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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#303 » by dakomish23 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:46 pm

Greenie wrote:Frank looked good, huh?

Yassssssssssss


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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#305 » by knuckles862 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:48 pm

Missed the game someone give me a quick run down please
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#307 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:52 pm

Might be Frank’s best all-around game. Loved the aggression and shooting. Especially loved the passing and decision making. 5 assist, 1 turnovers…mixed in some more difficult passes thru narrow windows with some simple quick crisp passes that kept things flowing…recogonized the mismatches and open man.

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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#308 » by GONYK » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:52 pm

knuckles862 wrote:Missed the game someone give me a quick run down please


Knicks outplayed the Lakers
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#309 » by ellobo » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:54 pm

I liked Hornacek’s lineup decisions. I was waiting for him to go back to Frank to finish games.

Got to give Beasley credit for this game, but I’m just not a believer overall. His strengths are too inconsistent and his weaknesses are too consistent. I feel like when he’s making a positive contribution it’s like living on borrowed time; you’ve got to know when to cash in and quit while you’re ahead, and not start to think you can rely on him. Jeff decided to let it ride with him down the stretch and luckily it worked out this time.

Kanter had his moments, but it seemed like any time the Lakers put him in a pnr and got him to switch on a guard, it was a bucket, so I thought it was a good decision not to go with him down the stretch.

Baker played stellar defense in the minutes he got. Made life difficult for KCP, Clarkson, or whoever he was matched with.

The more aggressive Frank is, the better he is. I hate to see him pick up his dribble early or get a switch against a big and just pound the ball passively on the perimeter looking for someone to pass to. He also tends to be much more aggressive when he uses a ball screen than when he’s isolated, and I don’t think the Knicks put him in pnrs as much as they should, but he also needs to more aggressively threaten the defense when he doesn’t get a screen.

When the Knicks inbounded to Frank with 4.5 seconds left in the game, I would like to have seen him put up the shot. Obviously he’s looking for KP in that situation (as he should), but with so little time and KP coming away from the basket, I felt like he should have just kept it and taken the shot himself.

KP played great, but the obvious next dimension to add to his game is dealing with double teams. He gets blindsided way too often and rarely punishes opponents for doubling him. If he doesn’t score over the double, force a bad shot or commit a turnover, he’s making bailout passes rather than creative passes.

Besides enjoying watching Frank develop and KP make the leap, I’m also really enjoying the camaraderie of the team. Everyone (well, maybe not Sessions) seems to genuinely encourage each other, enjoy each other’s success, and stay positive when things don’t go well.

Now if only the NBA would let the Knicks play the rest of their schedule at MSG.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#310 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:55 pm

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Greenie wrote:Frank looked good, huh?

Yassssssssssss


Who knew that going for a long term approach in the backcourt instead of a band aid would be a good thing for this franchise? :noway: :nonono: :banghead:


don't say that. people want to call him a bust already.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#311 » by GONYK » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:59 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:don't say that. people want to call him a bust already.


Apparently he wasn't even a PG yesterday afternoon :lol:
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#312 » by j4remi » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:09 pm

How much sweeter are wins when they're driven by the youth? On national television, we got an MVKP performance along with arguably Frank's best game. The Lakers' kids showed promise but the Knicks youth won out and it was fun. This game was sloppy at times, but the combination of pace and effort from both sides brought the entertainment value to a ten. Now, it was another close and competitive battle with a lottery team...but we won like we were supposed to in the end. I'm still leaning toward going younger, selling off the vets and letting the kids come into their own with a better lottery pick as the prize but I sure as hell won't complain if we get games like that and wind up closer to an 8th seed than a Doncic. The kids played the key roles, the effort level was high and win or lose; I just had a lot of fun watching this one unfold. But the win was sweet.

KP: When the Lakers undersized 4's tried to guard him, he shot over them. When the bigs like Lopez tried to stop him, he took them out to the three point line and rained on them. On a night where both rosters showed off their young talent and rising stars, KP was the only player who looked like a present day star. 37 pts on 14/26, 11 boards and 5 blocks as KP was an absolute terror inside; Ingram is gonna have nightmares about KP meeting him at the rim. The three point shooting was back for this one (5/8) and KP's poise through three was impressive. He looked like a leader, making buckets when we needed them and visibly hurrying guys to get back and defend in the second quarter. In the fourth though, he forced some things and did some ref complaining. But once he settled into a mainly two man game with Frank or letting Beas take the heat off of him, he was back to being the dominant presence on the floor. It was fun to watch.

Frank: Breaking format again because this kid was the clear second star on the night. Lonzo Ball went off in the third quarter and looked like he was ready to go blow for blow with the Knicks, then Frank checked in and of course N-A-H were the letters he spelt. Lonzo got pretty much locked down as the game went on from there and Frank emerged both defensively AND offensively. 13 pts, 5 asts, 5 boards in 29 minutes and he again only turned it over once (albeit the TO was ugly as hell). The kid is more comfortable shooting, he put Lonzo in the Matrix with an in and out dribble, he attacked and found players in good positions...and he STILL could be even more aggressive. He picks his spots to attack off the dribble but he's at his best when he plays fast and I'd love to see him just push the pace from the second he steps on the floor to the time he gets off instead of being measured. The mistakes will increase, but I think the impact will be even more pronounced.

Kanter: Looked a bit better last night but still not nearly 100%. He still had a productive night. 14/11 in 27 mins on 70% from the field for Kanter. Where the hip thing stands out is that his lateral movement is looking as labored as Luke Kornet in summer league. But he's become a guy that the team rallies around and it's impossible to ignore that he's a workhorse.

Lee: This was a game where the aggression backfired for probably the first time. Lee was 5/17 and 0/4 from three. He forced the issue and missed open guys that he usually finds. In short, he seemed like he was pressing which never happens. 10 pts, 4 asts, 3 boards, 2 steals; he still pieced together a solid performance by defending well and making things happen but there was some standout ugliness. Also a memo for Lee and Frank, dunk it when you have the lane and can; that's why Timmy is our fastbreak stud. Lee airmailing a fastbreak lay-up because Randle was a step behind him was really bad.

Lance: 24 minutes are too many to be a forgettable starter in imo. 5 pts, 3 boards and I'd drop a treatise on his intangibles but I don't think they stood out particularly. He did a good job on Ingram...not great, but with the back-up at the rim he did well.

Jack: 1/6 for 3 pts, 10 asts, 6 boards...he continues to tally assists, get some boards but struggle scoring most games with some outliers (literally the last one) keeping his starting hopes afloat. The reason he needs to hit the bench sooner than later and the reason Frank played the 4th and OT though is that Jack's defense just isn't what it needs to be. Lonzo was torching him and the assists don't make up for that.

Beas: A much needed good performance. With the Lakers heavily focused on stopping KP, Beasley was able to do a lot of damage on the opposite block late. 13 pts, 5 boards, 2 asts and importantly just 1 TO in 22 minutes. When he's not completely out of control or head in the clouds on defense, he can be a useful release valve to take pressure off ball handlers and KP. His offensive skill works well against an over aggressive defender though a well timed double can break his effectiveness.

Doug: 10 points, 2 boards in 32 minutes but unlike Lance; the pedestrian numbers hide a real intangibles type performance. Doug's constant cutting really gave guys options when the Lakers aggression was smothering them. He pumped in double digit points without hitting a three. Defensively, he's honestly not bad...not a standout or anything, but he's good enough that you don't worry about him out there.

KOQ: in 14 minutes he was 4/4 dropping 8 pts, 3 boards and 2 asts with a couple of bad TO's (I hate moving screen TO's). His effort levels have picked back up though the minutes have kept his impact more muted. A pretty good performance for a bench big.

Baker: Baker followed up a really nice game with kind of a dud. 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 block in 11 minutes...his defense is pretty reliable but he wasn't the big complimentary piece he had been last time out. Still they weren't bad minutes, just meh.

Jeff: First praise goes to sticking to Frank and letting the Frank/KP tandem loose after that combo sorta vanished as the closing crew recently. Frank logged 29 mins (I think that's a career high) that he absolutely deserved. He also didn't just forcefeed KP in the post to close out a tight game. We saw that so often with coaches and Melo, throwing away the offensive sets to kill the clock and hope Melo would make enough tough jumpers to win. The fourth started to look headed that way with KP but Frank and Beasley both took pressure off by just running the sets properly.

More on Frank: Didn't want to overload yall but there's a couple more things to point out from Frank's game last night. One, on switches against big men, Frank used his length to still force them into difficult takes. Two, he hit 3 of 4 three pointers and is stringing together multi-three pointer games. His absolute floor is a 3 and D player with PG skills above any 3/d guy I can think of off the top of my head. His ceiling with that wingspan, size and PG ability is higher than the dome flat earthers believe in.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#313 » by Knicksfan20 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:19 pm

Can’t wait til year 3 when Frank is more explosive and stronger and he starts yamming it on dudes heads.
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Post#314 » by Knicksfan20 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:22 pm

Frank had a nice crossover move that wowed the crowed. I think it ended with a frank missed jumper. Does anybody have this clip for me? Was nice to see him pull off an iso move in game.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#315 » by mpharris36 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:27 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:Frank had a nice crossover move that wowed the crowed. I think it ended with a frank missed jumper. Does anybody have this clip for me? Was nice to see him pull off an iso move in game.


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Post#316 » by BeagleBoss » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:30 pm

GONYK wrote:Frank had an incredible game, and Jeff did pretty much everything you want to see from him as a coach.

KP was incredible, but a lot of the credit goes to Beasley and McDermott. They perfectly helped the team counteract the Lakers doubling of KP.

Great win.


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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#317 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:31 pm

knuckles862 wrote:Missed the game someone give me a quick run down please



it was KP vs the Lakers for 3 quarters then McBuckets, Beasley, and Frank picked it up in the 4th and OT to seal the victory. It was a pretty back and forth game with like 20 leads changes. Ball played well up until the 4th, when Frank locked him up.
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Post#318 » by Knicksfan20 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:32 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Knicksfan20 wrote:Frank had a nice crossover move that wowed the crowed. I think it ended with a frank missed jumper. Does anybody have this clip for me? Was nice to see him pull off an iso move in game.


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Yup, thank you. His handles still need a lot of work, but this was nice to see from him.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#319 » by dakomish23 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:40 pm

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Yassssssssssss


Who knew that going for a long term approach in the backcourt instead of a band aid would be a good thing for this franchise? :noway: :nonono: :banghead:


don't say that. people want to call him a bust already.


I have a feeling it won’t be the last time you hear that.

I don’t get how you can call a guy who plays defense the way he does, passes as well as he does and shown the ability to hit 3s as he does, a bust.

He may never be top 5 at his position, top 15 player level like KP, but he’s going to be solid at worst.

Our starting PGs to begin each season since the 2010 season:

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3 of them signed on vet min deals his year and 1 not in the NBA. Sprinkle in Billups, Davis and Bibby who are retired.

Everyone needs to shut up and just be grateful we finally (FINALLY!!!) attempted a long term solution.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#320 » by Reign23 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:42 pm

great games from KP and Frank.

but I'm impressed as hell with the lakers tbh.
they have 3 future stars in ingram, kuz and ball, lot of young talent in addition (randle, nance, clarkson), a hell of a young coach and lots of cap space. wow
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