PG: Can't stop, won't stop

[the ultimates]

It's just hilarious to me that the board was absolutely shook about being a treadmill team with Butler. And now those same people have unbridled enthusiasm for a budding treadmill core. Do you guys realize how much talent is in the NBA right now?

If we are actually going to build a contender, that means that 75% of this roster will have to be turned over.

Every team outside of Cleveland, GSW, San Antonio, Houston and Boston with a healthy Hayward are treadmill teams.

[3noD]

We may need to increase Holiday’s and Zipser’s minutes.

Time to see what we’ve got in Felicio


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[Rerisen]

Our Expected Win Loss is 5-21, so we're slightly outpacing by only 1 win right now.

Our expected W/L is garbage because half our rotation is different now.

You be better off using the metrics of the last 10 days or so, because that is who will be playing going forward - at least till they make a move.

But news says we are now shopping, so I expect that process to get expedited.

[Red Larrivee]

Draft narratives are almost always bull. This year is no exception.

The odds are very much still in place.

Except they're not. Whoever gets selected at #1 doesn't necessarily carry the odds that most #1 picks do. It's why the Anthony Bennett year went out of the window.

[johnnyvann840]

That is my whole premise. You start those two together.. they are both agile and can switch onto smaller players. Their rim protection is underrated. You have a 3rd big who is more of a true 5 who is not going to get shoved around by the M. Gasol's, Boguts and Howards and the few true C's left. I mean playing a 7 footer and a 6'10 guy at the 4/5 is not even really going small.

I do know the Bulls liked Lauri and Niko at the 4/5 in Fred's system. If I'm the Bulls I move RoLo and see if Niko is for real or is it a fluke. Because if it for real Lauri and Niko can cause so many problems.

That’s what I’ve been saying. Trade all your depth and set us up for the future. Keep the tank rolling.

If you really want to tank the right way, that is what you do. Keep the guys who are progressing and playing winning ball... you just make sure you have no depth, a shyt bench you can always go to to lose games. It keeps the tank rolling along but you have a group that you play that you hope dominate their minutes and have a bench that can lose leads quickly and often.

[TheSuzerain]

It's just hilarious to me that the board was absolutely shook about being a treadmill team with Butler. And now those same people have unbridled enthusiasm for a budding treadmill core. Do you guys realize how much talent is in the NBA right now?

If we are actually going to build a contender, that means that 75% of this roster will have to be turned over.

I won't speak for everyone, but some aren't advocating a run on the treadmill. They're simply saying that:

1. Improving young players is a good thing.
2. It's premature to say this team is costing itself a great draft pick.

It's a long season and every team typically ends up as good as they're supposed to be. If the Bulls are truthfully as good as this four game winning streak, then sure let's panic. But, that would also imply that a lot of unsustainable numbers (Mirotic) are actually sustainable.

You may not think you guys are advocating a run on the treadmill, but that's exactly what you are doing.

Red, I think you know enough to realize that there is no Curry, Harden, LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, CP3, Embiid, or Giannis type talent on this team. And I think you know at least 1 of those type of talents if not 2 to actually contend in this golden age of NBA talent.

[Jo Jo English]

We just won four straight!



Yeah, late to the comment party, but this is not helpful.

[Chi town]

We are too good to tank.

Won tonight without Lauri and LaVine. Jazz had everybody.

[TheSuzerain]

It's just hilarious to me that the board was absolutely shook about being a treadmill team with Butler. And now those same people have unbridled enthusiasm for a budding treadmill core. Do you guys realize how much talent is in the NBA right now?

If we are actually going to build a contender, that means that 75% of this roster will have to be turned over.

Every team outside of Cleveland, GSW, San Antonio, Houston and Boston with a healthy Hayward are treadmill teams.

So I'm to understand that the goal is no longer to build a contender? We're just trying to get back to the playoffs with a new, flashier paint job?

[Rerisen]

Do you guys realize how much talent is in the NBA right now?

Yes, and that's why many never wanted to tank in the first place.

Getting happy that our collection of mid-range talent is larger or happening sooner than expected, is nutso.

Bulls don't even have a Klay Thompson potential player yet, let alone a Draymond, Durant or Curry.

But we're supposed to be cheering that the team suddenly looks like it could end up with a 4-6 pick instead of a 1-2.

[Stratmaster]

Yeah they should have done it like Hinkie so they could be .500 in 4 or 5 seasons. I don't have green font available... on my phone... sorry.

If it took them 4-5 years just to finally have real hope, what do you think we are going to accomplish only tanking 1 year, or if this keeps up, not even tanking 1 season?

The history of successful rebuilds is pretty devoid of teams that did it in 1 year, unless they drafted an MJ or LeBron.

Just because the Bulls now look like maybe a bottom 10 team instead of a bottom 1, isn't a reason to get giddy or think we should change the big picture plan. This team is not ready to start trying to win.

Package Rolo Holiday and Bobby for a bad short term contract and 2019 first rounder. Get a top 10 pick in 2018. Top free agent in 2018. Package your 2 2019 first rounders to move up to 6 or 7 in the 2019 draft.

Everyone keeps acting like the tank til you draft a superstar is some proven stairway to heaven. It has yet to work for anyone.

There is more than one way to accomplish this.

Regardless you owe me an and one for working the Led Zep reference in.

[johnnyvann840]

and regarding my last post... we were basically there until Bobby, Niko and Nwaba came back. And now we have Lavine getting close which is going to send another player to the bench who can make it stronger even.

[the ultimates]

It's just hilarious to me that the board was absolutely shook about being a treadmill team with Butler. And now those same people have unbridled enthusiasm for a budding treadmill core. Do you guys realize how much talent is in the NBA right now?

If we are actually going to build a contender, that means that 75% of this roster will have to be turned over.

Every team outside of Cleveland, GSW, San Antonio, Houston and Boston with a healthy Hayward are treadmill teams.

So I'm to understand that the goal is no longer to build a contender? We're just trying to get back to the playoffs with a new, flashier paint job?

No you want to build a contender. Most of the teams even with high picks who are playing at mvp levels are still treadmill teams. So have those front offices messed up the rebuild or roster construction? The Wolves with two number one picks are a treadmill team.

[Payt10]

Even though Dunn didn't shoot well—or, rather finish well—I think he missed 3-4 easy layups tonight—I'm encouraged to see him have another low turnover/high assist game. This is his 4th game in a row where he's had less than 4 turnovers. 32 assists in those 4 games, too. He also had 4 steals. 10 total over those 4 games.

He is getting better.

[ArizonaBullsFan]

Yeah....tell me there is no concern about the tank..

I have no concern, because we are getting close to what I've been trying to say for the last few days, because of our play the last few weeks...

...I'm pretty sure we ain't tanking. We're reaching the point of using our NBA-best cap space this summer instead, because we have a pretty good young core in place.

I've been saying all along that we are 3 years in on this rebuild already, thanks to Mr Thibs. We already have 2 top-7 picks playing, and we still haven't seen the "best, most well known, highest chance of being a superstar, most valuable piece we got from Mr Thibs."

Go ahead and laugh all you want, I'm laughing my arse off right now thinking aboutt all the 100% definite proclomations I read for 5 months that, without a doubt, "Dunn is a bust" and "Who da eff is this Lauri guy, Dennis Smith Jr!!! We need a PG, Dunn and Grant are busts who suck and would get zero minutes on a playoff team. GarPax were so horrible putting young players around Jimmy that they HAD to trade him."

[GameBredAPBT]

I swear to God if we are winning Lauri and Lavine. One of them better become superstars. Cause goal was to get high pick and get one. And now that's out the window.

Donavan Mitchell as the best player on the floor tonight by far... 13th pick.

Forget about tonight. Best player in the entire draft.

[Rerisen]

Package Rolo Holiday and Bobby for a bad short term contract and 2019 first rounder. Get a top 10 pick in 2018. Top free agent in 2018. Package your 2 2019 first rounders to move up to 6 or 7 in the 2019 draft.

Everyone keeps acting like the tank til you draft a superstar is some proven stairway to heaven. It has yet to work for anyone.

There is more than one way to accomplish this.

Regardless you owe me an and one for working the Led Zep reference in.

Even if you make those trades, now with Dunn, Lavine and Lauri onboard, I really only see next summer as our big shot at a star, that's why it needs to be as high as possible.

If not then competing will be Over the Hills and Far Away, and GarPax are Dazed and Confused and there isn't gonna be a Whole Lot to Love.

[Jo Jo English]

The front office may have to get on the ball and start to gut the non-long-term pieces. I am sure this little streak is as surprising to them as it has been for us.

At least half of this season's success is getting a high of a pick as possible. Like it or not it is reality. This week has cost us.

(Unless we buck the lottery odds. Which is possible, but not what you should count on. Play the odds.)

[madvillian]

Even though Dunn didn't shoot well—or, rather finish well—I think he missed 3-4 easy layups tonight—I'm encouraged to see him have another low turnover/high assist game. This is his 4th game in a row where he's had less than 4 turnovers. 32 assists in those 4 games, too. He also had 4 steals. 10 total over those 4 games.

He is getting better.

and his defensive instincts are translating into big time production. Another 4 steals tonight, and they weren't cheap ones.

Kris Dunn just looks like a player. He blows a **** of layups but **** if everything else isn't usually a net positive.

[Red Larrivee]

You may not think you guys are advocating a run on the treadmill, but that's exactly what you are doing.

Red, I think you know enough to realize that there is no Curry, Harden, LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, CP3, Embiid, or Giannis type talent on this team. And I think you know at least 1 of those type of talents if not 2 to actually contend in this golden age of NBA talent.

Despite being against this entire plan to begin with, I understand what's needed to compete at a high level in the NBA. However, I don't think that plan has been altered much.

I think young players will continue to improve, but I don't think the Bulls will continue to win.