KIDD FIRED - Hughes/Grgurich also fired - Vin Baker Hired

econniption · Post #1081 » by **econniption** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:32 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Kidd has $15 million reasons to sit back, stay quiet and play some golf. But if he can't do that, it will speak to precisely why he had to go.

It would be awesome if he had some kind of non-disclosure agreement which indicated that if he disparaged the Bucks organization in any way after termination, he would have to forfeit some or all of his remaining severance pay.

Treebeard · Post #1082 » by **Treebeard** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:37 pm

econniption wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:Kidd has $15 million reasons to sit back, stay quiet and play some golf. But if he can't do that, it will speak to precisely why he had to go.

It would be awesome if he had some kind of non-disclosure agreement which indicated that if he disparaged the Bucks organization in any way after termination, he would have to forfeit some or all of his remaining severance pay.

It's a small universe for NBA coaching jobs. With his modest resume, Kidd would be wise not to set all of the bridges on fire....

SkilesTheLimit · Post #1083 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:38 pm

econniption wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:Kidd has $15 million reasons to sit back, stay quiet and play some golf. But if he can't do that, it will speak to precisely why he had to go.

It would be awesome if he had some kind of non-disclosure agreement which indicated that if he disparaged the Bucks organization in any way after termination, he would have to forfeit some or all of his remaining severance pay.

We all know he won't be able to keep his big mouth shut.

Post #1084 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:39 pm

sidney lanier wrote:
mke_design wrote:
Kidd told people to “f*** off”. As a professional who is also competitive, burning the bridge when you have no other option to get across to the other side is silly. Yes there were hyper aggressive attitudes in this situation in regards the lobbying of his being canned, but I am unsure about your conjecture of me wanting kidd to “f*** off”. His recklessness, or lack of attention resulted in his downfall. I would say a good amount of people looked at this from an objective point of view.

I agree with that. What I'm talking about is the injection of rancor into the discussion and the likelihood that future discussions here will generally be less rancorous with the Kidd issue behind us.

You've been posting here too long to believe this. As long as this team is flailing, there will be a target that generates rancor. Last year, it was Jabari. This year, it has been Middleton. Jabari's return may swing the anger back towards his thread, especially as RFA approaches.

Iheartfootball · Post #1085 » by **Iheartfootball** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:40 pm

Matches Malone · Post #1086 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:45 pm

sidney lanier wrote:
mke_design wrote:
Kidd told people to “f*** off”. As a professional who is also competitive, burning the bridge when you have no other option to get across to the other side is silly. Yes there were hyper aggressive attitudes in this situation in regards the lobbying of his being canned, but I am unsure about your conjecture of me wanting kidd to “f*** off”. His recklessness, or lack of attention resulted in his downfall. I would say a good amount of people looked at this from an objective point of view.

I agree with that. What I'm talking about is the injection of rancor into the discussion and the likelihood that future discussions here will generally be less rancorous with the Kidd issue behind us.

Hey, you leave the Rancor's out of this!

mke_design · Post #1087 » by **mke_design** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:47 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
sidney lanier wrote:
mke_design wrote:
Kidd told people to “f*** off”. As a professional who is also competitive, burning the bridge when you have no other option to get across to the other side is silly. Yes there were hyper aggressive attitudes in this situation in regards the lobbying of his being canned, but I am unsure about your conjecture of me wanting kidd to “f*** off”. His recklessness, or lack of attention resulted in his downfall. I would say a good amount of people looked at this from an objective point of view.

I agree with that. What I'm talking about is the injection of rancor into the discussion and the likelihood that future discussions here will generally be less rancorous with the Kidd issue behind us.

Hey, you leave the Rancor's out of this!

I mean I would really like a new raconteurs album...

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Ron Swanson · Post #1088 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:48 pm

He can rip the organization however he wants for all I care. No one's gonna believe him. No one's gonna care.

SirChurros · Post #1089 » by **SirChurros** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:57 pm

What has he said? What did I miss?

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1090 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:00 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:What has he said? What did I miss?

If he said anything outrageous then I missed it. This is the only thing I've heard from Kidd so far.

Read on Twitter

DingleJerry · Post #1091 » by **DingleJerry** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:02 pm

I think people are referring to the leaked convo about Giannis not wanting him out, which according to Shelburne came direct from Kidd.

Post #1092 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:10 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:What has he said? What did I miss?

If he said anything outrageous then I missed it. This is the only thing I've heard from Kidd so far.

Read on Twitter

He leaked his convo with Giannis. Did you miss that whole thing?

Licensed to Il · Post #1093 » by **Licensed to Il** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:26 pm

Over time, Giannis is going to realize that Kidd leaked that conversation in an exploitative way. It made Kidd look better than he deserved, and Giannis look like a naive little kid still learning his way around the NBA. It was a huge mistake by Kidd, to potentially alienate his biggest supporter. There has been a lot in the press/twitter/etc from guys on the beat and in the building not to believe everything that comes out about the players loving him. I perceive that Giannis knows enough about basketball to realize that Jason was an alpha personality type with a great playing career and a ton of insight who at the same time was untrustworthy, self seeking, and far behind most head coaches in overall coaching acumen. I think many here still underestimate what Kidd knows about basketball, as far as individual technique and taking care of your body, skill development, etc. The man was an all time great point guard. The fair criticism is that his in game adjustments, rotations, and coaching chops (different than point guard instincts) were sub par for the highest level of the game. No one will convince me that Giannis didn't know that. As far as what he is supposed to say or do when Kidd got fired... its a difficult position to be in. He kind of said nothing, which is the right response. If he is too for or against it, he just gave the bloggers and talking heads ammo to criticize him.

Needless to say, I'm not worried Giannis is going to be upset about this 12 months from now. Or that he is too bent out of shape about it right now.

bigkurty · Post #1094 » by **bigkurty** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:28 pm

One thing to remember in all this was that it wasn't just a few of the players who didn't like working with him. There were a whole bunch of people in the FO who didn't like him too.

Hell the whole analytics team was basically ignored by the doofus.
Seth: "Hey Jason, we need to limit those corner 3's more."
Kidd: Shut up you nerd
Mike: "Jason, its statistically better if Thon shoots the three."
Kidd: Shut up you nerd

AntetokounmBros · Post #1095 » by **AntetokounmBros** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:30 pm

Treebeard wrote:
ZeppelinPage wrote:If all that is true and Giannis is seriously defending him over his teammates. **** up.

I don't know... There's different layers to mind-games.

Kramer's "Instant Replay" made reference to the differences Lombardi had with the way he handled different personalities on the great Packer teams of the 60's. Starr was never shredded by Lombardi, but he really ripped into several of the other players, including future Hall of Famer's, when he felt they needed motivation. But that was fifty years ago - times and methods have changed.

Sometimes that method works, often times it's just destructive.

That was my first thought. My dad coached baseball and a quote stuck with me... "Some guys respond well if you yell at them, and it motivates them. Others respond to encouragement and will get angry if you're aggressive with them."

I could see Giannis being the first type, and Brogdon and Jabari being the second.

Nowak008 · Post #1096 » by **Nowak008** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:33 pm

glenn wrote:
nk657 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:Listening to some fans on the news who are upset and can't imagine why Kidd was fired. It's amazing how clueless and blind fans can be.

How much blind the Bucks fans can be and most certainly are it is something that time will tell very soon I am afraid.

My guess is that they will feel the same way the natives felt when they saw the Conquistadors’ firepower for the first time in their life and they realized they were fighting with wooden sticks and arrows while the Spaniards had the steel swords and the muskets…

Nowak008 · Post #1097 » by **Nowak008** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:34 pm

trwi7 wrote:

Read on Twitter

"Talking trash and not comforting players."

Damn millennials.

Zeezprah · Post #1098 » by **Zeezprah** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:37 pm

So many coaches/managers don’t understand that, you can’t motivate every player in the same way. I was always one who liked being told where I fell short, and I’d go work on it without needing the yelling and repetitive instruction while I was working on it.

Some guys respond better to constant yelling I guess. You have to figure out what drives a person.

FrieAaron · Post #1099 » by **FrieAaron** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:38 pm

bigkurty wrote:One thing to remember in all this was that it wasn't just a few of the players who didn't like working with him. There were a whole bunch of people in the FO who didn't like him too.

Hell the whole analytics team was basically ignored by the doofus.
Seth: "Hey Jason, we need to limit those corner 3's more."
Kidd: Shut up you nerd
Mike: "Jason, its statistically better if Thon shoots the three."
Kidd: Shut up you nerd

Didn't one of the big analytics dudes leave? What was the story with that?

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1100 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:41 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:What has he said? What did I miss?

If he said anything outrageous then I missed it. This is the only thing I've heard from Kidd so far.

Read on Twitter

He leaked his convo with Giannis. Did you miss that whole thing?

I saw that but there was nothing salacious in that conversation. I don't think Kidd has said anything bad about the organization at this time.