All Things Luka Doncic

[Bob8]

Please. Btw. Rudy is doubtful too.

Are you saying Taylor is better than Rudy? I can't believe anyone would think that.

Taylor is defense specialist and Rudy has chronic back problems. Tilie was brought as backup for Printezis. Good player, but not essential like Randolph.

[XTraderXL]

Mirotic is absolutely correct. Heck, even Doncic starts many games on the bench and he is by far their best player...

[Bob8]

Mirotic is absolutely correct. Heck, even Doncic starts many games on the bench and he is by far their best player...

I use word starters as the best players, because it's easier and everybody understand, but apparently not. or maybe you don't agree that Llull, Ayon, Randolph are more important as Tilie, Agravanis and Papapetrou? Read again what I want to say and if you still think I did a mistake, I will apologise. And by the way Llull, Ayon and Randolph are starters and Tilie, Agravanis and Papapetrou aren't. Yes some best players weren't starters in the past. Like Teodosic and Rodriguez. But in Euroleague the best players are mostly starters, not always like in Nba, but in very high %. Regarding Doncic, Laso left him in bench, only twice, because, a.) he doesn't match the best with Campazzo, b.)because he doesn't want to be totally independent on him and c.) Doncic is playing to much or all 3 reasons together.

[XTraderXL]

I know exactly what you were trying to say but the fact is that starters in EL are not always teams best or most valuable players. For that reason you cant call the best players starters, its not factually true. At least not in EL. That was the main point.

[Bob8]

I know exactly what you were trying to say but the fact is that starters in EL are not always teams best or most valuable players. For that reason you cant call the best players starters, its not factually true. At least not in EL. That was the main point.

I apologize that I used term starter for Llull, Ayon and Randolph. And non-starter for Tilie, Agravanis and Papapetrou.

[XTraderXL]

You dont have to be sarcastic. And clearly you dont get the point I was making which has nothing to do with the mentioned players. This is what you always do, you are missing the point or if your arguments are not strong, you start changing the premise of the debate. Thats why nobody really wants to debate you, its impossible. Cheers mate

[Bob8]

You dont have to be sarcastic. And clearly you dont get the point I was making which has nothing to do with the mentioned players. This is what you always do, you are missing the point or if your arguments are not strong, you start changing the premise of the debate. Thats why nobody really wants to debate you, its impossible. Cheers mate

I said Real missed starters and Oly bench players. Totally true. And then Mirotic came with a lecture how in Euroleague are no starters. First this is not totally true, because coaches mostly used they best players as starters. If Doncic started 17 out of 20 games, he’s a starter for me. Llull, Shved, Calathes and Spanoulis, if he is in normal shape are always starters. There are exceptions of course, Itoudis is a coach who is not always using the best players as starters. Laso sometimes changes staring 5. Secondly and more important, that lecture had nothing with situation in Real and Oly regarding injuries. And then you popped in, how Mirotic is totally right. Right in what? This was typical straw man by Mirotic, noone has debated about starters and non-starters, debate was that Real has their best men(starters) injured and Oly not. Premise of the debate changed Mirotic and after him you. The debate was who is injured not who are in theory starters in Euroleague.

And maybe the only important thing in this conversation, Laso said Randolph won’t return before January.

[burek3]

In any case, this will be a game of the century, Doncic vs. Spanoulis. The universe will implode.

[XTraderXL]

It will be interesting to see the refs criteria. I think they could decide the game tonight. Oly will definitely play aggressive on Luka from the start, there will be small and dirty fouls and if the refs dont call this from the start, Real has no chance and it will be an ugly game. I think everyone wants to see good games and without Doncic in top form, Real is not able to give a good performance with the current roster.

The only way Real can win this game is with Luka playing great and that cant happen if Oly plays like Zvezda did last week where every dribble of Doncic was a foul or close to it but not really called. If they play like this and he doesnt get the calls, he needs to get rid of the ball and his teammates are not capable of winning EL games without him being dominant. So of course, this is the easiest gameplan for Oly and I fully expect they will come out with it. We will be able to tell in the first 5 min if Real has any chance of winning this game...

[FlorentinoPerez]

Please. Btw. Rudy is doubtful too.

Are you saying Taylor is better than Rudy? I can't believe anyone would think that.

Lol yeah I say so

And I watched every single game of Real Madrid, half of them in the Palacio (Wizinq Center)...

Rudy was a former player last year... ok this year is taken some tough shots and trying to penetrate but stilll...
And in the other hand side you have taylor whos playing his best basketball with us until he got injured, he was scoring open threes and been a key defensive player for laso...

[Bob8]

The problem for Real is, that even if Doncic somehow has great game, I agree with XTraderXL that will be very difficult, Real will have to stop Pick&roll game from Spanoulis and Printezis. Spanoulis is for sure not in top form, but he’s angry of games. And what can Real do with Printezis? He’s probably the best Pf in Euroleague. If there was Randolph..., but Thompkins is really bad defender and Maciulis former player and plays Pf mainly because there’s nobody else there. Real will have to play special game, especially in D. to win today. But in sports anything is possible.

Taylor and Rudy are questionable, but I expect both will play.

[pacersGM]

Mirotic is absolutely correct. Heck, even Doncic starts many games on the bench and he is by far their best player...

mirotic was correct to some degree only. the starter / bench roles are more defined in the nba thats true, but thats only slightly different in europe, as those roles are also set (starters / best players = bench / their reserves), but lets say they are 15% less strict then in in the nba, because at the end every team tries to start / finish their games with the best lineups available. that doesnt change in europe.

and second, bob8 was making the point that a missing tilie and other reserves (by far not the best players on olympiacos) are not a equal setback to the BEST PLAYERS = STARTERS real is missing. but you and mirotic tried to steer away from that debate by those starter / bench thesis / mistake, not bob8.

xtraderxl you also can be very annoying by making such claims and trying to get other posters in line, even if you think you are factualy more correct then the others. but i must dissapoint you, you are not most of the time.

[XTraderXL]

Mirotic is absolutely correct. Heck, even Doncic starts many games on the bench and he is by far their best player...

mirotic was correct to some degree only. the starter / bench roles are more defined in the nba thats true, but thats only slightly different in europe, as those roles are also set (starters / best players = bench / their reserves), but lets say they are 15% less strict then in in the nba, because at the end every team tries to start / finish their games with the best lineups available. that doesnt change in europe.

and second, bob8 was making the point that a missing tilie and other reserves (by far not the best players on olympiacos) are not a equal setback to the BEST PLAYERS = STARTERS real is missing. but you and mirotic tried to steer away from that debate by those starter / bench thesis / mistake, not bob8.

xtraderxl you also can be very annoying by making such claims and trying to get other posters in line, even if you think you are factualy more correct then the others. but i must dissapoint you, you are not most of the time.

I will take your word for it.

[Bob8]

Mirotic is absolutely correct. Heck, even Doncic starts many games on the bench and he is by far their best player...

mirotic was correct to some degree only. the starter / bench roles are more defined in the nba thats true, but thats only slightly different in europe, as those roles are also set (starters / best players = bench / their reserves), but lets say they are 15% less strict then in in the nba, because at the end every team tries to start / finish their games with the best lineups available. that doesnt change in europe.

and second, bob8 was making the point that a missing tilie and other reserves (by far not the best players on olympiacos) are not a equal setback to the BEST PLAYERS = STARTERS real is missing. but you and mirotic tried to steer away from that debate by those starter / bench thesis / mistake, not bob8.

xtraderxl you also can be very annoying by making such claims and trying to get other posters in line, even if you think you are factualy more correct then the others. but i must dissapoint you, you are not most of the time.

I will take your word for it.

You was clearly wrong in that post and what’s more sad, you accused me of doing things I didn’t do. But I understand, the most difficult thing is to admit your mistakes. No problem, I’m big boy, I will survive somehow.

Thank you pacersGM for standing by me in difficult times.

[UcanUwill]

Real looks like trash

[FlorentinoPerez]

Doncic keepin Madrid in the game.
In Luka we trust

[FlorentinoPerez]

Luka is not a teenager anymore, today hes becoming a MAN.
His best game in his career

[UcanUwill]

Remember when people questioned his scoring ability and mentality? Good times.

[HeadtopChunes]

What position would Luka play in the NBA?

[UcanUwill]

What position would Luka play in the NBA?

Hopefully PG, or pseudo PG ala Harden/Devin Booker.