Is Thon Maker Going to Be Good, Bad or Ugly? (POLL)

skones · Post #1021 » by **skones** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 8:28 pm

yannisk wrote:
skones wrote:For example, would you consider Georgios Papagiannis an "asset" or would you consider him a "throw in?"

throw away probably

Precisely. That's the camp Thon is in.

bigkurty · Post #1022 » by **bigkurty** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 8:38 pm

We need to convince everyone he is 20 and trade him asap IMO. 7 footers who can shoot and go step for step with Lowry are pretty rare. Surely some team will be able to sell themselves on that value so early in his career. In the end though, I think he will end up like the Anthony Bennett's, Kwame Brown's, and Thabeet's of the world.

AussieBuck · Post #1023 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 8:49 pm

Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.

yannisk · Post #1024 » by **yannisk** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 8:54 pm

Maker’s not afraid to toot his own horn. “I’m going to be an All-Star,” Maker told BR. “I’m going to be a champion. Not just one, multiple times. I’m going to be an MVP. I’m going to be Defensive Player of the Year. Not just once, multiple times. And the rings part is the biggest one for me. And the Hall of Fame part.”

damn, didn't know he said these things

bigkurty · Post #1025 » by **bigkurty** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:01 pm

Some fun Thon stats for reference:
Thon has scored in double figures 5 times in 86 career games (including playoffs)
Thon has had 7 or more rebounds 3 times in his career and his career high is 8
Thon has had 3 or more assists twice in 86 games
Thon has had 2 or more steals 4 times
Thon has had 2 or more blocks 6 times
Thon was a -30 for his entire rookie year (-2.56 Net rating)
Thon is currently a -95 during his sophomore campaign (-10.6 Net Rating)

drew881 · Post #1026 » by **drew881** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:11 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.

Maybe Kidd is behind this not allowed to jump thing.

PANDEMONEUM · Post #1027 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:14 pm

this poll was created Sep 17, 2017.
how many people are ready to DOWNgrade their vote?

i see, 10 superstar, 28 allstar, 99 above average starter votes

i never wanted Thon, and never thought hed be any better than Ersan.
would have went Sabonis at #10.
then Prince.
after them, it would have been a difficult decision, LeVert, Luwawu, Skal, Dejounte, Deyonta.
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2016 Draft
some stats of guys that have improved in their 2nd year.
if nothing is posted, theyr not getting any time to compare
Baldwin was cut, and signed a 2way with a different team
Zubac has been bumped and lost lots of minutes

10 MKE Thon Maker 4/2 10mins 57games to 4/3 18mins 23games
11 ORL Domantas Sabonis 6p/4r 20mins to 12/8 25mins
12 UTA Taurean Prince 6/5 16mins to 12/5 30mins
13 PHO Georgios Papagiannis

15 DEN Juan Hernangomez

17 MEM Wade Baldwin
October 16, 2017: Waived by the Memphis Grizzlies. October 20, 2017: Signed a two-way contract with the Portland Trail Blazers

19 DEN Malik Beasley
20 IND Caris LeVert 8/3/2 22mins to 11/4/3 26mins
21 ATL DeAndre Bembry
22 CHO Malachi Richardson
23 BOS Ante Zizic
24 PHI Timothe Luwawu 7/2/1 16mins

28 PHO Skal Labissiere 8/4 17mins
29 SAS Dejounte Murray 3/1/1 8mins to 7/4/2 19mins

Round 2
31 BOS Deyonta Davis
32 LAL Ivica Zubac - 38games at 16mins, 7/4....6games 2mins, has lost major time

M-C-G · Post #1028 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:18 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.

Yeah, I mean is it possible this 7000 calorie diet and lifting regiment are part of the problem? He definitely appears to have regressed as an athlete this year. Injury and finding out after the season that he was hurt all year wouldn't surprise me either though.

PANDEMONEUM · Post #1029 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:43 pm

if wer going to stick with Thon, and hope he develops into something,
then i want to see him be involved in plays, NOT from the C position.
give him some time next to Henson/Belomboy.
or maybe try a few Henson/Thon/Giannis mins.
that way he can get more offensive opportunities to drive and create,
instead of having to defend and check centers all game.
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i HATE that when he defends on the perimeter,
that he is super close to his man.
whoever it is, sides steps and just takes 2 dribbles and has burned Thon.
he (and the coaches) need to make an adjustment to his perimeter defense.
dont allow the drive,
and make the player shoot over him and his 7ft+long arms.
this would be way better than over challenging on the 3pt shot and getting burned by

Wonka · Post #1030 » by **Wonka** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:46 pm

Why does Kidd even play him when he takes away his biggest asset on the offensive end? His 3 point shooting. I'll never understand his ideals with the 3 point line, both on offense and defense.

Obviously we all see the struggles, but the regression from rookie to sophomore is almost unbelievable. I always had my questions about his offense, but defensively he is turning into a real problem, and not in a good way.

Thon needs to play less than 10 minutes a game, maybe even just benched or G-League'd.

AussieBuck · Post #1031 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 9:54 pm

M-C-G wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.

Yeah, I mean is it possible this 7000 calorie diet and lifting regiment are part of the problem? He definitely appears to have regressed as an athlete this year. Injury and finding out after the season that he was hurt all year wouldn't surprise me either though.

He did say before the season that they they would use the extra days between games for heavy lifting, especially while at home. Would have to be staggering out the squat rack before every game though. I'm guessing he's carrying some kind of injury.

Siefer · Post #1032 » by **Siefer** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 10:02 pm

He's terrible right now, and he's bad enough in his minutes to sink whatever unit he's playing with.

ReginaldDwight · Post #1033 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 10:13 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Thon with no leap or jumper just shouldn't be on any basketball court. If he's carrying an injury it's something that he doesn't have the margin in his game to carry and he's got to be pulling the trigger from the corner to be at all playable. Watching him jump 8 inches attempting shot blocks is crazy after seeing him intimidate Lowry/DD in the playoffs.

Too be fair I think the playoffs in general intimidate those two guys....

I still think the ideal thing is to shut him down the problem is we have no other bigs to even run out there you cant go into games with Henson and Giannis at your only bigs.

Pachinko_ · Post #1034 » by **Pachinko_** » Thu Dec 7, 2017 11:44 pm

Very disappointing... all I wanted was small improvements from last year, instead he has fallen off a cliff.
Doesn't shoot, can't jump, when he does jump his timing is totally off.

RogerMurdock · Post #1035 » by **RogerMurdock** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 2:09 am

Look, some regression is to be expected when a player hits their 30's.

I'll show myself out.

Beorn · Post #1036 » by **Beorn** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 2:13 am

He's so terrible out there I barely have the heart to make age-jokes on him

Mags FTW · Post #1037 » by **Mags FTW** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 2:39 am

If we were able to get Diamond Stone, could he be any worse? Definitely has more upside considering he’s actually 20.

steger_3434 · Post #1038 » by **steger_3434** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 2:42 am

After 20 games I said Vaughn was a terrible player. Thon is infinitely worse. If teams believe he’s 20 years old he’ll last a bit longer. If they don’t he’s back to high school after his rookie contract

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MiltownHawkeye · Post #1039 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 3:29 am

steger_3434 wrote:After 20 games I said Vaughn was a terrible player. Thon is infinitely worse. If teams believe he’s 20 years old he’ll last a bit longer. If they don’t he’s back to high school after his rookie contract

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Even Vaughn has shown more to make me think he'll be a competent rotation player than Maker which is pretty depressing.

HKPackFan · Post #1040 » by **HKPackFan** » Fri Dec 8, 2017 8:22 am

sophmore slump? :dontknow:

switching sports, davante adams was absolutely pathetic his 2nd season. unplayable and many thought he should be cut. he's arguably the best wr on the packers this year.

not comparables, but just saying a nagging injury riddled adams made him the worst looking wr in the nfl his sophmore year and now he is looking like a stud. maybe there is still hope.

I think thon is somewhat broken, either mentally or physically or both, or his body transition he is unable to adapt to at the moment.

Send him to the G league and let him get fixed, no need for him to continue to embarrass himself in front of his peers.

How Good of an NBA career will Thon Maker have?