Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

[emunney]

Wish we could do DJ for Hernangomez. Either Hernangomez, really.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

If the Bucks are going to entertain the idea of keeping Jordan, they might as well include Jabari in the package, because they won't be able to afford keeping both.

Jabari for Jordan is borderline even for me. He would have to opt in for me to really like the deal.

You're right though. I haven't seen very many people who want to keep Jabari actually propose realistic solutions for how they're going to pay him. Even if you like him and don't care about the injuries, that's a big problem by itself. The Bucks don't have assets to move bad contracts for expirings, and all their expiring contracts are so small that they'll be eaten up by cap holds for empty roster spots.

Khris will be an expiring next season.....and we could get major cap relief from the Mirza situation if he never plays again

[TroyD92]

This is why you don't sign the Tony Snell's of the world to 40-50 million dollar contracts even though it looks like a value.

[StickeeFingaz]

Not really anything we didn't expect but have heard from two people within bucks front office that they are looking hard at trading Jabari.

They have brought in special data analytic guys with just the sole purpose of seeing how effective Jabari can be coming back from injury.

Hope this isn’t true. Could really see the Bucks botching a Jabari trade.


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[TroyD92]

Not really anything we didn't expect but have heard from two people within bucks front office that they are looking hard at trading Jabari.

They have brought in special data analytic guys with just the sole purpose of seeing how effective Jabari can be coming back from injury.

Hope this isn’t true. Could really see the Bucks botching a Jabari trade.


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Trading him when he has his lowest value is a really Bucks thing to do

[DingleJerry]

Not really anything we didn't expect but have heard from two people within bucks front office that they are looking hard at trading Jabari.

They have brought in special data analytic guys with just the sole purpose of seeing how effective Jabari can be coming back from injury.

Hope this isn’t true. Could really see the Bucks botching a Jabari trade.


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Trading him when he has his lowest value is a really Bucks thing to do

So is handing out 100+ mil to a chronically injured player just to have it happen again and/or never be the same

[TroyD92]

Hope this isn’t true. Could really see the Bucks botching a Jabari trade.


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Trading him when he has his lowest value is a really Bucks thing to do

So is handing out 100+ mil to a chronically injured player just to have it happen again and/or never be the same

Because it's a given he's getting 100 million? I don't think it is. If he wants to gamble on himself let him take the QO and prove he can still play. If he plays great than you can have the discussion of should we keep v let someone else pay him.

[DingleJerry]

Trading him when he has his lowest value is a really Bucks thing to do

So is handing out 100+ mil to a chronically injured player just to have it happen again and/or never be the same

Because it's a given he's getting 100 million? I don't think it is. If he wants to gamble on himself let him take the QO and prove he can still play. If he plays great than you can have the discussion of should we keep v let someone else pay him.

No that wasn't my point, more a joke that it's a Bucks thing to hand out a very bad contract that blows up in their face.

But to what you said. If healthy I'd be surprised if it's under 100, shocked if under 80. Unless he looks like a shell when he plays, but then why would we want him at all. If he was going to take a team friendly deal they'd have gotten it done already and all the leaked info sound like he and his agent have some pretty high expectations for this deal. If you know me on this board, you know I'm in agreeance with what you said. But to the original Bucks/contract joke, it's not a Bucks move to be that financially prudent as you describe on what they should do. They usually do the opposite, and just hand out dumb contracts.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Not really anything we didn't expect but have heard from two people within bucks front office that they are looking hard at trading Jabari.

They have brought in special data analytic guys with just the sole purpose of seeing how effective Jabari can be coming back from injury.

Hope this isn’t true. Could really see the Bucks botching a Jabari trade.


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Trading him when he has his lowest value is a really Bucks thing to do

his lowest value will be trying to trade him next year when hes blown his acl a 3rd time and he has a 100 million contract. he isn't even close to his lowest potential value right now imo

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

in jabaris head it a given hes going to get 100 million or more and in my head its a given someone desperate will give it to him. the only thing not a given is whether its going to be us. I hope we aren't that desperate.

[jakecronus8]

For me it's always come down to either trading Jabari for what you can, or having to agonize over matching a huge money offer sheet he signs with Chicago. I'd be quite surprised if that isn't the scenario (if he's with us past the deadline) unless another team beat Chicago's offer. Getting something for him is obviously preferable.

[coolhandluke121]

You're right though. I haven't seen very many people who want to keep Jabari actually propose realistic solutions for how they're going to pay him. Even if you like him and don't care about the injuries, that's a big problem by itself. The Bucks don't have assets to move bad contracts for expirings, and all their expiring contracts are so small that they'll be eaten up by cap holds for empty roster spots.

Khris will be an expiring next season.....and we could get major cap relief from the Mirza situation if he never plays again

See, that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. How is that a solution? That's after Jabari would get a big raise, and you can't force Mirza to medically retire if he doesn't want to. He could be back. That doesn't address the issue at all. They are right on the cusp of the luxury tax now, and their only expiring contracts will all be cancelled out by cap holds on empty roster spots.

The financial issues combined with the injury issues are just too much even if you love his game. Combine that with the fact that he hasn't really been a net positive when he's played and you sure have to ignore a lot of major issues to advocate keeping him.

[coolhandluke121]

Trading him when he has his lowest value is a really Bucks thing to do

It is just categorically wrong to assume that his value can't go lower. That's what people kept saying after the first ACL. There's a very good chance he has extreme negative value not one year into his next contract.

[Bernman]

Trading him when he has his lowest value is a really Bucks thing to do

So is handing out 100+ mil to a chronically injured player just to have it happen again and/or never be the same

Because it's a given he's getting 100 million? I don't think it is. If he wants to gamble on himself let him take the QO and prove he can still play. If he plays great than you can have the discussion of should we keep v let someone else pay him.

100 million isn't that much for a 2nd contract these days. It's not that close to the max. I think he gets near that if he comes back and shows something. We want him to show something, but then that's the best case if we keep him? If he bets on himself and his health with the Q.O. (which frankly would be foolish, take the financial security with his history), then he enters ufa and gets even more, but still with 2 blown acl's already in the bank. I don't want to be the team that pays him and players who sign the q.o. aren't exactly content with that team. We'd get the season and a half of a 6th man, essentially. None of the scenarios are particularly palatable. So I'd say we would be selling high if he were dealt now. Or at least right before the deadline, in February, when he's slated to return, and could get a few game audition.

[StickeeFingaz]

It would be so Bucks to give all this **** money to Delly, Telly, Snell, and Henson and then get rid of an all star level young player.

I’ll roll the dice on the guy with blue chip talent even with two knee surgeries.


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[Wisky4life]

I wonder if the Bucks just signed Snell to an ok contract for trade purposes? Wonder how many teams sign or resign a player just for the Trade value???

[Bernman]

It would be so Bucks to give all this **** money to Delly, Telly, Snell, and Henson and then get rid of an all star level young player.

I’ll roll the dice on the guy with blue chip talent even with two knee surgeries.


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Jabari and those other decisions have nothing to do with one another. Maybe they do, and it's that they're all short-sighted. So I guess that's what would be so Bucks. There's nothing saying the Bucks couldn't find an even more desperate team and get real value in return, especially if he were packaged.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

You're right though. I haven't seen very many people who want to keep Jabari actually propose realistic solutions for how they're going to pay him. Even if you like him and don't care about the injuries, that's a big problem by itself. The Bucks don't have assets to move bad contracts for expirings, and all their expiring contracts are so small that they'll be eaten up by cap holds for empty roster spots.

Khris will be an expiring next season.....and we could get major cap relief from the Mirza situation if he never plays again

See, that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. How is that a solution? That's after Jabari would get a big raise, and you can't force Mirza to medically retire if he doesn't want to. He could be back. That doesn't address the issue at all. They are right on the cusp of the luxury tax now, and their only expiring contracts will all be cancelled out by cap holds on empty roster spots.

The financial issues combined with the injury issues are just too much even if you love his game. Combine that with the fact that he hasn't really been a net positive when he's played and you sure have to ignore a lot of major issues to advocate keeping him.

sure.....but it can be done without stretching into the luxury cap tax

not saying they'd be best case....but it could easily happen. bledsoe will also be expiring.

[StickeeFingaz]

It would be so Bucks to give all this **** money to Delly, Telly, Snell, and Henson and then get rid of an all star level young player.

I’ll roll the dice on the guy with blue chip talent even with two knee surgeries.


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Jabari and those other decisions have nothing to do with one another. Maybe they do, and it's that they're all short-sighted. So I guess that's what would be so Bucks. There's nothing saying the Bucks couldn't find an even more desperate team and get real value in return, especially if he were packaged.

Yes, that is my point, the short sightedness of those contracts which will now effect how we handle Jabari’s situation.

Pay the premium talent and then hunt for quality role players instead of overpaying.


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[German Athens]

How would midds for olynyk and Josh Richardson be? Would the heat be interested? Would we?