Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread

[thr3ep01nte4]

Bagley should be comparable to Julius Randle. Randle is 6-9 with a 6-11 wingspan, while Bagley is 6-10 with a 7-0 wingspan. They are both high motor tweeners and also both lefties.

Doncic is more of a glue/support guy, an offensively better AK47 with much less defense. And he’s not very good at 1-on-1’s, which makes it hard for playoffs.

Ayton is therefore the safest pick. Hope he can improve his defense.

Julius Randle, huh? I was thinking more like John Collins with less polish but more upside.

Ayton as the safest pick in the draft sounds about right, though.

John Collins comp sounds good too. Bagley just doesn’t have the incredible physical tools like Ayton or the high level polished offensive skill set like Doncic to be considered the no.1 pick.

[tbhawksfan1]

#1 Adding a star is a possibility. Draft is stacked and deep.

#2 Dedmon, Beli and Illya should allow TS to get more picks and especially move up.

#3 I like a big with the first pick and I'd try to get Carter as another to add with Collins and first pick.

#4 If #3 played out like that, it gets easy to fill out the roster with some swing guys

I'd want the roster to look something like

Ayton / Carter
Collins / FA / Moose
Prince / Kurucs
Baze / Bembry / Mykhailiuk
Schro / Duval / Dorsey

Ayton is a sure top 3, Carter and Duval are solid top 15 type picks and a couple great shooters added to the wing

[tbhawksfan1]

Thing to think about with Doncic is that he's likely stepping back to older, more experienced players on his team. Can he be a #1? That's the question that could separate him from #1 and #3 or 4

[jayu70]

#1 Adding a star is a possibility. Draft is stacked and deep.

#2 Dedmon, Beli and Illya should allow TS to get more picks and especially move up.

#3 I like a big with the first pick and I'd try to get Carter as another to add with Collins and first pick.

#4 If #3 played out like that, it gets easy to fill out the roster with some swing guys

I'd want the roster to look something like

Ayton / Carter
Collins / FA / Moose
Prince / Kurucs
Baze / Bembry / Mykhailiuk
Schro / Duval / Dorsey

Ayton is a sure top 3, Carter and Duval are solid top 15 type picks and a couple great shooters added to the wing

Does Duval, Kirucs, Carter have solid 3 point range?

[thr3ep01nte4]

Thing to think about with Doncic is that he's likely stepping back to older, more experienced players on his team. Can he be a #1? That's the question that could separate him from #1 and #3 or 4

I think it depends on the coaching staff. I think Coach Bud can work well with him. My concern with Doncic is that he's not a good ISO player. In the playoffs, when the defense gets tight, the team needs to depend on its franchise player to get buckets. Doncic might not be able to that well. If he can develop a nice ISO game, then he's gonna be a problem.

[CP War Hawks]

From a physical stand point, I'll comp Bagley with Noah. 6-11 with short arms, narrow shoulders, high motor, pretty high bbiq. Of course Noah had better defensive instincts on defense as Bagley does on offense.

Bagley is 18 and listed at 6-11, 235. Guys that have high motors can become alright on defense. I say that with John Collins as an example. He's way farther ahead of where he should be defensively and his consistent effort is one of the reasons.

[tbhawksfan1]

#1 Adding a star is a possibility. Draft is stacked and deep.

#2 Dedmon, Beli and Illya should allow TS to get more picks and especially move up.

#3 I like a big with the first pick and I'd try to get Carter as another to add with Collins and first pick.

#4 If #3 played out like that, it gets easy to fill out the roster with some swing guys

I'd want the roster to look something like

Ayton / Carter
Collins / FA / Moose
Prince / Kurucs
Baze / Bembry / Mykhailiuk
Schro / Duval / Dorsey

Ayton is a sure top 3, Carter and Duval are solid top 15 type picks and a couple great shooters added to the wing

Does Duval, Kirucs, Carter have solid 3 point range?

Carter is Horford heavy with a better post game. Doesn't have Horf's pedigree, but love his inside out game and size.
Kurucs and Mykhail are euro shooting / slashing wings. Both can be elite with the 3
Duval I haven't read up on much, but he seems to be a bit of a Shro clone, a little stronger and longer maybe. Slashing scorer /passer that needs to work on shot a bit.

[Jamaaliver]

Does Duval, Kirucs, Carter have solid 3 point range?

Duval I haven't read up on much, but he seems to be a bit of a Shro clone, a little stronger and longer maybe. Slashing scorer /passer that needs to work on shot a bit.

Duval, the PG out of Duke, is a top defender at the position and an elite playmaker in both transition and the half court offense.

But he might be the worst shooting PG from this draft.

He's only 19, so all hope isn't lost.

But he's a terrible shooter as it stands today.

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Scouting Report:

Averaging 8.9 assists per 40 minutes, the obvious appeal right now to Trevon Duval stems from his ability to facilitate. Teams will value his breakdown quickness and knack for setting the table.

But will he able to score in the NBA? He's been one of the worst-shooting ball-handlers in the country, making just 22.5 percent of his jump shots (including 5-of-33 from deep). Duval's 15.4 points per 40 minutes are significantly lower than those from any other college point guard on the first-round radar.

It's too early to knock the 19-year-old into the second round given his NBA tools, athleticism and two-way playmaking. Just look at Kris Dunn, who's suddenly figuring it out at 23 years old.

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I kinda hope we get the #2 spot so we can pick him without hesitation. It'd be hard to pass on Ayton if available, but Luka is special.

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He needs to go back to school and attempt to rehab his draft value as a junior.

On the off chance he does come out early, I'd take a flier on him with pick #31. A non-guaranteed contract, but a draft and stash option with tremendous upside.

[macd-gm]

Are the moves Doncic is using to get his shot off really going to work in the NBA? Just judging from a few highlights it doesn't seem like his quickness is NBA level and bigger quicker guys will smother those shots. Hope i'm wrong.

[Spud2nique]

Are the moves Doncic is using to get his shot off really going to work in the NBA? Just judging from a few highlights it doesn't seem like his quickness is NBA level and bigger quicker guys will smother those shots. Hope i'm wrong.

No he's gonna be able to get shots off and even take guys in ISO situations...a poster before said that he might have ISO issues...no way...I've seen a lotta euros come and go in my day...he's got the IT factor...he's currently my favorite of the top prospects.

I'm just hoping the Mavs don't get him...it's not fair for them to have Dirk for 20 years and now the next best Euro prospect for possibly 20 more.

Luka for president!

[Jamaaliver]

Are the moves Doncic is using to get his shot off really going to work in the NBA? Just judging from a few highlights it doesn't seem like his quickness is NBA level and bigger quicker guys will smother those shots. Hope i'm wrong.

This is a legit concern I have whenever I watch video.

He isn't quick and he can't jump.

Elite defenders will be able to smother him with on-ball defense. He definitely needs an offense where he can be run off screens to create as much space as possible.

I suspect he'll be most effective as a point forward.

But he can't be an alpha dawg, #1 scoring option.

Young, elite defenders would be licking their chops at the chance to shut Doncic down in isolation.

But his IQ and ball handling are elite. He knows how to use his body to shield smaller/quicker defenders. His court vision is amazing.

But he could see a lot of the same growing pains that Lonzo Ball has seen early. Because he can't finish in the paint and is only a solid jump shooter. (But his passing is spectacular.)

Carlisle, Budenholzer and Brad Stevens could use him properly. But if he goes to ORL or CLE...it could get ugly.

[atlantabbq99]

Bagley should be comparable to Julius Randle. Randle is 6-9 with a 6-11 wingspan, while Bagley is 6-10 with a 7-0 wingspan. They are both high motor tweeners and also both lefties.

Doncic is more of a glue/support guy, an offensively better AK47 with much less defense. And he’s not very good at 1-on-1’s, which makes it hard for playoffs.

Ayton is therefore the safest pick. Hope he can improve his defense.

Bagley reminds me more of Chris Webber, both in Michigan and Sacramento.

Doncic reminds me of Harden, but I don't trust the Spanish League, besides the Gasol brothers, the Spanish League has produced alot of bust so far.

I agree, Ayton is the clear cut #1 for me. He might not be the generational player that Lebron, Duncan, or Shaq were, but he could be a force in the NBA for the next two decades like how prime Amare, or prime KG were or what Giannis is now.

[thr3ep01nte4]

Bagley should be comparable to Julius Randle. Randle is 6-9 with a 6-11 wingspan, while Bagley is 6-10 with a 7-0 wingspan. They are both high motor tweeners and also both lefties.

Doncic is more of a glue/support guy, an offensively better AK47 with much less defense. And he’s not very good at 1-on-1’s, which makes it hard for playoffs.

Ayton is therefore the safest pick. Hope he can improve his defense.

Bagley reminds me more of Chris Webber, both in Michigan and Sacramento.

Doncic reminds me of Harden, but I don't trust the Spanish League, besides the Gasol brothers, the Spanish League has produced alot of bust so far.

I agree, Ayton is the clear cut #1 for me. He might not be the generational player that Lebron, Duncan, or Shaq were, but he could be a force in the NBA for the next two decades like how prime Amare, or prime KG were or what Giannis is now.

Like the James Harden comparison. Harden in the playoffs is much less effective. His ISO moves don’t work well against good defenders. Refs allow more contact to take away his drawfoul. And he becomes a lower level decision maker. Last playoffs against the Spurs, he would hold the ball for 19 seconds before taking a bad shot. Again, when a player is selected this high, I think we need to consider how he will fare in the postseason.

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[Jamaaliver]

No he's gonna be able to get shots off and even take guys in ISO situations...a poster before said that he might have ISO issues...no way...I've seen a lotta euros come and go in my day...he's got the IT factor...he's currently my favorite of the top prospects.


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[kg01]

Bagley should be comparable to Julius Randle. Randle is 6-9 with a 6-11 wingspan, while Bagley is 6-10 with a 7-0 wingspan. They are both high motor tweeners and also both lefties.

Doncic is more of a glue/support guy, an offensively better AK47 with much less defense. And he’s not very good at 1-on-1’s, which makes it hard for playoffs.

Ayton is therefore the safest pick. Hope he can improve his defense.

Bagley reminds me more of Chris Webber, both in Michigan and Sacramento.

Doncic reminds me of Harden, but I don't trust the Spanish League, besides the Gasol brothers, the Spanish League has produced alot of bust so far.

I agree, Ayton is the clear cut #1 for me. He might not be the generational player that Lebron, Duncan, or Shaq were, but he could be a force in the NBA for the next two decades like how prime Amare, or prime KG were or what Giannis is now.

Like the James Harden comparison. Harden in the playoffs is much less effective. His ISO moves don’t work well against good defenders. Refs allow more contact to take away his drawfoul. And he becomes a lower level decision maker. Last playoffs against the Spurs, he would hold the ball for 19 seconds before taking a bad shot. Again, when a player is selected this high, I think we need to consider how he will fare in the postseason.

You're right about Har_en in the playoffs. However, his effectiveness wanes in the playoffs partly due to him being so mentally lazy. Does the bare minimum to get open in reg. season which becomes easy to defend in the playoffs. If he actually tried, rather than resting on his laurels, he'd reach that next level.

I've said for a little while now that Sexton could be a Har_en type. An elite talent, potentially on both ends. Budz could coach out his bad habits.

I've soured a bit on the "consensus" top 3 of Ayton, Doncic and Bagley. Widened my proverbial net to include Sexton despite my concerns over his 'tude.

[jayu70]

Bagley reminds me more of Chris Webber, both in Michigan and Sacramento.

Doncic reminds me of Harden, but I don't trust the Spanish League, besides the Gasol brothers, the Spanish League has produced alot of bust so far.

I agree, Ayton is the clear cut #1 for me. He might not be the generational player that Lebron, Duncan, or Shaq were, but he could be a force in the NBA for the next two decades like how prime Amare, or prime KG were or what Giannis is now.

Like the James Harden comparison. Harden in the playoffs is much less effective. His ISO moves don’t work well against good defenders. Refs allow more contact to take away his drawfoul. And he becomes a lower level decision maker. Last playoffs against the Spurs, he would hold the ball for 19 seconds before taking a bad shot. Again, when a player is selected this high, I think we need to consider how he will fare in the postseason.

You're right about Har_en in the playoffs. However, his effectiveness wanes in the playoffs partly due to him being so mentally lazy. Does the bare minimum to get open in reg. season which becomes easy to defend in the playoffs. If he actually tried, rather than resting on his laurels, he'd reach that next level.

I've said for a little while now that Sexton could be a Har_en type. An elite talent, potentially on both ends. Budz could coach out his bad habits.

I've soured a bit on the "consensus" top 3 of Ayton, Doncic and Bagley. Widened my proverbial net to include Sexton despite my concerns over his 'tude.

Think I've asked before...what about the 'tude.

[kg01]

Like the James Harden comparison. Harden in the playoffs is much less effective. His ISO moves don’t work well against good defenders. Refs allow more contact to take away his drawfoul. And he becomes a lower level decision maker. Last playoffs against the Spurs, he would hold the ball for 19 seconds before taking a bad shot. Again, when a player is selected this high, I think we need to consider how he will fare in the postseason.

You're right about Har_en in the playoffs. However, his effectiveness wanes in the playoffs partly due to him being so mentally lazy. Does the bare minimum to get open in reg. season which becomes easy to defend in the playoffs. If he actually tried, rather than resting on his laurels, he'd reach that next level.

I've said for a little while now that Sexton could be a Har_en type. An elite talent, potentially on both ends. Budz could coach out his bad habits.

I've soured a bit on the "consensus" top 3 of Ayton, Doncic and Bagley. Widened my proverbial net to include Sexton despite my concerns over his 'tude.

Think I've asked before...what about the 'tude.

What is his 'tude? (Not sure if that's what you're asking.)

He's a really brash kid to the point of being a 'technical foul for taunting' risk all the time. Kid did stuff like scream at himself during HS games to get psyched up. Like and1 mixtape/AAU hype man stuff. Looked really weird to me but I guess it works for him.

His trash -talk is what kicked off everything which led to the Bama bench being ejected in that game where they had to play 3-on-5.

I think he could be an excellent pickup provided his aggression can be harnessed.