2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc)

[LloydFree]

When in draft history has the team with the #1 pick been a championship contending team? Come on man, use your head and stop living in this fantasy land where fultz drops to 3. A championship contending team picks a player for best fit. If that player isn't also best available then you trade down and get your guy and additional compensation.

Last time something like this happened was '03, the Pistons took Darko number 2 for need instead of taking bpa. Everyone had Carmelo #2 and obviously they should have traded down. Ainge is too good a gm to make a mistake like that.

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Again, your tatally wrong. Your Bible, Draftexpress, had Darko #2 and ESPN had him #2. All the same sources you take as the gospel, with regard to Fultz being #1 had Darko over Carmelo, Bosh and Wade.

Lol I give up. Some people are just meant not too have a clue. I'm guessing you are some teenager and weren't around for that draft.

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[Unbreakable99]

When in draft history has the team with the #1 pick been a championship contending team? Come on man, use your head and stop living in this fantasy land where fultz drops to 3. A championship contending team picks a player for best fit. If that player isn't also best available then you trade down and get your guy and additional compensation.

Last time something like this happened was '03, the Pistons took Darko number 2 for need instead of taking bpa. Everyone had Carmelo #2 and obviously they should have traded down. Ainge is too good a gm to make a mistake like that.

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Again, your tatally wrong. Your Bible, Draftexpress, had Darko #2 and ESPN had him #2. All the same sources you take as the gospel, with regard to Fultz being #1 had Darko over Carmelo, Bosh and Wade.

Lol I give up. Some people are just meant not too have a clue. I'm guessing you are some teenager and weren't around for that draft.

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I remember that draft vividly. Before the season there was an article if Darko was good enough to make LeBron the second pick. Darko was a high level prospect.

[LloydFree]

Again, your tatally wrong. Your Bible, Draftexpress, had Darko #2 and ESPN had him #2. All the same sources you take as the gospel, with regard to Fultz being #1 had Darko over Carmelo, Bosh and Wade.

Lol I give up. Some people are just meant not too have a clue. I'm guessing you are some teenager and weren't around for that draft.

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I remember that draft vividly. Before the season there was an article if Darko was good enough to make LeBron the second pick. Darko was a high level prospect.

Exactly. This is why I stopped discussing draft picks on the RLGm draft board. A bunch of little kids regurgitating the last thing they read on DX and constant declarations that the most current draft is the deepest ever. No individual thought and no clue about draft history. (Not everyone, but enough to make it not worthwhile).

[Unbreakable99]

Lol I give up. Some people are just meant not too have a clue. I'm guessing you are some teenager and weren't around for that draft.

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I remember that draft vividly. Before the season there was an article if Darko was good enough to make LeBron the second pick. Darko was a high level prospect.

Exactly. This is why I stopped discussing draft picks on the RLGm draft board. A bunch of little kids regurgitating the last thing they read on DX and contestant declarations that the most current draft is the deepest ever. No individual thought and no clue about draft history. (Not everyone, but enough to make it not worthwhile).

Read some of the takes from a scout as well as Mike D’Antoni saying Darko is better than LeBron in this link.

http://thecomeback.com/freezingcoldtakes/nba/tons-of-people-wanted-the-cavs-to-draft-melo-even-darko-over-lebron-james.html

[Unbreakable99]

And here’s another link of a scout saying he would take Darko over LeBron. People don’t remember how great of a prospect Darko was. Now I saw LeBron in high school and wouldn’t even think about taking anyone over LeBron but Darko was supposed to be what Porzingis is.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1988&dat=20030625&id=LXAiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=K60FAAAAIBAJ&pg=3516,5146112&hl=en

[spikeslovechild]

When in draft history has the team with the #1 pick been a championship contending team? Come on man, use your head and stop living in this fantasy land where fultz drops to 3. A championship contending team picks a player for best fit. If that player isn't also best available then you trade down and get your guy and additional compensation.

Last time something like this happened was '03, the Pistons took Darko number 2 for need instead of taking bpa. Everyone had Carmelo #2 and obviously they should have traded down. Ainge is too good a gm to make a mistake like that.

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Again, your tatally wrong. Your Bible, Draftexpress, had Darko #2 and ESPN had him #2. All the same sources you take as the gospel, with regard to Fultz being #1 had Darko over Carmelo, Bosh and Wade.

Lol I give up. Some people are just meant not too have a clue. I'm guessing you are some teenager and weren't around for that draft.

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Actually his post is actually quite funny because he doesn't realize the irony. His boy was selected 2nd. Darko was selected 2nd. 1st overall was Fultz and 3rd overall was Tatum.

Lebron-Darko-Melo. Is history repeating itself?

[LordCovington33]

Mark my words. In June 2019 when most of us are popping the corks after beating GSW in Game 7, unbreakable and lloydfree will be on the forum still explaining why we should have not traded up and why Ball/Jackson was the right choice. Even if you are unhappy with the pick, why dwell on the past? There are draft selections I didn't like at the time, but it is over, done and dusted. Basketball is meant to be fun, not something that makes you feel compelled to repeat the same argument over and over again. Where's the fun in that?

[76ciology]

Likely 2018 LAL pick wont conveyed to Celts
2019 Kings pick? I think they'll be much better that it's likely a mid lotto.

Once Ben, Biid and Fultz are good in 2019. You wouldn't whine about that pick. That I can guarantee you.

And quite frankly, what u gonna do with that 19yo rook? Wait for another 3 years for him to develop? Dude by 2019, we need a quality vet than a rook. The only place for that rook is on garbage time.

...specially if LBJ plays for us next season which isnt a distinct possibility IMO

[Ryuzaki]

Also
Danny Ainge says the if he didn't trade down to the 3rd overall pick, he still would have drafted Tatum 1st ...
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/ainge-jayson-tatum-we-would-have-taken-him-1st-pick

I hope this ends this stupid speculation that we could have taken Tatum or Fultz 3rd. Wasn't going to happen. I've debunked this nonsense so many times but people keep posting it. If we didn't trade up both Tatum and Fultz would be gone.

So speak of that reality not some alternate one where despite all the reporting the Celtics (directly from Ainge) take Fultz and Lakers take Ball.

Don't believe that for a second. Ainge was furious when Josh Jackson declined to workout with the Celtics and even was going to go as far as fly across the country days before the draft to meet with him. He settled for Tatum.

[spikeslovechild]

Also
Danny Ainge says the if he didn't trade down to the 3rd overall pick, he still would have drafted Tatum 1st ...
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/ainge-jayson-tatum-we-would-have-taken-him-1st-pick

I hope this ends this stupid speculation that we could have taken Tatum or Fultz 3rd. Wasn't going to happen. I've debunked this nonsense so many times but people keep posting it. If we didn't trade up both Tatum and Fultz would be gone.

So speak of that reality not some alternate one where despite all the reporting the Celtics (directly from Ainge) take Fultz and Lakers take Ball.

Don't believe that for a second. Ainge was furious when Josh Jackson declined to workout with the Celtics and even was going to go as far as fly across the country days before the draft to meet with him. He settled for Tatum.

I don't get it. He passed on Jackson 3rd overall why would of taken him 1st overall?

If you don't believe what Ainge says I mean I don't blame you he lies alot to everyone but your reasoning for doing so doesn't make sense and this is one case where I tend to believe him. He knew the Lakers wanted a PG. He knew we wanted Fultz. He wasn't sold on Fultz or Ball. So he talked to BC (according to BC Ainge init talks) about trading down. BC knew Ainge wasn't high on Fultz but he also knew the Lakers wanted Fultz.

He knew this team desperately needed guards. He knew that Simmons was a capable passer and wouldn't mesh with Ball. So he traded up. Bos got Tatum. We got Fultz. Lakers got Ball. Now there is no way to know 100 percent what would happen if we didn't do the trade. Maybe the Laker trading up was all smoke created by Ainge to entice us to move up. I find it doubtful but hey who knows. However, the reality is going off reports had we not made the trade the draft probably would look something along the lines of BOS Tatum LAL Fultz PHI Jackon/Ball.

I happen to like Jackson but I was wrong on his floor. His ceiling is still high but his defense has not been as good as advertised and his 3PT has been dropping. So yeah I happen to believe we got the best end of the stick by moving up. The LAL pick is great and all but if we are drafting a bust 3rd like Ball and keeping the pick then the pick isn't worth much. Especially when we have no idea where the LAL will fall.

Right now they are projected 9th and the pick has a 3.7 percent chance of conveying to BOS. I mean ideally they would continue to lose and finish somewhere around 5th so we'd have a punchers chance at the first overall pick but we have no control over that. Sac also got young talent and will probably get another high draft pick this year. By 2019 they'll be much improved.

Honestly unless disaster strikes and they get the 2nd or 3rd pick this will have been an uneven trade for us.

[Ryuzaki]

I don't get it. He passed on Jackson 3rd overall why would of taken him 1st overall?

Jackson refused to work out with the team and told them not to draft him because he didn't feel like he'd get as much playing time there as he desired. Ainge wanted him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19713510/danny-ainge-boston-celtics-vents-josh-jackson-canceled-workout
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717489-danny-ainge-on-josh-jacksons-skipped-workout-didnt-want-to-play-for-celtics

[Jailblazers7]

Also
Danny Ainge says the if he didn't trade down to the 3rd overall pick, he still would have drafted Tatum 1st ...
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/ainge-jayson-tatum-we-would-have-taken-him-1st-pick

I hope this ends this stupid speculation that we could have taken Tatum or Fultz 3rd. Wasn't going to happen. I've debunked this nonsense so many times but people keep posting it. If we didn't trade up both Tatum and Fultz would be gone.

So speak of that reality not some alternate one where despite all the reporting the Celtics (directly from Ainge) take Fultz and Lakers take Ball.

Don't believe that for a second. Ainge was furious when Josh Jackson declined to workout with the Celtics and even was going to go as far as fly across the country days before the draft to meet with him. He settled for Tatum.

I don't get it. He passed on Jackson 3rd overall why would of taken him 1st overall?

If you don't believe what Ainge says I mean I don't blame you he lies alot to everyone but your reasoning for doing so doesn't make sense and this is one case where I tend to believe him. He knew the Lakers wanted a PG. He knew we wanted Fultz. He wasn't sold on Fultz or Ball. So he talked to BC (according to BC Ainge init talks) about trading down. BC knew Ainge wasn't high on Fultz but he also knew the Lakers wanted Fultz.

He knew this team desperately needed guards. He knew that Simmons was a capable passer and wouldn't mesh with Ball. So he traded up. Bos got Tatum. We got Fultz. Lakers got Ball. Now there is no way to know 100 percent what would happen if we didn't do the trade. Maybe the Laker trading up was all smoke created by Ainge to entice us to move up. I find it doubtful but hey who knows. However, the reality is going off reports had we not made the trade the draft probably would look something along the lines of BOS Tatum LAL Fultz PHI Jackon/Ball.

I happen to like Jackson but I was wrong on his floor. His ceiling is still high but his defense has not been as good as advertised and his 3PT has been dropping. So yeah I happen to believe we got the best end of the stick by moving up. The LAL pick is great and all but if we are drafting a bust 3rd like Ball and keeping the pick then the pick isn't worth much. Especially when we have no idea where the LAL will fall.

Right now they are projected 9th and the pick has a 3.7 percent chance of conveying to BOS. I mean ideally they would continue to lose and finish somewhere around 5th so we'd have a punchers chance at the first overall pick but we have no control over that. Sac also got young talent and will probably get another high draft pick this year. By 2019 they'll be much improved.

Honestly unless disaster strikes and they get the 2nd or 3rd pick this will have been an uneven trade for us.

Honestly, I don't think it's that complicated for Ainge. Fultz and Ball looked like great picks before the draft but they had some question marks. Ball with his shot and no reason for Fultz except for his position. When was the last PG picked in the top 3 (except for Ben who is a weird outlier) that was actually a franchise cornerstone?

Ainge was pissed about Jackson because that is a diva move to pull as an undrafted rookie. People assumed it was because Danny liked him as a pick but it was pure ego. I think Tatum eventually revealed himself as the low risk, high reward pick. I still think Fultz has a higher ceiling tho lol.

[spikeslovechild]

Don't believe that for a second. Ainge was furious when Josh Jackson declined to workout with the Celtics and even was going to go as far as fly across the country days before the draft to meet with him. He settled for Tatum.

I don't get it. He passed on Jackson 3rd overall why would of taken him 1st overall?

If you don't believe what Ainge says I mean I don't blame you he lies alot to everyone but your reasoning for doing so doesn't make sense and this is one case where I tend to believe him. He knew the Lakers wanted a PG. He knew we wanted Fultz. He wasn't sold on Fultz or Ball. So he talked to BC (according to BC Ainge init talks) about trading down. BC knew Ainge wasn't high on Fultz but he also knew the Lakers wanted Fultz.

He knew this team desperately needed guards. He knew that Simmons was a capable passer and wouldn't mesh with Ball. So he traded up. Bos got Tatum. We got Fultz. Lakers got Ball. Now there is no way to know 100 percent what would happen if we didn't do the trade. Maybe the Laker trading up was all smoke created by Ainge to entice us to move up. I find it doubtful but hey who knows. However, the reality is going off reports had we not made the trade the draft probably would look something along the lines of BOS Tatum LAL Fultz PHI Jackon/Ball.

I happen to like Jackson but I was wrong on his floor. His ceiling is still high but his defense has not been as good as advertised and his 3PT has been dropping. So yeah I happen to believe we got the best end of the stick by moving up. The LAL pick is great and all but if we are drafting a bust 3rd like Ball and keeping the pick then the pick isn't worth much. Especially when we have no idea where the LAL will fall.

Right now they are projected 9th and the pick has a 3.7 percent chance of conveying to BOS. I mean ideally they would continue to lose and finish somewhere around 5th so we'd have a punchers chance at the first overall pick but we have no control over that. Sac also got young talent and will probably get another high draft pick this year. By 2019 they'll be much improved.

Honestly unless disaster strikes and they get the 2nd or 3rd pick this will have been an uneven trade for us.

Honestly, I don't think it's that complicated for Ainge. Fultz and Ball looked like great picks before the draft but they had some question marks. Ball with his shot and no reason for Fultz except for his position. When was the last PG picked in the top 3 (except for Ben who is a weird outlier) that was actually a franchise cornerstone?

Ainge was pissed about Jackson because that is a diva move to pull as an undrafted rookie. People assumed it was because Danny liked him as a pick but it was pure ego. I think Tatum eventually revealed himself as the low risk, high reward pick. I still think Fultz has a higher ceiling tho lol.

Actually it is. I don't think for a moment Ainge would have traded down for as little as he did if he thought he was going to be stuck with ball and lets be clear historically teams pay a ransom for the 1st pick.

Except apparently the Sixers. Finally glad we got to repay someone in kind for the Roy Hinson fiasco.

[Kobblehead]

Tatum, Fox and Ball had the best head on their shoulders of all the early talent guys.

Ball took himself out of the equation and Fox's jumper would take a lot of time and work.

I don't find it hard to believe that Tatum was Ainge's preference at #1.

[LloydFree]

Mark my words. In June 2019 when most of us are popping the corks after beating GSW in Game 7, unbreakable and lloydfree will be on the forum still explaining why we should have not traded up and why Ball/Jackson was the right choice. Even if you are unhappy with the pick, why dwell on the past? There are draft selections I didn't like at the time, but it is over, done and dusted. Basketball is meant to be fun, not something that makes you feel compelled to repeat the same argument over and over again. Where's the fun in that?

Naaaa, you are incorrect. That's not how these things work. We're still talking about the Paul Pierce draft on this very board, 19 years after that draft. The 76ers were a successful team immediately after that decision, but here we are a generation later, still complaining about that pick. Personally, that pick never bothered me but there are a number of commenters here who still bring it up, because it was a wasted opportunity.

That's how I look at this deal. These chances to become a dynasty don't come around often. I know, because I've been a fan for 40 years. I don't look at this as an opportunity to "brag" that I was right or as an excuse to bellyache about a pick. I look at it as a move that could be a catastrophic setback to what was set up.

You look at it as I'm hoping he fails. That's not true. I look at it as I don't think the player is that good, and we wasted huge assets on something that isn't that good. And worse: It makes me nervous that the GM will make more mistakes, with what's left, to finish building this team.

[Winejk]

Sorry for the distraction, but what's the situation with our picks in the 2018 draft?

Best case scenario? Worst case? Which team should I root for to win/lose during this season?

Thanks.

If you have ESPN Insider, here's a great link: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/20417753/nba-draft-assets-traded-picks-all-30-teams

Basically Philly has the following in the 2018 draft:

1) Its own 1rst round pick
2) Lakers 1rst round pick if it is #1 or #6-30. Otherwise it goes to Boston.
3) Its own 2nd round pick
4) Houston 2nd round pick
5) More favorable CLE or BKN 2nd round pick
6) More favorable LAC or NYK 2nd round pick

[Sixerscan]

Mark my words. In June 2019 when most of us are popping the corks after beating GSW in Game 7, unbreakable and lloydfree will be on the forum still explaining why we should have not traded up and why Ball/Jackson was the right choice. Even if you are unhappy with the pick, why dwell on the past? There are draft selections I didn't like at the time, but it is over, done and dusted. Basketball is meant to be fun, not something that makes you feel compelled to repeat the same argument over and over again. Where's the fun in that?

Naaaa, you are incorrect. That's not how these things work. We're still talking about the Paul Pierce draft on this very board, 19 years after that draft. The 76ers were a successful team immediately after that decision, but here we are a generation later, still complaining about that pick. Personally, that pick never bothered me but there are a number of commenters here who still bring it up, because it was a wasted opportunity.

That's how I look at this deal. These chances to become a dynasty don't come around often. I know, because I've been a fan for 40 years. I don't look at this as an opportunity to "brag" that I was right or as an excuse to bellyache about a pick. I look at it as a move that could be a catastrophic setback to what was set up.

You look at it as I'm hoping he fails. That's not true. I look at it as I don't think the player is that good, and we wasted huge assets on something that isn't that good. And worse: It makes me nervous that the GM will make more mistakes, with what's left, to finish building this team.

Surely you understand the difference between someone bringing up the Paul pierce draft once every 3 months and you complaining 5 times a day every day.

In fact I'm guessing that over 50% of instances of people bringing up the pierce draft over the last 6 months is you bringing up the pierce draft in situations like this.

[LloydFree]

Mark my words. In June 2019 when most of us are popping the corks after beating GSW in Game 7, unbreakable and lloydfree will be on the forum still explaining why we should have not traded up and why Ball/Jackson was the right choice. Even if you are unhappy with the pick, why dwell on the past? There are draft selections I didn't like at the time, but it is over, done and dusted. Basketball is meant to be fun, not something that makes you feel compelled to repeat the same argument over and over again. Where's the fun in that?

Naaaa, you are incorrect. That's not how these things work. We're still talking about the Paul Pierce draft on this very board, 19 years after that draft. The 76ers were a successful team immediately after that decision, but here we are a generation later, still complaining about that pick. Personally, that pick never bothered me but there are a number of commenters here who still bring it up, because it was a wasted opportunity.

That's how I look at this deal. These chances to become a dynasty don't come around often. I know, because I've been a fan for 40 years. I don't look at this as an opportunity to "brag" that I was right or as an excuse to bellyache about a pick. I look at it as a move that could be a catastrophic setback to what was set up.

You look at it as I'm hoping he fails. That's not true. I look at it as I don't think the player is that good, and we wasted huge assets on something that isn't that good. And worse: It makes me nervous that the GM will make more mistakes, with what's left, to finish building this team.

Surely you understand the difference between someone bringing up the Paul pierce draft once every 3 months and you complaining 5 times a day every day.

In fact I'm guessing that over 50% of instances of people bringing up the pierce draft over the last 6 months is you bringing up the pierce draft in situations like this.

... And since the draft, at least 50% of the times I post anything about this ridiculous trade or pick, some other poster mentioned me by name in their post in order to take an unprovoked, personal shot, for not being a fan of the transaction. You choose to ignore it, so it keeps happening, and the topic keeps going.

[Sixerscan]

Naaaa, you are incorrect. That's not how these things work. We're still talking about the Paul Pierce draft on this very board, 19 years after that draft. The 76ers were a successful team immediately after that decision, but here we are a generation later, still complaining about that pick. Personally, that pick never bothered me but there are a number of commenters here who still bring it up, because it was a wasted opportunity.

That's how I look at this deal. These chances to become a dynasty don't come around often. I know, because I've been a fan for 40 years. I don't look at this as an opportunity to "brag" that I was right or as an excuse to bellyache about a pick. I look at it as a move that could be a catastrophic setback to what was set up.

You look at it as I'm hoping he fails. That's not true. I look at it as I don't think the player is that good, and we wasted huge assets on something that isn't that good. And worse: It makes me nervous that the GM will make more mistakes, with what's left, to finish building this team.

Surely you understand the difference between someone bringing up the Paul pierce draft once every 3 months and you complaining 5 times a day every day.

In fact I'm guessing that over 50% of instances of people bringing up the pierce draft over the last 6 months is you bringing up the pierce draft in situations like this.

... And since the draft, at least 50% of the times I post anything about this ridiculous trade or pick, some other poster mentioned me by name in their post in order to take an unprovoked, personal shot, for not being a fan of the transaction. You choose to ignore it, so it keeps happening, and the topic keeps going.

How many of those "unprovoked personal shots" come after a day of you repeating yourself 20 times about the trade or making some super obnoxious statement about how you are a draft expert and anyone that disagrees with you is a child or a hack?

This trade just isn't that important. I don't care if you've become obsesssed about it to the point that you can't think about anything else and put something about it in your signature. It's one trade. You came up with some BS analogy with the pierce trade which you aren't even trying to defend now because you know it is ridiculous.

We've warned people where appropriate (I've also let more than a few insults by you slide, maybe I should tighten up on that?), maybe you can realize that there is something you can do on your end to allievate the issue.

[marcush]

Its a significant deal with potentially long lasting ramifications for the Franchise....hopefully positive. A Sixers message board named RealGM seems an appropriate place to discuss I would have thought.