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2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#501 » by denterprise » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:48 pm

tleikheen wrote:
Here’s a novel idea - let’s not give up an asset for someone who will be a UFA.


Here's another novel idea ... using your asset if you see an opportunity is what an asset is for.

Knicks need athleticism and preferably someone who can shoot the long ball. If you can get a young shooter who won't command a big contract for essentially a young player who is getting no playing time and is buried to the bench ,then that might be using an asset wisely.


The Magic are shopping him and will try and get what they can after decreasing his value. If we can acquire him without trading an asset that could be used for better talent then we should do it. If we can get him now and he works out we would have an advantage in re-signing him in free agency over some other random team.
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Re: RE: Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#502 » by GONYK » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:57 am

denterprise wrote:
tleikheen wrote:
Here’s a novel idea - let’s not give up an asset for someone who will be a UFA.


Here's another novel idea ... using your asset if you see an opportunity is what an asset is for.

Knicks need athleticism and preferably someone who can shoot the long ball. If you can get a young shooter who won't command a big contract for essentially a young player who is getting no playing time and is buried to the bench ,then that might be using an asset wisely.


The Magic are shopping him and will try and get what they can after decreasing his value. If we can acquire him without trading an asset that could be used for better talent then we should do it. If we can get him now and he works out we would have an advantage in re-signing him in free agency over some other random team.


Why would we have an advantage? There is nothing about his situation financially that gives us a leg up. Any team can pay him more.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#504 » by GONYK » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Man, that Fansided article was awful
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#505 » by j4remi » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:28 pm

Now that the Thunder are starting to feel buyer's remorse, let's offer them their boys Doug and Kanter along with their Bulls second rounder back and our other second rounder (gotta sweeten that pot) for Paul George instead of Melo...
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#506 » by GONYK » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:31 pm

j4remi wrote:Now that the Thunder are starting to feel buyer's remorse, let's offer them their boys Doug and Kanter along with their Bulls second rounder back and our other second rounder (gotta sweeten that pot) for Paul George instead of Melo...


I don't think George could get Oladipo by himself back at this point :lol:
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Re: RE: Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#507 » by denterprise » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:59 pm

GONYK wrote:
denterprise wrote:
tleikheen wrote:
Here's another novel idea ... using your asset if you see an opportunity is what an asset is for.

Knicks need athleticism and preferably someone who can shoot the long ball. If you can get a young shooter who won't command a big contract for essentially a young player who is getting no playing time and is buried to the bench ,then that might be using an asset wisely.


The Magic are shopping him and will try and get what they can after decreasing his value. If we can acquire him without trading an asset that could be used for better talent then we should do it. If we can get him now and he works out we would have an advantage in re-signing him in free agency over some other random team.


Why would we have an advantage? There is nothing about his situation financially that gives us a leg up. Any team can pay him more.


An advantage in respect that he would be more familiar with us if all things were equal. If all we could offer was 6 million and someone else offered 10, then no there would not be any advantage. Any edge we can get in free agency we need to explore.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#508 » by Thugger HBC » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:35 pm

Hezonja was one of those players during that draft I was intrigued by, along with KP, so I wasn't surprised they went 4, 5. I do still have an interest in him, but not via trade.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#509 » by mpharris36 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:05 am

paul george is the exact type of player you would want to target for the knicks. Two way player with play making abilities...not going to happen though because I don't see him going anywhere but LA...
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#510 » by dakomish23 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:22 am

Now folks are docking at Super Mario island

The kid has been in an awful situation. If that team was smart they could of had this as their squad

Oladipo Payton
Hezonja Fournier
Harris Harkless
Gordon
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I hope he ends up somewhere like GSW or CLE. Let the kid do what he does best without the weight of all the expectations on you.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#511 » by Capn'O » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:32 am

dakomish23 wrote:Now folks are docking at Super Mario island

The kid has been in an awful situation. If that team was smart they could of had this as their squad

Oladipo Payton
Hezonja Fournier
Harris Harkless
Gordon
Isaac KOQ

I hope he ends up somewhere like GSW or CLE. Let the kid do what he does best without the weight of all the expectations on you.


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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#512 » by Capn'O » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:44 am

Thugger HBC wrote:Hezonja was one of those players during that draft I was intrigued by, along with KP, so I wasn't surprised they went 4, 5. I do still have an interest in him, but not via trade.


He's obviously physically talented but sounded very immature. Whether he's moved past that enough or not is above my pay grade but that kind of mental evaluation should still stand in whether he would be a target.
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#513 » by NYG » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:06 am

I know this is very anti-rebuild through the draft approach that we should take, but...

Lance Thomas for Maurice Harkless
Frank Ntilikina, Kyle O’Quinn and 2018 Knicks 1st for Kemba Walker
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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#514 » by dakomish23 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:48 am

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dakomish23 wrote:Now folks are docking at Super Mario island

The kid has been in an awful situation. If that team was smart they could of had this as their squad

Oladipo Payton
Hezonja Fournier
Harris Harkless
Gordon
Isaac KOQ

I hope he ends up somewhere like GSW or CLE. Let the kid do what he does best without the weight of all the expectations on you.


They really did snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


Sometimes it pays to stand pat instead of going for the home run.

I forgot to add Sabonis and Vuc to that list!

Even if they just never do the Ibaka and Jennings trades, they’d be good. But they did and now they’re watching the two best players from that group enter their prime
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2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#515 » by nyJnyKnyY » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:50 am

NYG wrote:I know this is very anti-rebuild through the draft approach that we should take, but...

Lance Thomas for Maurice Harkless
Frank Ntilikina, Kyle O’Quinn and 2018 Knicks 1st for Kemba Walker

Da fuq?‍♂️


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Re: RE: Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#516 » by GONYK » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:43 am

NYG wrote:I know this is very anti-rebuild through the draft approach that we should take, but...

Lance Thomas for Maurice Harkless
Frank Ntilikina, Kyle O’Quinn and 2018 Knicks 1st for Kemba Walker
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Hypothetical: Would you trade for Kemba on draft day? 

Post#517 » by TheDavinciCHODE » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:20 am

I know there's a trade thread but I thought this deserved its own

Hypothetical: Charlotte comes calling on draft day and asks for

The 15th pick
A future first
Salary filler (so maybe Kanter's expiring deal)

In exchange for Kemba on a promise to re-sign with the team.

Would you do it?

I don't think it's as cut and dry as most would think, and of course, if Charlotte wanted Frank, we would have to seriously consider things.

Pros:

Fit: Kemba is a hand-in-glove fit for a team starved for good point guard play. He's dynamic off the bounce, a killer from midrange, and a sniper from deep. Pairing him with KP would create a devastating 1-2 punch and move THJ to his natural 3rd banana role. He fits well in that he'd make a great pick and roll partner for KP, can be a spot up threat for KP post ups, and can get his in isolation late in the clock to take the pressure off of KP.

Defense: He is undersized for the NBA at 6'1 170, but he plays tough and scrappy. The Knicks have been playing Calderon, Jack, and other cardboard cutouts at the PG in recent seasons, so Kemba would be a breath of fresh air.

Prime: He's 27 and we'd have him roughly from 28-32 under a max deal. Those are prime years. His final year at 32 or 33 might be a bad year, but for 3 star seasons, it's good for us.

He's Kemba Walker: Talent wins in the NBA and it's something we are sorely lacking. Kemba is a star PG capable of dropping 20 + on any night with ease on good efficiency. He'd open things up so much for THJ and McBuckets.

Cons:

Price: Signing Kemba to a max deal would strap us cap wise. We'd be locked in to a core of KP/Kemba/THJ/Frank. Not a bad thing...but maybe not the best moving forward.

Timing: Our best player is still budding and is still two years or so from his physical prime. Kemba would jump the rebuild and force us to compete for a title over the next 2-3 seasons while Kemba is in his prime. We'd probably have no chance at a title.

Frank: If we really want to groom Frank to be a PG, Kemba would be in his way. Of course, Kemba is already a star so we'd have to ride or die with him.

Our best lineup would probably be:

Kemba
THJ
Frank
Buckets
KP

Or

Kemba
Frank
Buckets
KP
defensive center

The Knicks would become really good....but is it worth it?
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Re: Hypothetical: Would you trade for Kemba on draft day? 

Post#518 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:34 am

No.
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Re: Hypothetical: Would you trade for Kemba on draft day? 

Post#519 » by DOT » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:45 am

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Re: Hypothetical: Would you trade for Kemba on draft day? 

Post#520 » by ChaosHamster » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:50 am

Probably not. Because there is a good chance we can sign Kemba when his contract expiries after 18/19 season.

Why pay two first for him?

If its just one first, I would do it. 1.5 half years of Kemba could build the chemistry for the future.

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