2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc)

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Do you guys have any interest in Trae Young?

[SpoSucks]

The problem is that he didn't control all the rules (or perhaps think enough about the implications of his strategy). And that's where the NBA stepped in (I'm assuming they all didn't break any rules/laws. I never heard they did.) Essentially the termination of Hinkie as GM was the final (and perhaps logical) step of The Process. What you and CoryGallagher are doing is saying" I liked the part where our GM took advantage of the rules but I don't like the part where the rules worked against our GM." There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the league did just as there wasn't with what Hinkie did.

You implying that he broke rules and then being ambiguous about those that he supposedly did, or may have, doesn't make it true and consequently doesn't make it right that he was punished. What actual rules did he break that worked against him?

The reason that I'm bitter is because he didn't break any rules and the resulting consequences of not breaking the rules, which you insist he should have thought of, is bull*. That's you giving yourself an out of not having to do any actual explanation, it's also ignoring the logic as to why fans may be bitter...

You obviously didn't read my whole comment or else you would have seen this. "Hinkie used the rules to his advantage as best he could. Nothing wrong with that." Nor did I ever even imply he did. Not once. I even end with "There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the league did just as there wasn't with what Hinkie did." It's the league part that you dislike, but more importantly fail to misunderstand. And here's the why. Things don't happened in a vacuum. They exist inside a whole, in this case the governance and system that is the NBA. They set the ultimate rules, not Hinkie. This is where he failed. Long story short, they didn't like what was occurring and they used the powers they had to stop him. They did just what he did (use their available power within the rules). There is nothing to be bitter about nor was it unfair. Sad, perhaps, seems a more appropriate emotion. Systems adapt and evolve. Always. What you call unfair is just adaptation you don't like.

[CoreyGallagher]

You obviously didn't read my whole comment or else you would have seen this. "Hinkie used the rules to his advantage as best he could. Nothing wrong with that." Nor did I ever even imply he did. Not once. I even end with "There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the league did just as there wasn't with what Hinkie did." It's the league part that you dislike, but more importantly fail to misunderstand. And here's the why. Things don't happened in a vacuum. They exist inside a whole, in this case the governance and system that is the NBA. They set the ultimate rules, not Hinkie. This is where he failed. Long story short, they didn't like what was occurring and they used the powers they had to stop him. They did just what he did (use their available power within the rules). There is nothing to be bitter about nor was it unfair. Sad, perhaps, seems a more appropriate emotion. Systems adapt and evolve. Always. What you call unfair is just adaptation you don't like.

In your original post, wasn't the point that teams should be allowed to tank, but without Silver stepping in? I don't understand your objection to teams being punished similarly for doing what we did, then...

Let's see if Adam Silver has anything to say about this in a couple months.

This is priceless. Now that you guys are done tanking, you want the commissioner to step in and stop other teams from doing it.

Nobody believes or is suggesting that what the league did was wrong lol, the sarcastic suggestion was that other teams should suffer the same consequence as a result of doing as we did - tanking, which you mentioned. Nobody expects that to actually happen, though, which is the issue and indicates that we were specifically targeted.
EDIT: To clarify, I'm not sure why we couldn't feel bitter about that.

[SpoSucks]

You obviously didn't read my whole comment or else you would have seen this. "Hinkie used the rules to his advantage as best he could. Nothing wrong with that." Nor did I ever even imply he did. Not once. I even end with "There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the league did just as there wasn't with what Hinkie did." It's the league part that you dislike, but more importantly fail to misunderstand. And here's the why. Things don't happened in a vacuum. They exist inside a whole, in this case the governance and system that is the NBA. They set the ultimate rules, not Hinkie. This is where he failed. Long story short, they didn't like what was occurring and they used the powers they had to stop him. They did just what he did (use their available power within the rules). There is nothing to be bitter about nor was it unfair. Sad, perhaps, seems a more appropriate emotion. Systems adapt and evolve. Always. What you call unfair is just adaptation you don't like.

In your original post, wasn't the point that teams should be allowed to tank, but without Silver stepping in? I don't understand your objection to teams being punished similarly for doing what we did, then...

Let's see if Adam Silver has anything to say about this in a couple months.

This is priceless. Now that you guys are done tanking, you want the commissioner to step in and stop other teams from doing it.

Nobody believes or is suggesting that what the league did was wrong lol, the sarcastic suggestion was that other teams should suffer the same consequence as a result of doing as we did - tanking, which you mentioned. Nobody expects that to actually happen, though, which is the issue and indicates that we were specifically targeted.

You win. I give up. Like talking to a wall.

[CoreyGallagher]

You win. I give up. Like talking to a wall.

All of this because I mentioned that I was bitter about how the situation was handled by Silver and the league.

Worth it.

[the_process]

OK, that clarifies that part. Still, you operate within a system you're not in charge off. You have to live with the results of your actions. That's life. Now buck up. And rather than be upset it happened, you should be happy. Very unlikely any other team now does the same. Since you all worship the ground Sam Hinkie walks on, nobody will be able to duplicate "The Process". It was the greatest play ever, right?

I can see the sarcasm dripping of those words. Which makes you one of those old school “always play to win even if you can’t” types. No, instead of feeling indignant about tanking what you should be feeling indignant about is watching a league where the commissioner’s office is baldly hypocritical.

See my above post. I'm not indignant about anything. I came to this post for info on the Lakers pick and saw the post I initially referenced. I neither supported or was against The Process. It existed. That's it. It you who are indignant and illogically so.

Right. No agenda. Gotcha.

[LilUzi]

Lakers twitter is talking about trading for someone "for the playoff run" which is the most adorable thing I've ever read.

lmao when you realize the process was for nothing after Colangeo is done with this team

[jbent87]

my bet

atlanta
orlando
chicago
kings
Memphis
Lakers

I think that dallas, phoenix should tank but i don't see them making any moves before the deadline.

You could make an argument for any of these 8 teams that they need to tank the MOST. 8 teams, most of all which WILL tank at some point. Let's see if Adam Silver has anything to say about this in a couple months.

This is priceless. Now that you guys are done tanking, you want the commissioner to step in and stop other teams from doing it.

the point was the Sixers were single handily supposedly ruining the league bc of our solo tank. Now almost 1/3 of the league is doing it - because it worked - but there won't be stepping in for them.

[PLO]

Lakers twitter is talking about trading for someone "for the playoff run" which is the most adorable thing I've ever read.

lmao when you realize the process was for nothing after Colangeo is done with this team

We hear you. We'll be thinking about you Laker fans when we use your first round pick to pick up Mikal Bridges or Jaren Jackson jnr.

[the_process]

Lakers twitter is talking about trading for someone "for the playoff run" which is the most adorable thing I've ever read.

lmao when you realize the process was for nothing after Colangeo is done with this team

We hear you. We'll be thinking about you Laker fans when we use your first round pick to pick up Mikal Bridges or Jaren Jackson jnr.

X1000. I’ll even toast to you LA guys on draft night.

Also agreed that those are the clear top 2 targets for the Sixers in the 6-9 range.

[Stanford]

How great would it be to have this unprotected pick

[PLO]

How great would it be to have this unprotected pick

I guess that would be great but you'd also have to watch Josh Jackson abominate in a 76ers uniform every game. It would be the equivalent of watching Yovanna Ventura dance in front of you with the promise you may be able to touch her one day, whilst at the same time getting a hot poker jammed in a place hot pokers aren't meant to go.

[jbent87]

How great would it be to have this unprotected pick

I guess that would be great but you'd also have to watch Josh Jackson abominate in a 76ers uniform every game. It would be the equivalent of watching Yovanna Ventura dance in front of you with the promise you may be able to touch her one day, whilst at the same time getting a hot poker jammed in a place hot pokers aren't meant to go.

not necessarily. if you subscribe to the thought of Ainges guy being Tatum, Fultz falls right in your lap at 3 and you still have the Lakers pick.

[PLO]

How great would it be to have this unprotected pick

I guess that would be great but you'd also have to watch Josh Jackson abominate in a 76ers uniform every game. It would be the equivalent of watching Yovanna Ventura dance in front of you with the promise you may be able to touch her one day, whilst at the same time getting a hot poker jammed in a place hot pokers aren't meant to go.

not necessarily. if you subscribe to the thought of Ainges guy being Tatum, Fultz falls right in your lap at 3 and you still have the Lakers pick.

Apparently the Lakers were overawed by Fultz's workout - I'm pretty dubious he gets past them TBH, but I could be wrong.

[chris4celts]

You guys will keep the Lakers pick. It will fall 6-10. Then we can do this all over again next year (in a deep draft as the one-and-done is eliminated).

I am already tracking the Kings, in hopes that they get rid of their vets (Randolph, Hill, etc.).

[TTP]

Lakers twitter is talking about trading for someone "for the playoff run" which is the most adorable thing I've ever read.

To be fair, 538 has them at 1% to playoff and not <1%.

[the_process]

You guys will keep the Lakers pick. It will fall 6-10. Then we can do this all over again next year (in a deep draft as the one-and-done is eliminated).

I am already tracking the Kings, in hopes that they get rid of their vets (Randolph, Hill, etc.).

What is the union giving back to get the one-and-done rule erased? The league doesn’t do freebies.

If your answer is nothing, then I wouldn’t hold my breath on that. I also wouldn’t assume SAC will be horrible again next year.

You got Tatum. Be happy with that.

[the_process]

How great would it be to have this unprotected pick

I guess that would be great but you'd also have to watch Josh Jackson abominate in a 76ers uniform every game. It would be the equivalent of watching Yovanna Ventura dance in front of you with the promise you may be able to touch her one day, whilst at the same time getting a hot poker jammed in a place hot pokers aren't meant to go.

not necessarily. if you subscribe to the thought of Ainges guy being Tatum, Fultz falls right in your lap at 3 and you still have the Lakers pick.

Yeah if BC doesn’t trade up, someone else does, and Fultz still goes 1. Also the Lakers liked Fultz more than Ball.

[Sixerscan]

I guess that would be great but you'd also have to watch Josh Jackson abominate in a 76ers uniform every game. It would be the equivalent of watching Yovanna Ventura dance in front of you with the promise you may be able to touch her one day, whilst at the same time getting a hot poker jammed in a place hot pokers aren't meant to go.

not necessarily. if you subscribe to the thought of Ainges guy being Tatum, Fultz falls right in your lap at 3 and you still have the Lakers pick.

Yeah if BC doesn’t trade up, someone else does, and Fultz still goes 1. Also the Lakers liked Fultz more than Ball.

Post about this trade and the 2017 draft in the thread about that. Not in here.

[Sixerscan]

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