Signed By Indiana - The Jeremy Lamb Thread

[bravor]

The same can be said with Lamb/Batum association. Lamb can shine when he has + defenders to play with him at guard position (pg and forward or guards depending on his positioning). Otherwise at best you are sharing baskets.

[catch20two]

All I want for Christmas is the Hornets organization to come to their senses and start Lamb for the remainder of the season since he’s arguably the team’s 2nd best player and for certainly the 2nd best scorer. I just compared Lamb’s season stats to Otto Porter and it’s very close.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I think that Lamb should be starting also, but the odds seem low as long as Batum and MKG are here and Cliff might be back.

[Eoghan]

It seems like Lamb is the only player on the roster that can score in a variety of ways, after Kemba. Everybody else needs someone else to create their offense for them (Batum could create his offense, he just doesn't, for French reasons probably). I guess he sucks it up coming off the bench b/c teams know that he's the only guy they really have to guard. He'd get more open looks as a starter and between him, MKG and Dwight we'd clean the glass most nights. I'd like to see him start just to force some of the 2nd unit guys into stepping up on offense more.

[yosemiteben]

If Lamb had close to the offensive impact that Kemba has, we wouldn't constantly fall apart offensively when Kemba comes out of the game.

[Joest2003]

If Lamb had close to the offensive impact that Kemba has, we wouldn't constantly fall apart offensively when Kemba comes out of the game.

Lamb isn't always on the floor when Kemba comes out though. Regardless no one on the team has half the offensive impact Kemba does. I would say Lamb is a far second though. Makes you wonder who would be third. Dwight I guess. Maybe Frank on certain nights. This team is in complete shambles lol

[catch20two]

If Lamb had close to the offensive impact that Kemba has, we wouldn't constantly fall apart offensively when Kemba comes out of the game.

Lamb isn't always on the floor when Kemba comes out though. Regardless no one on the team has half the offensive impact Kemba does. I would say Lamb is a far second though. Makes you wonder who would be third. Dwight I guess. Maybe Frank on certain nights. This team is in complete shambles lol

Yup, sadly Dwight is 3rd if we’re talking raw product but even sadder Marvin might be the 3rd if we’re talking offensive impact.

Why Lamb doesn’t play 30+ minutes a night starting or not is beyond ridiculous when you look at the production of the rest of this team beyond Kemba. Just poor coaching and roster management. One area that has limited this team over the years other than development. Injuries have forced Clifford and Co. to play the best lineups over the years that has surged us into the playoffs.

[Joest2003]

If Lamb had close to the offensive impact that Kemba has, we wouldn't constantly fall apart offensively when Kemba comes out of the game.

Lamb isn't always on the floor when Kemba comes out though. Regardless no one on the team has half the offensive impact Kemba does. I would say Lamb is a far second though. Makes you wonder who would be third. Dwight I guess. Maybe Frank on certain nights. This team is in complete shambles lol

Yup, sadly Dwight is 3rd if we’re talking raw product but even sadder Marvin might be the 3rd if we’re talking offensive impact.

Why Lamb doesn’t play 30+ minutes a night starting or not is beyond ridiculous when you look at the production of the rest of this team beyond Kemba. Just poor coaching and roster management. One area that has limited this team over the years other than development. Injuries have forced Clifford and Co. to play the best lineups over the years that has surged us into the playoffs.

I can think of 25 million reason why Lamb doesn't start lol but seriously I don't understand either. He should easily be seeing 30 plus MPG on this roster. I would be saying this if I was from Connecticut or Washington state this has nothing to do with UCONN. He is one of our best players. Your best players should be getting the most minutes period.

[catch20two]

Lamb isn't always on the floor when Kemba comes out though. Regardless no one on the team has half the offensive impact Kemba does. I would say Lamb is a far second though. Makes you wonder who would be third. Dwight I guess. Maybe Frank on certain nights. This team is in complete shambles lol

Yup, sadly Dwight is 3rd if we’re talking raw product but even sadder Marvin might be the 3rd if we’re talking offensive impact.

Why Lamb doesn’t play 30+ minutes a night starting or not is beyond ridiculous when you look at the production of the rest of this team beyond Kemba. Just poor coaching and roster management. One area that has limited this team over the years other than development. Injuries have forced Clifford and Co. to play the best lineups over the years that has surged us into the playoffs.

I can think of 25 million reason why Lamb doesn't start lol but seriously I don't understand either. He should easily be seeing 30 plus MPG on this roster. I would be saying this if I was from Connecticut or Washington state this has nothing to do with UCONN. He is one of our best players. Your best players should be getting the most minutes period.

Eh they think I’m a UConn fan just because I speak reason because it’s convenient for them but always ignore when I vouch for Kentucky players. It is what it is.

They don’t have to move Batum to the bench but they certainly need to be playing Lamb 30+ minutes.

There’s a lot of versatility on this roster that the coaches don’t utilize. Batum can play 4 positions. Lamb can play 4 positions. MKG can play 3 positions. Marv can play 3 positions. Frank can play 2 positions. It’s just asinine that we hardly ever see Batum or MKG play PF, Marv play C, and etc.

[yosemiteben]

"They think I'm a UConn fan because I speak reason."

Right...

My whole point is that if Lamb is our second best scorer, and our bench is offensively incompetent, moving Lamb to the starting group makes no sense. I've missed the counter to that argument despite making it a bunch of times now.

The argument for moving Lamb to the starting group, if it's the right move, is that he's incapable of carrying a scoring load as a first option and our second unit will perform better without him. If you don't believe that is true, then I don't understand the justification for the move.

[catch20two]

"They think I'm a UConn fan because I speak reason."

Right...

My whole point is that if Lamb is our second best scorer, and our bench is offensively incompetent, moving Lamb to the starting group makes no sense. I've missed the counter to that argument despite making it a bunch of times now.

The argument for moving Lamb to the starting group, if it's the right move, is that he's incapable of carrying a scoring load as a first option and our second unit will perform better without him. If you don't believe that is true, then I don't understand the justification for the move.

I told your hardheaded self the answer to that a long time ago during the off-season lol We’re not going to have a good second unit no matter what as long as MCW plays. He doesn’t even belong in the NBA.

And also if you paid attention it has nothing to do with starting Lamb even though he should be starting. It has everything to do with playing him 30+ minutes to give Kemba more help offensively.

Another reasoning on Batum playing with the bench is for him to become the de facto PG as the facilitator so that we never have to play MCW again.

Reading is fundamental.

[Joest2003]

"They think I'm a UConn fan because I speak reason."

Right...

My whole point is that if Lamb is our second best scorer, and our bench is offensively incompetent, moving Lamb to the starting group makes no sense. I've missed the counter to that argument despite making it a bunch of times now.

The argument for moving Lamb to the starting group, if it's the right move, is that he's incapable of carrying a scoring load as a first option and our second unit will perform better without him. If you don't believe that is true, then I don't understand the justification for the move.

The counter is that the second unit desperately needs a playmaker. MCW is not that guy and without a doubt Batum would make the second unit better with his playmaking. Lamb has also been more successful with the starters because he's not the the main focus of the defense. The counter has always been there you just choose to ignore it.

[yosemiteben]

I told your hardheaded self the answer to that a long time ago during the off-season lol We’re not going to have a good second unit no matter what as long as MCW plays. He doesn’t even belong in the NBA.

If Lamb can't be a serviceable primary scoring option with the second unit, that seems like a major issue to me. Kemba would. If we want to talk about how great Lamb is, we need to bring up that he requires a primary scorer to be effective.

And also if you paid attention it has nothing to do with starting Lamb even though he should be starting. It has everything to do with playing him 30+ minutes to give Kemba more help offensively...Reading is fundamental.

Yeah man I don't know how I keep having this idea that you've been arguing for Lamb to start. Clearly this statement shows that you've never focused on that.

Another reasoning on Batum playing with the bench is for him to become the de facto PG as the facilitator so that we never have to play MCW again.

Batum is better at running a lineup and organizing an offense, no doubt. I don't love Batum's performance this season, but I'm pretty sick of all the talking of both sides of your mouth ("the bench sucks" + "Batum sucks" + "Lamb is an elite 6th man" = "Lamb is too good to play off the bench but isn't at all responsible for our bench sucking, but switching him for Batum would help fix it").

Calling for Lamb to start has much less to do with his strengths and more to do with the fact that he can't organize an offense, create efficiently on his own, or set up his teammates consistently, so we have to go find someone who can.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

The ideas that Lamb starting or Nic coming off the bench are both best for the team are not mutually exclusive.

[316Hornets]

If Lamb can't be a serviceable primary scoring option with the second unit, that seems like a major issue to me. Kemba would. If we want to talk about how great Lamb is, we need to bring up that he requires a primary scorer to be effective.

How much of that is on Lamb and how much of that is on the coaching staff? Lamb isn't given the opportunity to be a primary scoring option because we have to appease our other guys like Frank and Monk, who are only good for offense. If we had Frank out there and didn't get him scoring chances, then he'd be a huge net negative. The same can be said for Monk.

Kemba is also more of a deep threat guy that can just pull up with drill a 3. That isn't Lamb's game. He's got to get inside and it's tough finding space when defenders can ignore MCW and sag off of Frank.

[catch20two]

If Lamb can't be a serviceable primary scoring option with the second unit, that seems like a major issue to me. Kemba would. If we want to talk about how great Lamb is, we need to bring up that he requires a primary scorer to be effective.

Lamb has proven to be more effective as far as production than Batum whether he’s starting or coming off the bench but he’s more efficient as a starter because he get to play off Kemba just like every other starter that’s more effective playing alongside Kemba. The only difference is that Lamb is more productive than the other starters playing alongside Kemba and he gives Kemba that 2nd option scorer that he so desperately need.

Yeah man I don't know how I keep having this idea that you've been arguing for Lamb to start. Clearly this statement shows that you've never focused on that.

Yes I argue that Lamb should start because he should but more importantly he should get 30+ minutes a night whether he’s starting or coming off the bench because that means that he’ll play with the starters without bruising Batum or MKG ego. Smart money says that I’ve been advocating for more small ball that’ll feature each of Lamb/MKG/Batum in the same lineup more than I’ve been advocating for him to start but you only “focus” on what you choose to “focus” on.

Batum is better at running a lineup and organizing an offense, no doubt. I don't love Batum's performance this season, but I'm pretty sick of all the talking of both sides of your mouth ("the bench sucks" + "Batum sucks" + "Lamb is an elite 6th man" = "Lamb is too good to play off the bench but isn't at all responsible for our bench sucking, but switching him for Batum would help fix it").

Calling for Lamb to start has much less to do with his strengths and more to do with the fact that he can't organize an offense, create efficiently on his own, or set up his teammates consistently, so we have to go find someone who can.

Oooooh. There you go. You’ve been itching to say that for a while but always go into denial whenever I say that posters on the board want to trade Lamb although he’s one of the more productive bench wings in the NBA.

The theory is that our bench needs someone who can play PG and delete MCW out of the equation. The second best player at playing PG on the team is Batum. That doesn’t mean that our bench won’t still suck but it takes MCW aka the worst player in the rotation out of the lineup which is worth a try to at least shake things up. Only a fool would think continuing to play MCW despite his woes would pay off dividends for the team eventually. Therefore you and our coaches may very well be some fools or to say the least think foolishly.

[yosemiteben]

It's a framing issue. Lamb needs less time with the second unit not because he's so great, but because his flaws (poor vision, poor playmaking, shakey iso defense, unwilling C&S shooter) are exposed with that group. When the only positive **** I hear you say about this team is frequently how awesome Lamb is, how fun it is to see how great he is, how much he needs to start because he's so good, how bad other players and how much better Lamb is, etc., without a single comment about how the unit he anchors is **** terrible and how he might in some way be responsible...it just gets real old.

Not even going to focus you acting like I'm making up the fact that you constantly argue that Lamb should start.

[catch20two]

It's a framing issue. Lamb needs less time with the second unit not because he's so great, but because his flaws (poor vision, poor playmaking, shakey iso defense, unwilling C&S shooter) are exposed with that group. When the only positive **** I hear you say about this team is frequently how awesome Lamb is, how fun it is to see how great he is, how much he needs to start because he's so good, how bad other players and how much better Lamb is, etc., without a single comment about how the unit he anchors is **** terrible and how he might in some way be responsible...it just gets real old.

Not even going to focus you acting like I'm making up the fact that you constantly argue that Lamb should start.

Lol. Thanks for the laugh. Lamb isn’t great but he’s the 2nd best scorer that we have and that’s what it is. We can debate back and forth about that but it’ll be a waste of your hand movement typing because I’ll win like always since it’s all about making sound logic. Making sound logic and giving a solution rather than agreeing with what’s wrong is where I excel at in comparison to you because you never have a opinion that varies much from what the coaching staff is currently doing.

[Braggins]

The team sucks too bad to have any on court rivalries, but the Catch22 vs. Yosemiteben rivalry is fire.

[yosemiteben]

Catch reminds me a ton of Master Ichiro.