PG: Knicks bulls game thread 7:30 P.M 1/10

[Juco24]

On another note... how bad does that Rose for Lopez trade look now???

The expiring contract of Rose allowed the THJR signing. So it depends on whether or not you like THJR then it could either be considered real good or real bad

Also I'm not sure which 2nd round pick was used on Dotson and which one was used on Jaramaz. If the Bulls 2nd round pick that we got from Chicago was used on Dotson then that's another good pickup. If it was used on Jaramaz then it was a wasted pick.

For a team that's obviously rebuilding- Holiday at 2 years 9 million seems a lot better than whatever absurd contract they gave Hardaway- who's in witness protection.

Not trying to piss anyone off.... but it's EXTREMELY hard for me believe that this franchise just allowed Holliday to walk and used the same monies to sign Baker!

[Deeeez Knicks]

On another note... how bad does that Rose for Lopez trade look now???

Well we got Holiday and Dotson for him. If we held onto Holiday and played Dotson more, the trade would look better.

Technically, we also got Hardaway and Noah too from the deal

I'd take it all back in a second just to prevent the Noah signing

I think we could have still signed Hardaway either way though

[Billy Goat]

The expiring contract of Rose allowed the THJR signing. So it depends on whether or not you like THJR then it could either be considered real good or real bad

Also I'm not sure which 2nd round pick was used on Dotson and which one was used on Jaramaz. If the Bulls 2nd round pick that we got from Chicago was used on Dotson then that's another good pickup. If it was used on Jaramaz then it was a wasted pick.

For a team that's obviously rebuilding- Holiday at 2 years 9 million seems a lot better than whatever absurd contract they gave Hardaway- who's in witness protection.

THJ got a starter's salary and he's looking like he has all-star potential. that deal about to be a bargain. a gamble at the time, but looks to be paying off. is witness protection your way of referring to an in-season injury?

justin holiday is what he is, a rotation guard. good defender, smart player, limited offense. 29 years old. why would it make sense to retain him long-term when we're working with a much younger timeline?

Hardaway is a league average SG who the Knicks overpaid for no reason. Overpaying for a position thats generally easily replaceable with cheaper options available is a poor way to rebuild. Hardaway is what he is- he's not a foundational piece.

As far as the injury goes- he's been out for how long now? What exactly is the injury again?

[Indomitable]

a team that misses THJr. since he didn't play in any of the game?

they are missing Lavine......no excuse to lose to the bulls 3 x The difference is the coaching

You do realize THJr. is better than Lavine, right?

At what?
Being older

Zach Per career 13.4 T/S 54.6
TIM Per career 13.5 T/S 54.7

That is not better. Zach did that in Thibs craptastic offense while Tim has played more uptempo.

[King of Canada]

For a team that's obviously rebuilding- Holiday at 2 years 9 million seems a lot better than whatever absurd contract they gave Hardaway- who's in witness protection.

THJ got a starter's salary and he's looking like he has all-star potential. that deal about to be a bargain. a gamble at the time, but looks to be paying off. is witness protection your way of referring to an in-season injury?

justin holiday is what he is, a rotation guard. good defender, smart player, limited offense. 29 years old. why would it make sense to retain him long-term when we're working with a much younger timeline?

Hardaway is a league average SG who the Knicks overpaid for no reason. Overpaying for a position thats generally easily replaceable with cheaper options available is a poor way to rebuild. Hardaway is what he is- he's not a foundational piece.

As far as the injury goes- he's been out for how long now? What exactly is the injury again?

I don't know man, if he hadn't been injured he'd be a borderline all star this year.

[robillionaire]

Why did i read this as an ESPN 30 for 30 documentary?

ESPN 30 for 30 presents the invisible man

What if I told you, a man that can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t rebound, and can’t pass - is starting for an NBA team.

[HEZI]

For a team that's obviously rebuilding- Holiday at 2 years 9 million seems a lot better than whatever absurd contract they gave Hardaway- who's in witness protection.

Yeah this is how I felt about it as well. I've accepted it now, it is what it is. I'm trying to appreciate THJ even though we could and maybe should have taken a different route. Hopefully he can just continue to get better and elevate his game to the point where he's at least earning his deal. That's all we could ask for at this point.

he's earning that contract.

i was skeptical at the time of the deal too, but i get it now. he doesn't look like a half-season fluke at all. by year two that deal is a steal. you pay a lot more for tim's skill set and production.

I'd still like to see consistency out of him to be able to say he's earned his contract. Right now we've just gotten a small sample size from him during the brief part of the season that he has played in. In that time we've seen him play terrible, decent, good and great so the jury is still out on him.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yeah this is how I felt about it as well. I've accepted it now, it is what it is. I'm trying to appreciate THJ even though we could and maybe should have taken a different route. Hopefully he can just continue to get better and elevate his game to the point where he's at least earning his deal. That's all we could ask for at this point.

he's earning that contract.

i was skeptical at the time of the deal too, but i get it now. he doesn't look like a half-season fluke at all. by year two that deal is a steal. you pay a lot more for tim's skill set and production.

I'd still like to see consistency out of him to be able to say he's earned his contract. Right now we've just gotten a small sample size from him during the brief part of the season that he has played in. In that time we've seen him play terrible, decent, good and great so the jury is still out on him.

good point. small sample size that has shown all of the tims.

but it was like a crescendo tho. terrible and decent were early and good and great were becoming commonplace until the injury.

but yes, small sample size. it was just encouraging to see that "gets it" timmy didn't seem to be a fluke left behind in atlanta.

[El Poochio]

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[JBreezeNY]

Decided to take a look at some shooting splits since this last page has gotten interesting and here's a comprensive look at the two:

KP: 33 MPG, 23.7 PTS, 6.7 TRB, 1.2 AST, .435 FG%, 682 FGA, .370 3PT%, 165 FGA, .826 FT%, .536 TS%, .479 eFG%, 193 Ast'd, 32.6 USG%, 105 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Oct: 34 MPG, 29.3 PTS, 8.3 TRB, 0.8 AST, .478 FG%, 136 FGA, .364 3PT%, 33 FGA, .810 FT%, .570 TS%, .522 eFG%, 41 Ast'd, 35.3 USG%, 112 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Nov: 30 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 6.1 TRB, 1.2 AST, .461 FG%, 230 FGA, .417 3PT%, 60 FGA, .856 FT%, .582 TS%, .515 eFG%, 65 Ast'd, 33.6 USG%, 110 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Dec: 33 MPG, 22.2 PTS, 6.5 TRB, 1.5 AST, .412 FG%. 221 FGA, .321 3PT%, 53 FGA, .818 FT%, .498 TS%, .450 eFG%, 67 Ast'd, 31.6 USG%, 103 ORtg, 104 DRtg

Jan: 38 MPG: 19.4 PTS, 7.2 TRB, 1.0 AST, .368 FG%, 95 FGA, .368 3PT%, 19 FGA, .769 FT%, .456 TS%, .373 eFG%, 20 Ast'd, 29.4 USG%, 86 ORtg, 110 DRtg

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LM: 30 MPG, 15.4 PTS, 7.6 TRB, 1.3 AST, .428 FG%, 502 FGA, .367 3PT%, 256 FGA, .846 FT%, .554 TS%, .517 eFG%, 158 Ast'd, .22.3 USG%, 105 ORtg, 110 DRtg

Oct: 32 MPG, 15.6, 9.6 TRB, 0.4 AST, .431 FG%, 58 FGA, .417 3PT%, 36 FGA, .813 FT%, .600 TS%, .560 eFG%, 22 Ast'd, 20.6 USG%, 106 ORtg, 107 DRtg

Nov: 30 MPG, 14.1 PTS, 7.7 TRB, 1.8 AST, .383 FG%, 196 FGA, .317 3PT%, 104 FGA, .811 FT%, .502 TS%, .467 eFG%, 54 Ast'd, 22.4 USG%, 100 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Dec: 27 MPG, 14.7 PTS, 6.2 TRB, 1.0 AST, .432 FG%, 169 FGA, .324 3PT%, 71 FGA, .880 FT%, .531 TS%, .500 eFG%, 56 Ast'd, 24.1 USG%, 101 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Jan: 33 MPG, 19.8 PTS, 8.7 TRB, 1.3 AST, .532 FG%, 79 FGA, .511 3PT%, 45 FGA, .923 FT%, .702 TS%, .693 eFG%, 26 Ast'd, 20.4 USG%, 128 ORtg, 116 DRtg

[god shammgod]

Decided to take a look at some shooting splits since this last page has gotten interesting and here's a comprensive look at the two:

KP: 33 MPG, 23.7 PTS, 6.7 TRB, 1.2 AST, .435 FG%, 682 FGA, .370 3PT%, 165 FGA, .826 FT%, .536 TS%, .479 eFG%, 193 Ast'd, 32.6 USG%, 105 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Oct: 34 MPG, 29.3 PTS, 8.3 TRB, 0.8 AST, .478 FG%, 136 FGA, .364 3PT%, 33 FGA, .810 FT%, .570 TS%, .522 eFG%, 41 Ast'd, 35.3 USG%, 112 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Nov: 30 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 6.1 TRB, 1.2 AST, .461 FG%, 230 FGA, .417 3PT%, 60 FGA, .856 FT%, .582 TS%, .515 eFG%, 65 Ast'd, 33.6 USG%, 110 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Dec: 33 MPG, 22.2 PTS, 6.5 TRB, 1.5 AST, .412 FG%. 221 FGA, .321 3PT%, 53 FGA, .818 FT%, .498 TS%, .450 eFG%, 67 Ast'd, 31.6 USG%, 103 ORtg, 104 DRtg

Jan: 38 MPG: 19.4 PTS, 7.2 TRB, 1.0 AST, .368 FG%, 95 FGA, .368 3PT%, 19 FGA, .769 FT%, .456 TS%, .373 eFG%, 20 Ast'd, 29.4 USG%, 86 ORtg, 110 DRtg

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LM: 30 MPG, 15.4 PTS, 7.6 TRB, 1.3 AST, .428 FG%, 502 FGA, .367 3PT%, 256 FGA, .846 FT%, .554 TS%, .517 eFG%, 158 Ast'd, .22.3 USG%, 105 ORtg, 110 DRtg

Oct: 32 MPG, 15.6, 9.6 TRB, 0.4 AST, .431 FG%, 58 FGA, .417 3PT%, 36 FGA, .813 FT%, .600 TS%, .560 eFG%, 22 Ast'd, 20.6 USG%, 106 ORtg, 107 DRtg

Nov: 30 MPG, 14.1 PTS, 7.7 TRB, 1.8 AST, .383 FG%, 196 FGA, .317 3PT%, 104 FGA, .811 FT%, .502 TS%, .467 eFG%, 54 Ast'd, 22.4 USG%, 100 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Dec: 27 MPG, 14.7 PTS, 6.2 TRB, 1.0 AST, .432 FG%, 169 FGA, .324 3PT%, 71 FGA, .880 FT%, .531 TS%, .500 eFG%, 56 Ast'd, 24.1 USG%, 101 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Jan: 33 MPG, 19.8 PTS, 8.7 TRB, 1.3 AST, .532 FG%, 79 FGA, .511 3PT%, 45 FGA, .923 FT%, .702 TS%, .693 eFG%, 26 Ast'd, 20.4 USG%, 128 ORtg, 116 DRtg

lauri getting better as the season goes on, kp getting worse

[Jeff Van Gully]

Decided to take a look at some shooting splits since this last page has gotten interesting and here's a comprensive look at the two:

KP: 33 MPG, 23.7 PTS, 6.7 TRB, 1.2 AST, .435 FG%, 682 FGA, .370 3PT%, 165 FGA, .826 FT%, .536 TS%, .479 eFG%, 193 Ast'd, 32.6 USG%, 105 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Oct: 34 MPG, 29.3 PTS, 8.3 TRB, 0.8 AST, .478 FG%, 136 FGA, .364 3PT%, 33 FGA, .810 FT%, .570 TS%, .522 eFG%, 41 Ast'd, 35.3 USG%, 112 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Nov: 30 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 6.1 TRB, 1.2 AST, .461 FG%, 230 FGA, .417 3PT%, 60 FGA, .856 FT%, .582 TS%, .515 eFG%, 65 Ast'd, 33.6 USG%, 110 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Dec: 33 MPG, 22.2 PTS, 6.5 TRB, 1.5 AST, .412 FG%. 221 FGA, .321 3PT%, 53 FGA, .818 FT%, .498 TS%, .450 eFG%, 67 Ast'd, 31.6 USG%, 103 ORtg, 104 DRtg

Jan: 38 MPG: 19.4 PTS, 7.2 TRB, 1.0 AST, .368 FG%, 95 FGA, .368 3PT%, 19 FGA, .769 FT%, .456 TS%, .373 eFG%, 20 Ast'd, 29.4 USG%, 86 ORtg, 110 DRtg

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LM: 30 MPG, 15.4 PTS, 7.6 TRB, 1.3 AST, .428 FG%, 502 FGA, .367 3PT%, 256 FGA, .846 FT%, .554 TS%, .517 eFG%, 158 Ast'd, .22.3 USG%, 105 ORtg, 110 DRtg

Oct: 32 MPG, 15.6, 9.6 TRB, 0.4 AST, .431 FG%, 58 FGA, .417 3PT%, 36 FGA, .813 FT%, .600 TS%, .560 eFG%, 22 Ast'd, 20.6 USG%, 106 ORtg, 107 DRtg

Nov: 30 MPG, 14.1 PTS, 7.7 TRB, 1.8 AST, .383 FG%, 196 FGA, .317 3PT%, 104 FGA, .811 FT%, .502 TS%, .467 eFG%, 54 Ast'd, 22.4 USG%, 100 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Dec: 27 MPG, 14.7 PTS, 6.2 TRB, 1.0 AST, .432 FG%, 169 FGA, .324 3PT%, 71 FGA, .880 FT%, .531 TS%, .500 eFG%, 56 Ast'd, 24.1 USG%, 101 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Jan: 33 MPG, 19.8 PTS, 8.7 TRB, 1.3 AST, .532 FG%, 79 FGA, .511 3PT%, 45 FGA, .923 FT%, .702 TS%, .693 eFG%, 26 Ast'd, 20.4 USG%, 128 ORtg, 116 DRtg

lauri getting better as the season goes on, kp getting worse

*offense only

[god shammgod]

Decided to take a look at some shooting splits since this last page has gotten interesting and here's a comprensive look at the two:

KP: 33 MPG, 23.7 PTS, 6.7 TRB, 1.2 AST, .435 FG%, 682 FGA, .370 3PT%, 165 FGA, .826 FT%, .536 TS%, .479 eFG%, 193 Ast'd, 32.6 USG%, 105 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Oct: 34 MPG, 29.3 PTS, 8.3 TRB, 0.8 AST, .478 FG%, 136 FGA, .364 3PT%, 33 FGA, .810 FT%, .570 TS%, .522 eFG%, 41 Ast'd, 35.3 USG%, 112 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Nov: 30 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 6.1 TRB, 1.2 AST, .461 FG%, 230 FGA, .417 3PT%, 60 FGA, .856 FT%, .582 TS%, .515 eFG%, 65 Ast'd, 33.6 USG%, 110 ORtg, 106 DRtg

Dec: 33 MPG, 22.2 PTS, 6.5 TRB, 1.5 AST, .412 FG%. 221 FGA, .321 3PT%, 53 FGA, .818 FT%, .498 TS%, .450 eFG%, 67 Ast'd, 31.6 USG%, 103 ORtg, 104 DRtg

Jan: 38 MPG: 19.4 PTS, 7.2 TRB, 1.0 AST, .368 FG%, 95 FGA, .368 3PT%, 19 FGA, .769 FT%, .456 TS%, .373 eFG%, 20 Ast'd, 29.4 USG%, 86 ORtg, 110 DRtg

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LM: 30 MPG, 15.4 PTS, 7.6 TRB, 1.3 AST, .428 FG%, 502 FGA, .367 3PT%, 256 FGA, .846 FT%, .554 TS%, .517 eFG%, 158 Ast'd, .22.3 USG%, 105 ORtg, 110 DRtg

Oct: 32 MPG, 15.6, 9.6 TRB, 0.4 AST, .431 FG%, 58 FGA, .417 3PT%, 36 FGA, .813 FT%, .600 TS%, .560 eFG%, 22 Ast'd, 20.6 USG%, 106 ORtg, 107 DRtg

Nov: 30 MPG, 14.1 PTS, 7.7 TRB, 1.8 AST, .383 FG%, 196 FGA, .317 3PT%, 104 FGA, .811 FT%, .502 TS%, .467 eFG%, 54 Ast'd, 22.4 USG%, 100 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Dec: 27 MPG, 14.7 PTS, 6.2 TRB, 1.0 AST, .432 FG%, 169 FGA, .324 3PT%, 71 FGA, .880 FT%, .531 TS%, .500 eFG%, 56 Ast'd, 24.1 USG%, 101 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Jan: 33 MPG, 19.8 PTS, 8.7 TRB, 1.3 AST, .532 FG%, 79 FGA, .511 3PT%, 45 FGA, .923 FT%, .702 TS%, .693 eFG%, 26 Ast'd, 20.4 USG%, 128 ORtg, 116 DRtg

lauri getting better as the season goes on, kp getting worse

*offense only

well lauri will never have kp's ability to block shots simply because he doesn't have kp's insane length. but he does do a pretty good of defending kp one on one.

[TheGreenArrow]

Read on Twitter

Alan saying the front office is focused on making the playoffs....

This stupid ass franchise just never learns.

On the road to 19-63!!!!!!

[god shammgod]

Alan saying the front office is focused on making the playoffs....

This stupid ass franchise just never learns.

On the road to 19-63!!!!!!

it was obvious to me that once there was a chance of making the playoffs they would continue towards that goal. then they could turn and say...look, we're doing a better job than the last guy. the knicks rarely get a guy who has the best interest of the franchise at heart. the new guys want to prove themselves and have job security. the last guy wanted to breathe life back into his dead offense. they'll be no sell off. kanter will still be here. lee too. willy is the most likely to be traded.

[mpharris36]

Alan saying the front office is focused on making the playoffs....

This stupid ass franchise just never learns.

On the road to 19-63!!!!!!

it was obvious to me that once there was a chance of making the playoffs they would continue towards that goal. then they could turn and say...look, we're doing a better job than the last guy. the knicks rarely get a guy who has the best interest of the franchise at heart. the new guys want to prove themselves and have job security. the last guy wanted to breathe life back into his dead offense. they'll be no sell off. kanter will still be here. lee too. willy is the most likely to be traded.

[GONYK]

lauri getting better as the season goes on, kp getting worse

*offense only

well lauri will never have kp's ability to block shots simply because he doesn't have kp's insane length. but he does do a pretty good of defending kp one on one.

Everybody other than Stanley Johnson has when KP insists on doing nothing but turnaround fades

[Jeff Van Gully]

The expiring contract of Rose allowed the THJR signing. So it depends on whether or not you like THJR then it could either be considered real good or real bad

Also I'm not sure which 2nd round pick was used on Dotson and which one was used on Jaramaz. If the Bulls 2nd round pick that we got from Chicago was used on Dotson then that's another good pickup. If it was used on Jaramaz then it was a wasted pick.

For a team that's obviously rebuilding- Holiday at 2 years 9 million seems a lot better than whatever absurd contract they gave Hardaway- who's in witness protection.

Not trying to piss anyone off.... but it's EXTREMELY hard for me believe that this franchise just allowed Holliday to walk and used the same monies to sign Baker!

crazy that baker is young and fits the timeline?

[TheGreenArrow]

Alan saying the front office is focused on making the playoffs....

This stupid ass franchise just never learns.

On the road to 19-63!!!!!!

it was obvious to me that once there was a chance of making the playoffs they would continue towards that goal. then they could turn and say...look, we're doing a better job than the last guy. the knicks rarely get a guy who has the best interest of the franchise at heart. the new guys want to prove themselves and have job security. the last guy wanted to breathe life back into his dead offense. they'll be no sell off. kanter will still be here. lee too. willy is the most likely to be traded.

This franchis is soo **** sad it hurts man.

[Reign23]

just finished the game. what a big big win.

man I'm so excited with our youth movement. length, defense and youth !!!