KOTB: Celtics - Hornets - Grizzlies - Kings

[NYG]

If you believe all teams would accept this trade, vote yes. If you believe otherwise, vote no. Please explain your vote.

Note: Technically this is two separate trades with the first one being Vince Carter to the Celtics for a Top 55 Protected Second Round Draft Pick using their DPE.

Boston Celtics get:
JaMychal Green

Gives: 2018 Boston Celtics Top 20 Protected First Round Draft Pick, 2019 Los Angeles Clippers Conditional First Round Draft Pick and 2020 Boston Celtics Second Round Draft Pick

Why: Celtics get a great fit on a reasonable contract without giving up any of their players/depth or any of their most valuable assets.


Charlotte Hornets get:
Brandan Wright
Vince Carter
2020 Boston Celtics Second Round Draft Pick (Protected From 56-60th Overall; if pick falls in the 56th-60th Overall range then pick would be conveyed to the Kings instead)

Gives: Marvin Williams

Why: Hornets downgrade from Williams to Wright to get some cap relief moving forward via expiring contracts and possibly adds a second round draft pick.

Memphis Grizzlies get:
Marvin Williams
2018 Boston Celtics Top 20 Protected First Round Draft Pick
2019 Los Angeles Clippers Conditional First Round Draft Pick

Gives: JaMychal Green and Brandan Wright

Why: The Grizzlies help with their rebuild by adding draft picks without throwing away contending this season by adding a solid fit in their line-up.

Sacramento Kings get:
2020 Boston Celtics Top 55 Protected Second Round Draft Pick

Gives: Vince Carter

Why: The Kings get out of paying Vince Carter's 2017-18 salary in a season where it doesn't seem to matter if they have him or not.

[codydaze]

KOTB no. I just don't see Boston giving up two 1st, however low they may be, for Jamychal Green.

[becorz]

I'm dumb. ignore this

Spoiler:

This trade couldn't happen until Feb 15 at the earlier. Just throwing it out there.

Vince Carter signed in the offseason, so you can't trade him until Dec 15. If you use the DPE in a trade, you cannot trade the player you acquired with anyone else for two months. So, the Celtics would have to trade for Carter now and then wait for two months.

Because I don't think BOS would trade for Carter (because they can't know they will trade him again if they trade for him now).

KOTB: No

[NYG]

This trade couldn't happen until Feb 15 at the earlier. Just throwing it out there.

Vince Carter signed in the offseason, so you can't trade him until Dec 15. If you use the DPE in a trade, you cannot trade the player you acquired with anyone else for two months. So, the Celtics would have to trade for Carter now and then wait for two months.

Because I don't think BOS would trade for Carter (because they can't know they will trade him again if they trade for him now).

KOTB: No

I didn’t realize that rule applied to draft picks too.

[becorz]

I'm dumb. Ignore me

Spoiler:

This trade couldn't happen until Feb 15 at the earlier. Just throwing it out there.

Vince Carter signed in the offseason, so you can't trade him until Dec 15. If you use the DPE in a trade, you cannot trade the player you acquired with anyone else for two months. So, the Celtics would have to trade for Carter now and then wait for two months.

Because I don't think BOS would trade for Carter (because they can't know they will trade him again if they trade for him now).

KOTB: No

I didn’t realize that rule applied to draft picks too.

It doesn't. But you are aggregating Carter with Brandon Wright. You cannot do that.

[NYG]

This trade couldn't happen until Feb 15 at the earlier. Just throwing it out there.

Vince Carter signed in the offseason, so you can't trade him until Dec 15. If you use the DPE in a trade, you cannot trade the player you acquired with anyone else for two months. So, the Celtics would have to trade for Carter now and then wait for two months.

Because I don't think BOS would trade for Carter (because they can't know they will trade him again if they trade for him now).

KOTB: No

I didn’t realize that rule applied to draft picks too.

It doesn't. But you are aggregating Carter with Brandon Wright. You cannot do that.

I don’t get it, the Grizzlies can’t trade Wright and Green in the same deal?

[NYG]

KOTB no. I just don't see Boston giving up two 1st, however low they may be, for Jamychal Green.

Most Celtics fans seemed okay with it as long as the Grizzlies or Lakers/Kings picks weren’t involved. The Clippers pick is 50/50 it’ll ever be a first rounder.

[becorz]

I didn’t realize that rule applied to draft picks too.

It doesn't. But you are aggregating Carter with Brandon Wright. You cannot do that.

I don’t get it, the Grizzlies can’t trade Wright and Green in the same deal?

I'm wrong, you're right. I have edited accordingly. Sorry about that!

[NYG]

KOTB no. I just don't see Boston giving up two 1st, however low they may be, for Jamychal Green.

It's just one opinion, but..

Green has similar value to Favors IMO. Bos 18 and Clipper pick. memphis pick is too much.

Both the 18 Celtics and 19 Clippers you mean as long as no other picks are included?

yes I'd shell out both for Favors or Green.

[Resistance]

Show the DPE transaction by itself and then the second part by itself.

[NYG]

Show the DPE transaction by itself and then the second part by itself.

“Note: Technically this is two separate trades with the first one being Vince Carter to the Celtics for a Top 55 Protected Second Round Draft Pick using their DPE.”

See OP.

[NYG]

JaMychal Green is a young, reasonably priced, solid fit in the Celtics front court that doesn’t put them into the luxury tax, they lose a late first and a second first that may never convey as more than a second rounder in addition to a distant second round pick of their own. Am I wrong in thinking it’s nitpicky to shoot this down?

The Grizzlies only trade him because Williams fits just as nicely and they add picks without their luxury tax being a resulting issue.

[codydaze]

KOTB no. I just don't see Boston giving up two 1st, however low they may be, for Jamychal Green.

It's just one opinion, but..

Both the 18 Celtics and 19 Clippers you mean as long as no other picks are included?

yes I'd shell out both for Favors or Green.

That's fair enough but it just isn't in Ainge's style to make a move like that. He's held back on trades for superstars so I don't see him giving up that asset flexibility for Green.

[Resistance]

Trade #1 when Sacramento can trade Vince next week and Boston can acquire via DPE

Boston
In: Vince Carter
Out: Top 55 Protected Second Round Draft Pick

Sacramento
In: Top 55 Protected Second Round Draft Pick
Out: Vince Cater

*********************

The rest of the transactions:

Boston
In: JaMychal Green
Out: Vince Carter

In: Brandan Wright, Vince Carter, 2020 Boston Celtics Second Round Draft Pick (Protected From 56-60th Overall; if pick falls in the 56th-60th Overall range then pick would be conveyed to the Kings instead)
Out: Marvin Williams

Memphis
In: Marvin Williams, 2018 Boston Celtics Top 20 Protected First Round Draft Pick,2019 Los Angeles Clippers Conditional First Round Draft Pick
Out: JaMychal Green and Brandan Wright

[pacers33granger]

That's fair enough but it just isn't in Ainge's style to make a move like that. He's held back on trades for superstars so I don't see him giving up that asset flexibility for Green.

In this case I'd say that having an approximately $8 mil expiring contract attached to a good player next year would be much more helpful for flexibility than two late picks. They're short on contracts to match and flush with picks so I think they'd do this swap without hesitation.

[NYG]

0 yes - 1 no

[codydaze]

That's fair enough but it just isn't in Ainge's style to make a move like that. He's held back on trades for superstars so I don't see him giving up that asset flexibility for Green.

In this case I'd say that having an approximately $8 mil expiring contract attached to a good player next year would be much more helpful for flexibility than two late picks. They're short on contracts to match and flush with picks so I think they'd do this swap without hesitation.

That's a good point, but in this case they'd need to be looking to flip Green again before the deadline. OP stated fit as the reason for the trade so my vote is still under the assumption the trade is for Green to play out the rest of the year in Boston. They'd still have his RFA rights to do a sign and trade in the offseason but I would imagine a S&T would be far less appealing for any than trading for the expiring.

[NYG]

That's fair enough but it just isn't in Ainge's style to make a move like that. He's held back on trades for superstars so I don't see him giving up that asset flexibility for Green.

In this case I'd say that having an approximately $8 mil expiring contract attached to a good player next year would be much more helpful for flexibility than two late picks. They're short on contracts to match and flush with picks so I think they'd do this swap without hesitation.

That's a good point, but in this case they'd need to be looking to flip Green again before the deadline. OP stated fit as the reason for the trade so my vote is still under the assumption the trade is for Green to play out the rest of the year in Boston. They'd still have his RFA rights to do a sign and trade in the offseason but I would imagine a S&T would be far less appealing for any than trading for the expiring.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/memphis-grizzlies/jamychal-green-11666/

He meant expiring contract after 2018-19 I believe giving them trade flexibility next season. They would have a great fit now in the meantime if they decided to explore a deal based around Green before the 2019 trade deadline.

[patman52]

I think the clippers pick will convey as I don't see them in the lottery for the next three drafts. The celts already have horford and Morris locked up for next year at the 4.

[NYG]

I think the clippers pick will convey as I don't see them in the lottery for the next three drafts. The celts already have horford and Morris locked up for next year at the 4.

KOTB no?