Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[kg01]

At this time, I am not looking to move anyone. What about you guys?

Maybe by ASB, if someone offers a 1st for Belli or Dedmon, I would listen but not for Dennis, Collins, Prince or Bembry.

At this time, only if it's an offer we can't refuse.

Agree with jayu, likely we'll keep a vet just to help facilitate development. Likely it'll be 'Sova.

I also think it's hilarious how all the trade-thread stuff including the Hawks is basically us taking back other teams' crap. And the explanation is always, "Bwah, Hawks needs to move dees vets to give the young guys minutes." Although the poster has no idea who are "young guys" are.

Either that or they're trying to force bad contracts or rookies in the last year of their deal on us. "Bwah, so-and-so could be a diamond in the rough. Sure, he can't get off the bench for the 6ers in his 4th year, but for the Hawks ...."

Sounds like I'll be telling folks all year, "We. Don't. Want. Your. Crap."

[Spud2nique]

At this time, I am not looking to move anyone. What about you guys?

Maybe by ASB, if someone offers a 1st for Belli or Dedmon, I would listen but not for Dennis, Collins, Prince or Bembry.

At this time, only if it's an offer we can't refuse.

Agree with jayu, likely we'll keep a vet just to help facilitate development. Likely it'll be 'Sova.

I also think it's hilarious how all the trade-thread stuff including the Hawks is basically us taking back other teams' crap. And the explanation is always, "Bwah, Hawks needs to move dees vets to give the young guys minutes." Although the poster has no idea who are "young guys" are.

Either that or they're trying to force bad contracts or rookies in the last year of their deal on us. "Bwah, so-and-so could be a diamond in the rough. Sure, he can't get off the bench for the 6ers in his 4th year, but for the Hawks ...."

Sounds like I'll be telling folks all year, "We. Don't. Want. Your. Crap."

I want us to hold onto Belinelli, Ersan and the rest of our expendable vets until the trade deadline where teams like the Warriors (don't ever help them)...or the Celts (not them either) are looking for help at guard because Draymond Green tore an ACL or the Thunder need some help because they finally realize that Carmelo is trash.

That's when they come begging, and if we feel like it, we help them, come crawling babies...

Ps Not the way I operate with friends otherwise I'd be all alone, have no friends and just post on Realgm all day long...amarite? Or amarite?

[jayu70]

At this time, I am not looking to move anyone. What about you guys?

Maybe by ASB, if someone offers a 1st for Belli or Dedmon, I would listen but not for Dennis, Collins, Prince or Bembry.

At this time, only if it's an offer we can't refuse.

Agree with jayu, likely we'll keep a vet just to help facilitate development. Likely it'll be 'Sova.

I also think it's hilarious how all the trade-thread stuff including the Hawks is basically us taking back other teams' crap. And the explanation is always, "Bwah, Hawks needs to move dees vets to give the young guys minutes." Although the poster has no idea who are "young guys" are.

Either that or they're trying to force bad contracts or rookies in the last year of their deal on us. "Bwah, so-and-so could be a diamond in the rough. Sure, he can't get off the bench for the 6ers in his 4th year, but for the Hawks ...."

Sounds like I'll be telling folks all year, "We. Don't. Want. Your. Crap."

I want us to hold onto Belinelli, Ersan and the rest of our expendable vets until the trade deadline where teams like the Warriors (don't ever help them)...or the Celts (not them either) are looking for help at guard because Draymond Green tore an ACL or the Thunder need some help because they finally realize that Carmelo is trash.

That's when they come begging, and if we feel like it, we help them, come crawling babies...

Ps Not the way I operate with friends otherwise I'd be all alone, have no friends and just post on Realgm all day long...amarite? Or amarite?

Exactly, no rush with this...teams like the Wiz (bench), Minny (shooter), Pels (shooter) OKC (bench) will be looking fro pieces at the trade deadline.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Jazz fan here.

What would it take to send Alec Burks to y'all for Ersan and Babbit?

We'd like to clear AB's salary this year and open more space to be aggressive in this next offseason's free agency. Ersan and Babbit for AB straight up works money wise... just wondering what other incentives (if any) would be needed to make the deal happen. Both are expiring and we might actually be able to use Ersan in some spot stretch 4 minutes if Joe Johnson doesn't come back around.

[King Ken]

Jazz fan here.

What would it take to send Alec Burks to y'all for Ersan and Babbit?

We'd like to clear AB's salary this year and open more space to be aggressive in this next offseason's free agency. Ersan and Babbit for AB straight up works money wise... just wondering what other incentives (if any) would be needed to make the deal happen. Both are expiring and we might actually be able to use Ersan in some spot stretch 4 minutes if Joe Johnson doesn't come back around.

His contract makes it a no alone for us since it's not an expiring. Right now, we aren't in the market for any bad contracts unless it's a D'Angelo Russell type of deal where you send us a player like Donovan Mitchell which wouldn't make any sense for Utah. Just not interested. Carrying cap flexibility into FA is more important than using the actual cap space for us.

That said, would you be interested in Plumlee for Burks since Gobert is out?

[King Ken]

At this time, I am not looking to move anyone. What about you guys?

Maybe by ASB, if someone offers a 1st for Belli or Dedmon, I would listen but not for Dennis, Collins, Prince or Bembry.

At this time, only if it's an offer we can't refuse.

Agree with jayu, likely we'll keep a vet just to help facilitate development. Likely it'll be 'Sova.

I also think it's hilarious how all the trade-thread stuff including the Hawks is basically us taking back other teams' crap. And the explanation is always, "Bwah, Hawks needs to move dees vets to give the young guys minutes." Although the poster has no idea who are "young guys" are.

Either that or they're trying to force bad contracts or rookies in the last year of their deal on us. "Bwah, so-and-so could be a diamond in the rough. Sure, he can't get off the bench for the 6ers in his 4th year, but for the Hawks ...."

Sounds like I'll be telling folks all year, "We. Don't. Want. Your. Crap."

That's the norm on that board. Teams they don't care for, they tend to screw over in deals. We happen to be one of them. Overall, most trades on that board tend to be bad more times than not. That said, it's interesting to read nonetheless.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Jazz fan here.

What would it take to send Alec Burks to y'all for Ersan and Babbit?

We'd like to clear AB's salary this year and open more space to be aggressive in this next offseason's free agency. Ersan and Babbit for AB straight up works money wise... just wondering what other incentives (if any) would be needed to make the deal happen. Both are expiring and we might actually be able to use Ersan in some spot stretch 4 minutes if Joe Johnson doesn't come back around.

His contract makes it a no alone for us since it's not an expiring. Right now, we aren't in the market for any bad contracts unless it's a D'Angelo Russell type of deal where you send us a player like Donovan Mitchell which wouldn't make any sense for Utah. Just not interested. Carrying cap flexibility into FA is more important than using the actual cap space for us.

That said, would you be interested in Plumlee for Burks since Gobert is out?

That seems like an unreasonably high price for those guys... Are either Ersan or Babbit even in the rotation? Not to mention their ages.

Not even draft pick assets would grease the wheels enough, eh? I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

And no, we're not interested in Plumlee unless you're including draft pick assets. We have Derrick Favors filling in right now, and he's already an expiring contract and is infinitely better than Plumlee.

[Cappy_Smurf]

I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

Cap space can be extremely valuable to a team in rebuild mode, specifically for deals like he mentioned with Russell to the Nets. Especially next offseason when cap space will be hard to come by. I thought his explanation was pretty straight forward. They'd rather bide their time and see if they can score something more valuable by selling their cap space at a premium, which makes sense.

[dms269]

Jazz fan here.

What would it take to send Alec Burks to y'all for Ersan and Babbit?

We'd like to clear AB's salary this year and open more space to be aggressive in this next offseason's free agency. Ersan and Babbit for AB straight up works money wise... just wondering what other incentives (if any) would be needed to make the deal happen. Both are expiring and we might actually be able to use Ersan in some spot stretch 4 minutes if Joe Johnson doesn't come back around.

His contract makes it a no alone for us since it's not an expiring. Right now, we aren't in the market for any bad contracts unless it's a D'Angelo Russell type of deal where you send us a player like Donovan Mitchell which wouldn't make any sense for Utah. Just not interested. Carrying cap flexibility into FA is more important than using the actual cap space for us.

That said, would you be interested in Plumlee for Burks since Gobert is out?

That seems like an unreasonably high price for those guys... Are either Ersan or Babbit even in the rotation? Not to mention their ages.

Not even draft pick assets would grease the wheels enough, eh? I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

And no, we're not interested in Plumlee unless you're including draft pick assets. We have Derrick Favors filling in right now, and he's already an expiring contract and is infinitely better than Plumlee.

I think it would depend on the picks that are returning. To me, Ersan and Babbitt don't carry value on their own. Unlike, Dedmon and Belinelli who do.

Like what was said, Atlanta needs the cap to be able to be a player in trades. Take on a two year deal for a first? Sure. Kinda similar to the Crawford deal this offseason.


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[jayu70]

Jazz fan here.

What would it take to send Alec Burks to y'all for Ersan and Babbit?

We'd like to clear AB's salary this year and open more space to be aggressive in this next offseason's free agency. Ersan and Babbit for AB straight up works money wise... just wondering what other incentives (if any) would be needed to make the deal happen. Both are expiring and we might actually be able to use Ersan in some spot stretch 4 minutes if Joe Johnson doesn't come back around.

His contract makes it a no alone for us since it's not an expiring. Right now, we aren't in the market for any bad contracts unless it's a D'Angelo Russell type of deal where you send us a player like Donovan Mitchell which wouldn't make any sense for Utah. Just not interested. Carrying cap flexibility into FA is more important than using the actual cap space for us.

That said, would you be interested in Plumlee for Burks since Gobert is out?

That seems like an unreasonably high price for those guys... Are either Ersan or Babbit even in the rotation? Not to mention their ages.

Not even draft pick assets would grease the wheels enough, eh? I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

And no, we're not interested in Plumlee unless you're including draft pick assets. We have Derrick Favors filling in right now, and he's already an expiring contract and is infinitely better than Plumlee.

Yes both are firmly planted in the rotation.
Ersan has been injured (4 games played) and played his 2nd game back last night.
Babbit filled in for Ersan and has been shooting lights out for us. Hawks aren't trading you useful players and helping your capsheet next year while tying up their own.
Our capspace is IMPORTANT - not just for chasing FAs but for renting the space on a high dollar SHORT TERM contract for a 1st round pick like we did with the Jamaal Crawford deal.
Their ages have nothing to do with anything, I'm sure when they signed in the offseason they understood the Hawks were rebuilding.
The GM wants to have financial flexibility to gain assests. If the Hawks aren't getting an young assest on a cheap contract or pick (2nd) for them, I'd rather keep them and let them expire and rent our capspace for a 1st.

[kg01]

His contract makes it a no alone for us since it's not an expiring. Right now, we aren't in the market for any bad contracts unless it's a D'Angelo Russell type of deal where you send us a player like Donovan Mitchell which wouldn't make any sense for Utah. Just not interested. Carrying cap flexibility into FA is more important than using the actual cap space for us.

That said, would you be interested in Plumlee for Burks since Gobert is out?

That seems like an unreasonably high price for those guys... Are either Ersan or Babbit even in the rotation? Not to mention their ages.

Not even draft pick assets would grease the wheels enough, eh? I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

And no, we're not interested in Plumlee unless you're including draft pick assets. We have Derrick Favors filling in right now, and he's already an expiring contract and is infinitely better than Plumlee.

Yes both are firmly planted in the rotation.
Ersan has been injured (4 games played) and played his 2nd game back last night.
Babbit filled in for Ersan and has been shooting lights out for us. Hawks aren't trading you useful players and helping your capsheet next year while tying up their own.
Our capspace is IMPORTANT - not just for chasing FAs but for renting the space on a high dollar SHORT TERM contract for a 1st round pick like we did with the Jamaal Crawford deal.
Their ages have nothing to do with anything, I'm sure when they signed in the offseason they understood the Hawks were rebuilding.
The GM wants to have financial flexibility to gain assests. If the Hawks aren't getting an young assest on a cheap contract or pick (2nd) for them, I'd rather keep them and let them expire and rent our capspace for a 1st.

Yep.

I have no idea why people don't get that letting deals expire in lieu of simply panic-trading them is actually not a bad thing.

[King Ken]

His contract makes it a no alone for us since it's not an expiring. Right now, we aren't in the market for any bad contracts unless it's a D'Angelo Russell type of deal where you send us a player like Donovan Mitchell which wouldn't make any sense for Utah. Just not interested. Carrying cap flexibility into FA is more important than using the actual cap space for us.

That said, would you be interested in Plumlee for Burks since Gobert is out?

That seems like an unreasonably high price for those guys... Are either Ersan or Babbit even in the rotation? Not to mention their ages.

Not even draft pick assets would grease the wheels enough, eh? I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

And no, we're not interested in Plumlee unless you're including draft pick assets. We have Derrick Favors filling in right now, and he's already an expiring contract and is infinitely better than Plumlee.

I think it would depend on the picks that are returning. To me, Ersan and Babbitt don't carry value on their own. Unlike, Dedmon and Belinelli who do.

Like what was said, Atlanta needs the cap to be able to be a player in trades. Take on a two year deal for a first? Sure. Kinda similar to the Crawford deal this offseason.


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Different trade for multiple reasons. It was the off-season where we had established who was available for trade and who we can land. At the time, we looked at what were the best assets available. At this moment, there really isn't a good asset available from Utah. A future 1st will be protected and they would be an idiot to trade their 1st this year. This would only make sense in the off-season if they wanted to offer Burks. That way, we would already have what we need in terms of building. At that point, we would be in a better position to make this type of decision.

We have to look at the Jamal Crawford trade for what it was. It was the ability to add salary that we simply couldn't add via free agency without overpaying. We had to look at the fact that we were entry level in rebuilding. We had to improve our asset intake. Our asset intake is very good right now. 5 firsts in the next two seasons. Two, high firsts. We have signed numerous guys to sound contracts like Dedmon for example. At this point, we are going into the off-season with 24 million in cap space after signing a top 1-5 pick. This trade is something to look into in July. Taking an expiring for a 1st rounder from a team that needs cap but not right now. There is still a chance, we can get a D'Angelo Russell type of trade and that means, the 24 million we have is critical. Maybe in July, a team like LA doesn't something different to get rid of Deng which is realistically possible but as long as it's an option that we can land a high-level prospect with a bad contract. That's priority for a team in our position.

That said, Alec Burks/1st for cap-space in 2018 is an option in the off-season. Nothing is off the table depending on what's available.

[dms269]

That seems like an unreasonably high price for those guys... Are either Ersan or Babbit even in the rotation? Not to mention their ages.

Not even draft pick assets would grease the wheels enough, eh? I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

And no, we're not interested in Plumlee unless you're including draft pick assets. We have Derrick Favors filling in right now, and he's already an expiring contract and is infinitely better than Plumlee.

I think it would depend on the picks that are returning. To me, Ersan and Babbitt don't carry value on their own. Unlike, Dedmon and Belinelli who do.

Like what was said, Atlanta needs the cap to be able to be a player in trades. Take on a two year deal for a first? Sure. Kinda similar to the Crawford deal this offseason.


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Different trade for multiple reasons. It was the off-season where we had established who was available for trade and who we can land. At the time, we looked at what were the best assets available. At this moment, there really isn't a good asset available from Utah. A future 1st will be protected and they would be an idiot to trade their 1st this year. This would only make sense in the off-season if they wanted to offer Burks. That way, we would already have what we need in terms of building. At that point, we would be in a better position to make this type of decision.

We have to look at the Jamal Crawford trade for what it was. It was the ability to add salary that we simply couldn't add via free agency without overpaying. We had to look at the fact that we were entry level in rebuilding. We had to improve our asset intake. Our asset intake is very good right now. 5 firsts in the next two seasons. Two, high firsts. We have signed numerous guys to sound contracts like Dedmon for example. At this point, we are going into the off-season with 24 million in cap space after signing a top 1-5 pick. This trade is something to look into in July. Taking an expiring for a 1st rounder from a team that needs cap but not right now. There is still a chance, we can get a D'Angelo Russell type of trade and that means, the 24 million we have is critical. Maybe in July, a team like LA doesn't something different to get rid of Deng which is realistically possible but as long as it's an option that we can land a high-level prospect with a bad contract. That's priority for a team in our position.

That said, Alec Burks/1st for cap-space in 2018 is an option in the off-season. Nothing is off the table depending on what's available.

Completely disagree. No team is going to give a first to dump an expiring contract, especially one that is unprotected. Teams learned their lesson in trading picks, especially future ones.

In order to get a Russell type deal we would need to be able to trade a semi-useful piece (Lopez) whole taking back a player who has fallen out of favor (Russell) and take back one of the worst contracts in the league.

A smallish 2 year deal for players who barely play and you pick up a 1st? I would jump at it.

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[King Ken]

Jazz fan here.

What would it take to send Alec Burks to y'all for Ersan and Babbit?

We'd like to clear AB's salary this year and open more space to be aggressive in this next offseason's free agency. Ersan and Babbit for AB straight up works money wise... just wondering what other incentives (if any) would be needed to make the deal happen. Both are expiring and we might actually be able to use Ersan in some spot stretch 4 minutes if Joe Johnson doesn't come back around.

His contract makes it a no alone for us since it's not an expiring. Right now, we aren't in the market for any bad contracts unless it's a D'Angelo Russell type of deal where you send us a player like Donovan Mitchell which wouldn't make any sense for Utah. Just not interested. Carrying cap flexibility into FA is more important than using the actual cap space for us.

That said, would you be interested in Plumlee for Burks since Gobert is out?

That seems like an unreasonably high price for those guys... Are either Ersan or Babbit even in the rotation? Not to mention their ages.

Not even draft pick assets would grease the wheels enough, eh? I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

And no, we're not interested in Plumlee unless you're including draft pick assets. We have Derrick Favors filling in right now, and he's already an expiring contract and is infinitely better than Plumlee.

It is unreasonably high. I agree. But that's what it will take to take a bad contract. We need a valuable rebuilding asset. Alec Burks contract and ability aren't friendly to use. He would be a candidate to be released outright and we really don't need any SG's if they are not special. Especially on a silly deal. We have two bad contracts in Bazemore and Plumlee. One from a previous management team and the other was a trade upgrade over a toxic asset even if he's a bad contract in general. We really don't need any more unless the asset is higher than the value of the trade itself.

I don't know how else to explain it. Draft asset, depends? Your 2018 1st, top 3 protected like we got for Jamal Crawford has value we would be interested in for a bad contract. But a 2nd rounder or even a late 1st doesn't move us to take another bad contract as we are set-up nicely for the off-season as is. Like I said, come back in July. There is a better chance then than now.

As for Plumlee for Burks, I would have said the same thing. Worse contract and his need are less considering who you already have in Favors, Udoh, etc.

[jayu70]

I think it would depend on the picks that are returning. To me, Ersan and Babbitt don't carry value on their own. Unlike, Dedmon and Belinelli who do.

Like what was said, Atlanta needs the cap to be able to be a player in trades. Take on a two year deal for a first? Sure. Kinda similar to the Crawford deal this offseason.


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Different trade for multiple reasons. It was the off-season where we had established who was available for trade and who we can land. At the time, we looked at what were the best assets available. At this moment, there really isn't a good asset available from Utah. A future 1st will be protected and they would be an idiot to trade their 1st this year. This would only make sense in the off-season if they wanted to offer Burks. That way, we would already have what we need in terms of building. At that point, we would be in a better position to make this type of decision.

We have to look at the Jamal Crawford trade for what it was. It was the ability to add salary that we simply couldn't add via free agency without overpaying. We had to look at the fact that we were entry level in rebuilding. We had to improve our asset intake. Our asset intake is very good right now. 5 firsts in the next two seasons. Two, high firsts. We have signed numerous guys to sound contracts like Dedmon for example. At this point, we are going into the off-season with 24 million in cap space after signing a top 1-5 pick. This trade is something to look into in July. Taking an expiring for a 1st rounder from a team that needs cap but not right now. There is still a chance, we can get a D'Angelo Russell type of trade and that means, the 24 million we have is critical. Maybe in July, a team like LA doesn't something different to get rid of Deng which is realistically possible but as long as it's an option that we can land a high-level prospect with a bad contract. That's priority for a team in our position.

That said, Alec Burks/1st for cap-space in 2018 is an option in the off-season. Nothing is off the table depending on what's available.

Completely disagree. No team is going to give a first to dump an expiring contract, especially one that is unprotected. Teams learned their lesson in trading picks, especially future ones.

In order to get a Russell type deal we would need to be able to trade a semi-useful piece (Lopez) whole taking back a player who has fallen out of favor (Russell) and take back one of the worst contracts in the league.

A smallish 2 year deal for players who barely play and you pick up a 1st? I would jump at it.

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Agreed. The team would just stretch the expiring contract and keep their pick.

[King Ken]

I think it would depend on the picks that are returning. To me, Ersan and Babbitt don't carry value on their own. Unlike, Dedmon and Belinelli who do.

Like what was said, Atlanta needs the cap to be able to be a player in trades. Take on a two year deal for a first? Sure. Kinda similar to the Crawford deal this offseason.


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Different trade for multiple reasons. It was the off-season where we had established who was available for trade and who we can land. At the time, we looked at what were the best assets available. At this moment, there really isn't a good asset available from Utah. A future 1st will be protected and they would be an idiot to trade their 1st this year. This would only make sense in the off-season if they wanted to offer Burks. That way, we would already have what we need in terms of building. At that point, we would be in a better position to make this type of decision.

We have to look at the Jamal Crawford trade for what it was. It was the ability to add salary that we simply couldn't add via free agency without overpaying. We had to look at the fact that we were entry level in rebuilding. We had to improve our asset intake. Our asset intake is very good right now. 5 firsts in the next two seasons. Two, high firsts. We have signed numerous guys to sound contracts like Dedmon for example. At this point, we are going into the off-season with 24 million in cap space after signing a top 1-5 pick. This trade is something to look into in July. Taking an expiring for a 1st rounder from a team that needs cap but not right now. There is still a chance, we can get a D'Angelo Russell type of trade and that means, the 24 million we have is critical. Maybe in July, a team like LA doesn't something different to get rid of Deng which is realistically possible but as long as it's an option that we can land a high-level prospect with a bad contract. That's priority for a team in our position.

That said, Alec Burks/1st for cap-space in 2018 is an option in the off-season. Nothing is off the table depending on what's available.

Completely disagree. No team is going to give a first to dump an expiring contract, especially one that is unprotected. Teams learned their lesson in trading picks, especially future ones.

In order to get a Russell type deal we would need to be able to trade a semi-useful piece (Lopez) whole taking back a player who has fallen out of favor (Russell) and take back one of the worst contracts in the league.

A smallish 2 year deal for players who barely play and you pick up a 1st? I would jump at it.

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Not true. We have seen in previous years where teams have done this who were contenders and needed to clear cap to get out of the LT or teams near having enough money for a player but in order to get that player, they had to make a trade clear cap space like LAC did last year.

Those tend to be the teams who do these types of deals. As for anything D. Russell type of deal, it's critical that a team have cheap assets to trade. For Brooklyn, it was their late 1st and it was an expiring contract like Lopez for a terrible contract like Mozzy. I think cap space and a large consortium of draft assets should be enough to benefit from another D. Russell type of trade as we have cap space and draft assets.

[jayu70]

Different trade for multiple reasons. It was the off-season where we had established who was available for trade and who we can land. At the time, we looked at what were the best assets available. At this moment, there really isn't a good asset available from Utah. A future 1st will be protected and they would be an idiot to trade their 1st this year. This would only make sense in the off-season if they wanted to offer Burks. That way, we would already have what we need in terms of building. At that point, we would be in a better position to make this type of decision.

We have to look at the Jamal Crawford trade for what it was. It was the ability to add salary that we simply couldn't add via free agency without overpaying. We had to look at the fact that we were entry level in rebuilding. We had to improve our asset intake. Our asset intake is very good right now. 5 firsts in the next two seasons. Two, high firsts. We have signed numerous guys to sound contracts like Dedmon for example. At this point, we are going into the off-season with 24 million in cap space after signing a top 1-5 pick. This trade is something to look into in July. Taking an expiring for a 1st rounder from a team that needs cap but not right now. There is still a chance, we can get a D'Angelo Russell type of trade and that means, the 24 million we have is critical. Maybe in July, a team like LA doesn't something different to get rid of Deng which is realistically possible but as long as it's an option that we can land a high-level prospect with a bad contract. That's priority for a team in our position.

That said, Alec Burks/1st for cap-space in 2018 is an option in the off-season. Nothing is off the table depending on what's available.

Completely disagree. No team is going to give a first to dump an expiring contract, especially one that is unprotected. Teams learned their lesson in trading picks, especially future ones.

In order to get a Russell type deal we would need to be able to trade a semi-useful piece (Lopez) whole taking back a player who has fallen out of favor (Russell) and take back one of the worst contracts in the league.

A smallish 2 year deal for players who barely play and you pick up a 1st? I would jump at it.

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Not true. We have seen in previous years where teams have done this who were contenders and needed to clear cap to get out of the LT or teams near having enough money for a player but in order to get that player, they had to make a trade clear cap space like LAC did last year.

Those tend to be the teams who do these types of deals. As for anything D. Russell type of deal, it's critical that a team have cheap assets to trade. For Brooklyn, it was their late 1st and it was an expiring contract like Lopez for a terrible contract like Mozzy. I think cap space and a large consortium of draft assets should be enough to benefit from another D. Russell type of trade as we have cap space and draft assets.

You also have to take into account each teams circumstances - LAL drafted Ball who they preferred over Russell. BKN did not have their own draft picks so taking a chance on a former #2 pick made sense, chances are they didn't think they wouldnt resign Lopez so they got something for him.
Jamal wasn't an expiring contract, he had 2 years left on his deal. LAC used the HOU pick not their own. LAC signed a better player in Gallinari with the capspace.
Toronto included a 1st with DMC with 2 years left on his deal.
You have to put in context what each team needs are.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

Cap space can be extremely valuable to a team in rebuild mode, specifically for deals like he mentioned with Russell to the Nets. Especially next offseason when cap space will be hard to come by. I thought his explanation was pretty straight forward. They'd rather bide their time and see if they can score something more valuable by selling their cap space at a premium, which makes sense.

The only problem with that logic is that they're wanting to converse cap space in order to execute deals just like the one I'm proposing: one in which they're taking a player/contract and receiving draft/other assets in order to do so. So... why not make that kind of deal right now? Why be so worried about preserving cap space for the future to make a similar deal? I don't get it. Especially with Babbit and Ersan who have essentially no value other than their expiring contracts.

[MaceCase]

I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

Cap space can be extremely valuable to a team in rebuild mode, specifically for deals like he mentioned with Russell to the Nets. Especially next offseason when cap space will be hard to come by. I thought his explanation was pretty straight forward. They'd rather bide their time and see if they can score something more valuable by selling their cap space at a premium, which makes sense.

The only problem with that logic is that they're wanting to converse cap space in order to execute deals just like the one I'm proposing: one in which they're taking a player/contract and receiving draft/other assets in order to do so. So... why not make that kind of deal right now? Why be so worried about preserving cap space for the future to make a similar deal? I don't get it. Especially with Babbit and Ersan who have essentially no value other than their expiring contracts.

The logic is sound. It's the order and magnitude of the assets that the Hawks are trying to obtain. If the Jazz come out with their best offer now of say Hood/Mitchell/unprotected 1st then fine but you yourself have already demonstrated a reluctance to do so. This of course changes in 8 months where there will be high demand but limited supply of cap space thus meaning bidding by teams to utilize the Hawks capspace. Why extract minimum value now when a small amount of patience can allow for maximum value later?

[jayu70]

I don't see why y'all would be concerned with having cap space for this next offseason when you're clearly in a rebuild mode. Who are you planning on chasing in free agency? Maybe I'm misreading what the goals of the franchise are moving forward into this next offseason.

Cap space can be extremely valuable to a team in rebuild mode, specifically for deals like he mentioned with Russell to the Nets. Especially next offseason when cap space will be hard to come by. I thought his explanation was pretty straight forward. They'd rather bide their time and see if they can score something more valuable by selling their cap space at a premium, which makes sense.

The only problem with that logic is that they're wanting to converse cap space in order to execute deals just like the one I'm proposing: one in which they're taking a player/contract and receiving draft/other assets in order to do so. So... why not make that kind of deal right now? Why be so worried about preserving cap space for the future to make a similar deal? I don't get it. Especially with Babbit and Ersan who have essentially no value other than their expiring contracts.

What is the draft/other asset that is being offered to take Alec Burks?
I disagree that the value is only in the expiring contracts, they are actually useful players to a team in desperate need of 3 pt shooting from the SF/PF position. Babbit is shooting 45% from 3 in 19 mpg (prior to last game), that's ranked 11th among SF and 3rd among PFs, that has value to a team lacking 3pt shooting and trying to make the playoffs. Even if the value is only as expiring, with not many teams having cap space or needing to dump salary in offseason 2018 - there's a big value attached to it.
Here's the other thing. The Hawks still have Kent Bazemore.
That's $27.7 million and $29.5 million tied up in 2 guys for the next 2 years who are pretty much the same. Leaves the Hawks a really small unbalanced team. (yeah, yeah - we're rebuilding - it still matters to have a balanced roster)