather than talk about that, you'd rather insult the guys that said it was a mistake to draft him.

[JojoSlimbiid]

I love how they just ignore Lonzo and Josh Jackson. Now it's a group of 6 players all talented. Hmm I remember a clearly different story going into the draft. However Lonzo and Josh are healthy and garbage so they don't fit our narrative. Let's reach for Tatum...while we're at it why not reach in and include Lauri? We tried to include Dennis Smith after summer league but he's sucked so we can't use him for our narrative. Let's focus on Tatum who has played well as like the 5th option on a team that made the EC finals last year.

[mithrandir17]

who's with me in saying this thread will reach 100 pages before fultz plays his next game?

[Sixerscan]

I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

It is so ridiculous watching you wrap yourself in Tatum as if he was the prospect you've been talking about nonstop. You are so confident that you are a scouting wizard that you have 100% confidence in your opinion of Fultz yet appear to have missed horribly on Lonzo. So does that make you question whether your opinion of Fultz might be wrong as well? Nope, you just pretend like it was Tatum you wanted this entire time.

I don't get your attack on him for pointing out something that is obvious and true. You don't attack the guys who are spitting out stupidly, pretending Tatum hasn't looked better than Fultz and isn't playing well. He has the right in the Fultz thread, talk about the player we basically gave Boston for Fultz. Fultz looks like dookey, but rather than talk about that, you'd rather insult the guys that said it was a mistake to draft him.

who is saying that Tatum hasn't looked better than an injured (or whatever) Fultz? The point is they are 19 years old and this trade won't be decided for years. And you guys obsessing about this trade for the last 5 months has been super annoying, made more annoying and hypocritical by the fact that the players that the two of you were crying about not getting (ball and Jackson) haven't looked anything special.

Do you really not get why you guys crying about this trade constantly 5 months after it happened is more annoying than being potentially homerish about a player on our team? Do you not get that this is a Sixers fan forum not a place that people go to get Lloydfree's 2017 draft takes? I'm sure you are aware that there is a forum on this site for you to talk about that.

This is ridiculous. The Sixers have made plenty of actual bad draft picks before. They have passed on actual future hall of famers before. In my nearly 13 years of being on this forum I've never had to deal with a group of people that were this obsessed about a single transaction not working out the way they wanted. Especially when there is so much other exciting stuff going on with this team. I'm not sure how many more hints you guys need.

[cksdayoff]

the only one who can thump his chest on tatum around here is negrodamus and im sure most of us said tatum would be a good scorer in this league pre draft

[Ericb5]

I think it’s obvious why they wouldn’t want to admit it. He plays for a rival in the Celtics is the main reason. Then Fultz is “hurt” and not playing now which compounds that. Then BC trading a great asset to move up which could potentially be a player just as good or maybe worse than Tatum adds to that. That’s why Bodner put on twitter the other day of fans would still do that trade today and many people got mad. When you combine all that it’s easy to see why some don’t want to admit Tatum is playing very well.

It is so ridiculous watching you wrap yourself in Tatum as if he was the prospect you've been talking about nonstop. You are so confident that you are a scouting wizard that you have 100% confidence in your opinion of Fultz yet appear to have missed horribly on Lonzo. So does that make you question whether your opinion of Fultz might be wrong as well? Nope, you just pretend like it was Tatum you wanted this entire time.

I don't get your attack on him for pointing out something that is obvious and true. You don't attack the guys who are spitting out stupidly, pretending Tatum hasn't looked better than Fultz and isn't playing well. He has the right in the Fultz thread, to talk about the player we basically gave Boston for Fultz. Fultz looks like dookey, but rather than talk about that, you'd rather insult the guys that said it was a mistake to draft him.

Fultz doesn’t look like anything because he is injured and not playing. Just because you believe that he is Dookey doesn’t mean that he is looking like anything.

Also, how a player looks in the first month of their career is pretty close to irrelevant in terms of whether or not to draft them.


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[Ryuzaki]

You’re just counting stats. He’s like the 4th option. He doesn’t take as many shots. If he took as many shots as Simmons he would averag about 20 points. He’s playing PF but he can play SF too. He can create his own shot and shoot 3s. He would be more impactful than a healthy Fultz in my opinion if Tatum were on our team. Don’t you agree after Simmons Tatum is the best rookie?

It's amazing the standard some are holding to a 19 year old who is playing extremely efficient in his first 13 games.

Yup. Some people just don’t want to admit how good Tatum is playing. He’s clearly the best rookie after Simmons. His stats would look even better if he played on a worse team where he was the 2nd or 3rd option.

Wouldn't say he's been "clearly" better than Lauri. Who now that I think, would have been a superb pick had we stayed at 3.

[Mik317]

Tatum has been really good for a 19 year old. Anyone who denies that is a hater.

THAT being said, it is hilarious to see the flip floppers using him as a tool to once again bash Fultz. I remmeber the exact line being "at least Ainge wasted the pick on Tatum". The anti Fultz brigade was super high on Ball, Jackson and even Smith before Tatum...Tatum was barely mentioned outside of Negrodamus. This whole "oh there was 6 guys all along" **** is revisionist history at best...and even if that was the case Tatum was not high on that list of 6. Some of yall have a hard time coming to grips that maybe just maybe you aren't the amazing flawless draft gurus you act like and maybe your take on Fultz was wrong too.
its sad at this point, when you got fools going " well Ball shooting under 30% isn't that bad doe".


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