3rd Annual Fire Kidd Thread - Volume 2 (Horst Interview pg 14)

[thomchatt3rton]

I tend to place almost zero importance on what GMs etc say to the media/public.
I feel like there are no real insights to be gleaned- this is PR, not actual information.

Am I crazy?


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I think this is mostly the case but the answers Horst gave jive with what many of us see as a problem inside the organisation.

Ahh. So all of our worst fears and darkest suspicions have been confirmed. That is cause for concern.

[DingleJerry]

I tend to place almost zero importance on what GMs etc say to the media/public.
I feel like there are no real insights to be gleaned- this is PR, not actual information.

Am I crazy?


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No, you're exactly right.

Yea, what did ya'll expect? Really think he's going to bash Kidd publicly? This is just PR, nothing to get worked up about either way. I guess him pretty much saying he doesn't have power to fire Kidd isn't ideal, but it's not like we didn't know that anyway already. Also, I'd even venture that almost all GMs would have to speak with the owners before firing the HC and make sure it's ok. After all, it's the owners who'll be paying out the dead contract.

[paulpressey25]

When I listen to David Stearns during an interview, you can just tell he's extremely smart and has a plan. He sounds like a skilled poker player who knows how to play his cards. Horst comes off as a front office puppet with limited authority.

This is an important distinction that you note. I don't expect a GM to tell you in a radio interview what he's going to do, nor do you except him to criticize his players or draft picks. However, I do want the GM to sound like he's a brilliant son of a bitch.

Neither Hammond nor Horst ever give you that impression. Most likely because they aren't at the level we need from a GM.

[blazza18]

I tend to place almost zero importance on what GMs etc say to the media/public.
I feel like there are no real insights to be gleaned- this is PR, not actual information.

Am I crazy?


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I think this is mostly the case but the answers Horst gave jive with what many of us see as a problem inside the organisation.

Ahh. So all of our worst fears and darkest suspicions have been confirmed. That is cause for concern.

The answers to expectation questions and Giannis' minutes weren't really thought out at all. I get PR stuff but don't treat people like they're idiots.

[nk657]

I think everyone realizes that the bucks are top heavy talent wise, the problem is the coach by many reports also has played a major hand in crafting this roster in addition to coaching it to underachieving results! great coaches find ways to maximize the talent available to them, especially if they played a key role in assembling said talent issued roster...

And that is the main disagreement with some people who do not rush to be on the Kidd -hater wagon.

You mentioned the word "talent-talented " 3 times in your post. Under which perspective exactly this team is heavy talented? The whole criticism on Kidd comes from the delusion that Bucks are "top heavy talent wise".

[VooDoo7]

I think my biggest problem with the interview is where Horst says the team is meeting expectations. This goes right along with Kidd saying expectations are too high.

Any other coach/GM around the league would say something along the lines of "we're not quite where we'd like to be right now". Instead, we have a front office with low **** expectations.

[VooDoo7]

I think everyone realizes that the bucks are top heavy talent wise, the problem is the coach by many reports also has played a major hand in crafting this roster in addition to coaching it to underachieving results! great coaches find ways to maximize the talent available to them, especially if they played a key role in assembling said talent issued roster...

And that is the main disagreement with some people who do not rush to be on the Kidd -hater wagon.

You mentioned the word "talent-talented " 3 times in your post. Under which perspective exactly this team is heavy talented? The whole criticism on Kidd comes from the delusion that Bucks are "top heavy talent wise".

The offense we run, as well as the defensive scheme, doesn't help anybody. With the talent that's on the team, we could be much better if this were rectified. But no. Kidd is too damn stupid to realize this.

[Taco John]

Radio interview or not, it's not asking too much for the GM to be honest and candid. He could and should say things like...

"We are no doubt reaching a point where a corner has to be turned. We can't use youth as an excuse forever. It falls on everyone in our organization to get this team to start taking more steps forward than backward." This lets fans know they have the urgency to be better without pointing fingers.

And when asked if he has the ability to fire the head coach, he should be able to say...

"Yes, I have the authority to make that decision." or "I can initiate that process but I am not alone in making that decision." Either could be followed with a comment that he is not motivated to make a change at this time so as not to stir up added speculation.

This isn't asking too much and it isn't that difficult. Answers like these also have the bonus effect of giving off the appearance of competence and awareness.

[HKPackFan]

I didn't hear the interview, but when a GM starts going heavy into defending the coach, isn't that often the kiss if death?

[nk657]

I think everyone realizes that the bucks are top heavy talent wise, the problem is the coach by many reports also has played a major hand in crafting this roster in addition to coaching it to underachieving results! great coaches find ways to maximize the talent available to them, especially if they played a key role in assembling said talent issued roster...

And that is the main disagreement with some people who do not rush to be on the Kidd -hater wagon.

You mentioned the word "talent-talented " 3 times in your post. Under which perspective exactly this team is heavy talented? The whole criticism on Kidd comes from the delusion that Bucks are "top heavy talent wise".

The offense we run, as well as the defensive scheme, doesn't help anybody. With the talent that's on the team, we could be much better if this were rectified. But no. Kidd is too damn stupid to realize this.

Kidd certainly proved his defensive skills in the first year. Same old same old but the blame is on J.Hammond and Horst who did not keep Pachulia. The collapse started from that trade.There is no credible post- defender in the team and neither Giannis himself can effectively defend the rim therefore there must be sacrifices on the expense of some open shooting.

Every coach would do the same. Bucks are already 7th best in points in the paint. That is the maximum for the Bucks. Since day one Bucks needed shooters, shooters , shooters ,better guards, better guards , better guards,. better pgs , better pgs , better pgs. a center, a center a center and mainly all star shooting. And ever year there is the same discussion and the same criticism of course. I am not saying Kidd is the greatest coach, but he is decent enough for this roster.

[bucksfansince88]

Purgatory at its finest

[LittleRooster]

I feel like we’re at a crossroads here. I think something similar needs to be done as it was with the billboard 4-5 Years ago.

We have a transcendent talent, and we’re messing up our chance to win with him.

We need the bucks brass to realize how important having competent people making decisions is, without interfering with them.

With the new arena coming, and all the positivity that comes along with it, I feel we don’t have much time to possibly influence this


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I realize PP said wait until after the trade deadline but we're running out of time. Maybe waiting is better so they won't make any more poor decisions based on another billboard.

All I know is that arena is coming and I see next year, and possibly the year after, as a potential "honeymoon" the owners would enjoy. They need to get this right because we have a talent like Giannis. Hell, they need to get this right even if we didn't, but the fact that we do, and we know how difficult it is to get said player, makes this dysfunction all the more frustrating and imperative to change.

[Pachinko_]

I get a very strong vibe this whole organisation is very happy with being average.

Giannis looks quite happy too.

[paulpressey25]

Since day one Bucks needed shooters, shooters , shooters ,better guards, better guards , better guards,. better pgs , better pgs , better pgs.....

"Guys...I WANT Michael Carter Williams."

[xTitan]

Horst has no power at all, he's a coffee runner, Kidd pulls all the strings and that is why the roster looks like it does.

[Jez2983]

And that is the main disagreement with some people who do not rush to be on the Kidd -hater wagon.

You mentioned the word "talent-talented " 3 times in your post. Under which perspective exactly this team is heavy talented? The whole criticism on Kidd comes from the delusion that Bucks are "top heavy talent wise".

The offense we run, as well as the defensive scheme, doesn't help anybody. With the talent that's on the team, we could be much better if this were rectified. But no. Kidd is too damn stupid to realize this.

Kidd certainly proved his defensive skills in the first year. Same old same old but the blame is on J.Hammond and Horst who did not keep Pachulia. The collapse started from that trade.There is no credible post- defender in the team and neither Giannis himself can effectively defend the rim therefore there must be sacrifices on the expense of some open shooting.

Every coach would do the same. Bucks are already 7th best in points in the paint. That is the maximum for the Bucks. Since day one Bucks needed shooters, shooters , shooters ,better guards, better guards , better guards,. better pgs , better pgs , better pgs. a center, a center a center and mainly all star shooting. And ever year there is the same discussion and the same criticism of course. I am not saying Kidd is the greatest coach, but he is decent enough for this roster.

So why do we never run plays for Snell? Why does Middleton play inside the arc so much taking ISO's? Why did Telly virtually never play with Giannis last season when he would have been ideal to fill the 'shooter' role? Why is Thon running pick n rolls, and why did Kidd instruct him to take threes? (As Thon himself said)

As for talent, obviously we were out-talented by the Miami Heat the other night. Or maybe it was because we have a collection of craptastic first-rounders? Finally, to blame Horst for Zaza trade... he was probably actually the boot-shiner then...

[Pachinko_]

Horst probably has just enough authority to fire his secretary but no more.

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[Jez2983]

Horst probably has just enough authority to fire his secretary but no more.

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Does he choose the stationary in his own office?

[paulpressey25]

Horst probably has just enough authority to fire his secretary but no more.

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Does he choose the stationary in his own office?

Vice President for Strategy & Operations handles that.

[Aaron It Out]

Since day one Bucks needed shooters, shooters , shooters ,better guards, better guards , better guards,. better pgs , better pgs , better pgs.....

"Guys...I WANT Michael Carter Williams."

Same with Greivus Vasquez. Can't imagine a worse possible trade target with 2 draft picks.

Talk about poetic justice. When it looked like we had the upper hand against Toronto, they make an adjustment to their starting lineup by starting Norman Powell - selected with the 2nd round draft pick we traded for Vasquez - and Kidd was unable to make any adjustments to counter. THEN they draft OG Anunoby with the 23rd pick they acquired from us, who is younger and already miles ahead of DJ Wilson (another guy who is allegedly a "Kidd" pick).

Vasquez
MCW
Vaughn
Wilson
Teletovic
Delevadova
Copeland
Liggins
GPII

All guys Kidd had a major influence in bringing to the team. Guys who eat up salary and take up roster spots directly leading the roster to be "top heavy". To say it isn't top heavy is crazy, and to say it isn't Kidd's fault is laughable. I even gave him the benefit of leaving off guys like Terry, Novak, and Kenyon Martin who may have brought some positive veteran experience to the team. But overal it's sick. Just disgusting.

This is all coming from someone who was admittedly a Kidd apologist until maybe sometime last season. I got into it with posters here. But the lengths some posters here are going to defend Kidd at this point just screams like they're either related to him, or coming from within the organization.