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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#361 » by closg00 » Fri Jan 5, 2018 12:58 am

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Zonkerbl wrote:Trump's base is a solid 40% of the voting electorate. It's not a majority but it's too large to ignore and is showing no signs of dwindling.


Elections are decided by swing voters, Trumps "base" can't save him.


those swing voters pay checks just got bigger. Their 401k just got much bigger.

i would target most swing voters in the range of 25-150k. Trump Knows that. His tax relief almost solely targets them. At the same time, NY, Ca, Il, will not be changed from blue to red. and therefore the tax reform wont help them.

just eye balling it...it looks to me like a family of 4 that makes 40-70K just earned themselves an additional 5-7K in tax relief.

I'm sorry for you libs, but thats enough to at least keep trump in office. So again we get back to your weak candidates. You dont have anyone that can beat him. So your path is still solely impeachment. And that path gets weaker and weaker as the months pass and more and more of the outgoing Obama admin weaponized DOJ gets exposed.


So you're willing to bet your money on this right? Trump and his **** of governing, wore out his welcome within one month of taking the office. Unless there is a war, I doubt he even runs again. I am still betting that the Mueller probe brings him down.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

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Post#370 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Jan 5, 2018 1:20 am

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Elections are decided by swing voters, Trumps "base" can't save him.


those swing voters pay checks just got bigger. Their 401k just got much bigger.

i would target most swing voters in the range of 25-150k. Trump Knows that. His tax relief almost solely targets them. At the same time, NY, Ca, Il, will not be changed from blue to red. and therefore the tax reform wont help them.

just eye balling it...it looks to me like a family of 4 that makes 40-70K just earned themselves an additional 5-7K in tax relief.

I'm sorry for you libs, but thats enough to at least keep trump in office. So again we get back to your weak candidates. You dont have anyone that can beat him. So your path is still solely impeachment. And that path gets weaker and weaker as the months pass and more and more of the outgoing Obama admin weaponized DOJ gets exposed.


So you're willing to bet your money on this right? Trump and his **** of governing, wore out his welcome within one month of taking the office. Unless there is a war, I doubt he even runs again. I am still betting that the Mueller probe brings him down.

What we should have a predictions thread for 2018 midterms and yeah I'll put some money on it individual seats once we make those predictions same for 2020 but that those bets shouldn't be late until a couple days before the election a week at most I was going to be some kind of October surprise right

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#371 » by Pointgod » Fri Jan 5, 2018 2:01 am

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dckingsfan wrote:Well, the U.S. is running $140-160B trade deficit per year - it is incumbent on Canada and Mexico to right that ship or the US should indeed pull out.

From what (anecdotal) information I have seen/heard - Mexico & Canada came back with suggested changes that would actually increase the trade deficits. But publically they are attacking a maligned Trump in order to block any changes - brilliant politically from the two camps. And it would be devastating to all to pull out - but in the end it might be the best thing that Trump could do for the Country. Pull out and then let the next Administration negotiate a fairer deal.


Well from a simplistic perspective, of course the US is going to run a trade deficit with Canada considering that it's more than 10 times the size of the country. The US is also almost 3 times the size of Mexico. The Mexican middle class hasn't grown like expected but overall NAFTA has benefited all three countries. If you want to know why it hasn't benefited the USA just look to the recent tax bill. The US is setup so corporations and the top 1% reap disproportionate economic benefits while not reinvesting into it's citizens.

It may be simplistic but - shouldn't the trade deficits sinusoidal around zero and not $150B? And relative size shouldn't matter - right?

And this doesn't account for wages (your comment that corporations and the 1% reap the largest reward) - which is unrelated to the trade deficit.

Are you saying that the deficit is good and we shouldn't do anything about it? It is sustainable and our trade partners are right?

I am puzzled as to why you wouldn't want to see an adjustment to this agreement and why the obfuscation by Mexico and Canada is okay?


Well I'm not American so I don't have some sense of placing the blame on America's economic woes on trade deals. I'm looking at this from a purely objective economic standpoint. One thing that anti free trade people don't acknowledge is that America has a trade surplus when it comes to services. This is undoubtedly a good thing and you would think more politicians would emphasize the need to capatilize on this competitive advantage but the grievance politics of convincing people they're being screwed by trade deals that most of them don't understand gets votes.

The deficit is driven by the consumption of goods and cars. I assume Americans enjoy having cheap cars and products to consume. There's always the opportunity to renegotiate trade deals but Trump doesn't want a fair trade deal he wants a deal which is lopsided in favour of America but he can't even explain why the deficits are bad. Again this is a very simple explanation but even countries with trade surpluses are experiencing lower economic growth than the US.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#372 » by Pointgod » Fri Jan 5, 2018 2:31 am

Jesus the Republicans really don't have any shame. So is anyone going to call out Trump on directing the Justice Department to settle personal grievances? The Justice department must remain independent of the President.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#373 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Jan 5, 2018 3:08 am

Pointgod wrote:Jesus the Republicans really don't have any shame. So is anyone going to call out Trump on directing the Justice Department to settle personal grievances? The Justice department must remain independent of the President.

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It goes waaaaaaaaay beyond that my non-american friend. waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond. Where are you from anyway?

Numerous investigations have been re-launched.

Some never ended and were ongoing like the tie-in and pay-to-play of the Uranium One deal, The Clinton foundation, and the WJC Foundation, Bill Himself, and HRC herself. And that's just Uranium One. The Daily beast and The Hill have done all the leg work on this via the FOI ACT as the Obama DOJ leftovers (AKA deep state) have stone walled both congress and the current DOJ appointees. remember those "bad russians" that CNN has told us about for 1.5 years!!??? lol. yeah them. HRC, Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, Holder, Mccabe, OBAMA, all signed off on the Uranium One deal which sold 20% of our uranium as well as uranium rich mines in Kazakhstan to Russia so that Russia could corner the market on Uranium. While hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton foundation from the middle east and russia with direct ties to the Uranium One deal.

And yes the current DOJ is taking another fresh look at the HRC email. Destruction of evidence. Her use of "bleach bit" on her "personal" server (that was used for government business and contained tons of classifies info and documents) after that server was subpoenaed. Yes, she is guilty of "destruction of evidence."

And then HRC directed her entire team to smash their government issue blackberries phones (again after they were subpoenaed). Also "destruction of evidence." At this point the destruction of evidence charges also becomes "obstruction of justice."

And all of that was covered up by the outgoing "Obama" DOJ. All so HRC could win.

And at the same time HRC, the DNC, and the FBI and paid for the steele dossier which fabricated Russian ties to Trump...because a russian attorney "promised dirt" on HRC at 20 minute meeting. The main stream media was in on it and ran with it for 18 straight months.

so guess what happens now!!!!!!!! thats right. the tides they are a turnin'!!!! :nod: :nod: :nod:

now we are going to march a bunch of HRC staffers and people she barely knew and met maybe once or twice up to capital hill. :lol: :lol: :lol: we are going to march them up to capital Hill and put them in interviews with the FBI and see who flinches. Let's see who points fingers and names names now :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

Huma Abedin and weiner's turn. :nod: :nod: Then the douchebags who made coffee for them. :nod: :nod: Wait for the inconsistencies :nod: :nod: :nod: and let the games begin. :nod: :nod: :nod:

here's what I predict. Every damn one of them will plead the 5th. or "do not recall." So we will have to just go with the paper trail. and bring the bring out the grand juries. :nod: :nod: :nod:

All i know is I got the appetite for it. I dont think its petty. :nonono: :nonono: :nonono: And I want to see "justice" served. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#375 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Jan 5, 2018 3:29 am

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OHHH MY GAWD!!! no!! not that!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Anything but that!!!! Bro, that looks...ummmmmmm....weeeeeelllllll????? actually??? uuuuuuuummmm....boy...geeesh....not sure....what exactly are we looking at here? Going to have to explain this one to me...oh wait....i see it now. Nothing, right? It's positively absolutely.........nothing. I mean...in your quest for "death of a thousand cuts" you brought a actual spoon tonight? held it in your hand by the "sharp" part. And stabbed your own eye out with the handle. :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#377 » by Wizardspride » Fri Jan 5, 2018 3:33 am

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OHHH MY GAWD!!! no!! not that!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Anything but that!!!! Bro, that looks...ummmmmmm....weeeeeelllllll????? actually??? uuuuuuuummmm....boy...geeesh....not sure....what exactly are we looking at here? Going to have to explain this one to me...oh wait....i see it now. Nothing, right? absolutely nothing. I mean...in your quest for "death of a thousand cuts" you brought a actual spoon tonight? held it in your hand by the "sharp" part. And stabbed your own eye out with the handle. :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

In an effort to help you understand look at my following post.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#378 » by Pointgod » Fri Jan 5, 2018 3:40 am

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Pointgod wrote:Jesus the Republicans really don't have any shame. So is anyone going to call out Trump on directing the Justice Department to settle personal grievances? The Justice department must remain independent of the President.

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It goes waaaaaaaaay beyond that my non-american friend. waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond. Where are you from anyway?

Numerous investigations have been re-launched.

Some never ended and were ongoing like the tie-in and pay-to-play of the Uranium One deal, The Clinton foundation, and the WJC Foundation, Bill Himself, and HRC herself. And that's just Uranium One. The Daily beast and The Hill have done all the leg work on this via the FOI ACT as the Obama DOJ leftovers (AKA deep state) have stone walled both congress and the current DOJ appointees. remember those "bad russians" that CNN has told us about for 1.5 years!!??? lol. yeah them. HRC, Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, Holder, Mccabe, OBAMA, all signed off on the Uranium One deal which sold 20% of our uranium as well as uranium rich mines in Kazakhstan to Russia so that Russia could corner the market on Uranium. While hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton foundation from the middle east and russia with direct ties to the Uranium One deal.

And yes the current DOJ is taking another fresh look at the HRC email. Destruction of evidence. Her use of "bleach bit" on her "personal" server (that was used for government business and contained tons of classifies info and documents) after that server was subpoenaed. Yes, she is guilty of "destruction of evidence."

And then HRC directed her entire team to smash their government issue blackberries phones (again after they were subpoenaed). Also "destruction of evidence." At this point the destruction of evidence charges also becomes "obstruction of justice."

And all of that was covered up by the outgoing "Obama" DOJ. All so HRC could win.

And at the same time HRC, the DNC, and the FBI and paid for the steele dossier which fabricated Russian ties to Trump...because a russian attorney "promised dirt" on HRC at 20 minute meeting. The main stream media was in on it and ran with it for 18 straight months.

so guess what happens now!!!!!!!! thats right. the tides they are a turnin'!!!! :nod: :nod: :nod:

now we are going to march a bunch of HRC staffers and people she barely knew and met maybe once or twice up to capital hill. :lol: :lol: :lol: we are going to march them up to capital Hill and put them in interviews with the FBI and see who flinches. Let's see who points fingers and names names now :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

Huma Abedin and weiner's turn. :nod: :nod: Then the douchebags who made coffee for them. :nod: :nod: Wait for the inconsistencies :nod: :nod: :nod: and let the games begin. :nod: :nod: :nod:

here's what I predict. Every damn one of them will plead the 5th. or "do not recall." So we will have to just go with the paper trail. and bring the bring out the grand juries. :nod: :nod: :nod:

All i know is I got the appetite for it. I dont think its petty. :nonono: :nonono: :nonono: And I want to see "justice" served. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Tell me how that Benghazi investigation worked out for Republicans. Nothing will come of any of these investigations. Also how can any of these investigations be considered fair since they are being directed by Hillary Clinton's former presidential opponent? Also for someone that believes in crazy conspiracy theories you don't think the timing of this is suspect considering the **** going on in the whitehouse?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#379 » by stilldropin20 » Fri Jan 5, 2018 3:44 am

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OHHH MY GAWD!!! no!! not that!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Anything but that!!!! Bro, that looks...ummmmmmm....weeeeeelllllll????? actually??? uuuuuuuummmm....boy...geeesh....not sure....what exactly are we looking at here? Going to have to explain this one to me...oh wait....i see it now. Nothing, right? absolutely nothing. I mean...in your quest for "death of a thousand cuts" you brought a actual spoon tonight? held it in your hand by the "sharp" part. And stabbed your own eye out with the handle. :nonono: :nonono: :nonono:

In an effort to help you understand look at my next post.


Director of the FBI and the Attorney general are both "political" appointees. Thats why elections have consequences. But you know that. Even the highes court in th eland, those judges see the law differently. But you know that too. Thats why Obama's DOJ let Hillary slide on high crimes and felonies. But you know that too. Thats why elections are so important. Judges are appointed. Directors of the DOJ are appointed. Ambassadors are appointed. Some for life. Some for 10 year terms. Most can be fired at any time. And again, you know all this. The "law" is an illusion. I'm quite certain you knwo that too. And thats why you have been on Russia gate for 14 straight months. because you know that the "law" does NOT actually matter. What matters is public perception and ones ability to navigate the law. And you know that too.

So the actual issue you are having or will begin to have :lol: :lol: is that this clumsy Trump Administration is just now wrapping its head around how the law works in Washington and how to effectively navigate it as well as weaponize it. :nod: :nod: :nod: Look out maphuckas!!!! Cuz dis mofo is petty. :nod: :nod: :nod: And I given the bull effing shxt the outgoing DOJ put him through combined with MSM, I fully support him being beyond petty. :nod: :nod: let's get some dirt and dangle some jail time and see where the chips fall. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVII 

Post#380 » by Wizardspride » Fri Jan 5, 2018 3:49 am

Nevermind.

I give up.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.

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