OT: Art, Music, Literature, Media, and More! Part 1

Post #1501 » by **canman1971** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:27 pm

truth18 wrote:

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So sad for her family and especially her 3 children. Their album "To the Faithfully Departed" is fantastic.

DarkAzcura · Post #1502 » by **DarkAzcura** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:29 pm

AlCelticFan wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:Saw "The Last Jedi" last night, I thought it was a little underwhelming. Anyone agree or disagree?

Btw, just landed in LAX and saw both Lamelo and Liangelo lol. Both looked as dumb as advertised. They told a fan they were shooting a scene for the YouTube Big Baller show or whatever it is at the airport.

I was initially wowed by the special effects. After time to reflect it really pains me to say, but it was just horrible. The plot makes no sense many times. In fact, the plot isn't even consistent with The Force Awakens. How many plot lines from TFA were totally dropped in the Last Jedi? It's like they aren't even writing a cohesive series of movies.

Where The Lord of the Rings was a 10, woven together like a beautiful tapestry, these new Star Wars movies are a 1 or 2. The plot is just non-sensical.

Can't say I agree. I found TLJ to be right there with Empire and I love that it is finally moving Star Wars in a new direction. I found the character development and plot to be top tier for Star Wars.

Dropping the plot lines from TFA was awesome, imo.

Spoiler:

AlCelticFan · Post #1503 » by **AlCelticFan** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:22 am

DarkAzcura wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:Saw "The Last Jedi" last night, I thought it was a little underwhelming. Anyone agree or disagree?

Btw, just landed in LAX and saw both Lamelo and Liangelo lol. Both looked as dumb as advertised. They told a fan they were shooting a scene for the YouTube Big Baller show or whatever it is at the airport.

I was initially wowed by the special effects. After time to reflect it really pains me to say, but it was just horrible. The plot makes no sense many times. In fact, the plot isn't even consistent with The Force Awakens. How many plot lines from TFA were totally dropped in the Last Jedi? It's like they aren't even writing a cohesive series of movies.

Where The Lord of the Rings was a 10, woven together like a beautiful tapestry, these new Star Wars movies are a 1 or 2. The plot is just non-sensical.

Can't say I agree. I found TLJ to be right there with Empire and I love that it is finally moving Star Wars in a new direction. I found the character development and plot to be top tier for Star Wars.

Dropping the plot lines from TFA was awesome, imo.

Spoiler:
I honestly (personally) couldn't care about who Rey's parents were, and I thought TLJ did a fantastic job explaining why it is meaningless and subverting our expectations from the first movie. When we learned about the Force in the OT, it wasn't supposed to be this power owned be a select few. Heck even in the PT, you saw dozens upon dozens of children learning how to use the Force. By making Rey a "nobody" with no lineage, you are giving the Force back to everyone rather than it being this thing owned by essentially the Skywalkers. They are finally erasing the ridiculous rules and mindset that the Jedi had in the PT and carried on by Yoda, Obi-Wan, and partially Luke.

Dropping Snoke was fine with me too. I'm more interested in Kylo being the main villain currently. He's far more interesting to me. The mystery of Snoke is cool at first, but when you really think about it, his character makes absolutely no sense at all. Where was this dude when Darth Vader and the Emperor were running the Galaxy? It makes no sense at all. It's good they killed him off, because I'm really unsure they could had come up with anything satisfying there. I partially blame JJ for this one. He always comes up with mysteries with no solutions/answers.

EDIT: Also, I absolutely love what they did with Luke's character. Just awesome. Brilliant, really.

SPOILER:

Can't say I agree with _any_ of this. To me it's one of the worst plot lines of any Star Wars movie I've seen. It's supposed to be a trilogy -- clearly the second movie wasn't even written yet and they were writing by the seat of their pants, because it plays like a random mad lib the directors were playing. The story-telling was just mentally challenged. If you're going to tell the audience to expect something in the second movie, then take it away ----- I don't even know why writers would do that. It's certainly not edgy, it's just poor writing.

And for chrisakes, why does Rey know how to do everything for no reason? There isn't even a genetic reason to believe it. She beats Luke in a duel... the dude's been a Jedi for her entire life. Trained under some of the great masters, and this naive, young twig somehow can beat her in a duel. Not edgy, just dumb.

The whole movie's like that. So be forewarned, if that's not your cup of tea, guys.

DarkAzcura · Post #1504 » by **DarkAzcura** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:02 pm

AlCelticFan wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:I was initially wowed by the special effects. After time to reflect it really pains me to say, but it was just horrible. The plot makes no sense many times. In fact, the plot isn't even consistent with The Force Awakens. How many plot lines from TFA were totally dropped in the Last Jedi? It's like they aren't even writing a cohesive series of movies.

Where The Lord of the Rings was a 10, woven together like a beautiful tapestry, these new Star Wars movies are a 1 or 2. The plot is just non-sensical.

Can't say I agree. I found TLJ to be right there with Empire and I love that it is finally moving Star Wars in a new direction. I found the character development and plot to be top tier for Star Wars.

Dropping the plot lines from TFA was awesome, imo.

Spoiler:
I honestly (personally) couldn't care about who Rey's parents were, and I thought TLJ did a fantastic job explaining why it is meaningless and subverting our expectations from the first movie. When we learned about the Force in the OT, it wasn't supposed to be this power owned be a select few. Heck even in the PT, you saw dozens upon dozens of children learning how to use the Force. By making Rey a "nobody" with no lineage, you are giving the Force back to everyone rather than it being this thing owned by essentially the Skywalkers. They are finally erasing the ridiculous rules and mindset that the Jedi had in the PT and carried on by Yoda, Obi-Wan, and partially Luke.

Dropping Snoke was fine with me too. I'm more interested in Kylo being the main villain currently. He's far more interesting to me. The mystery of Snoke is cool at first, but when you really think about it, his character makes absolutely no sense at all. Where was this dude when Darth Vader and the Emperor were running the Galaxy? It makes no sense at all. It's good they killed him off, because I'm really unsure they could had come up with anything satisfying there. I partially blame JJ for this one. He always comes up with mysteries with no solutions/answers.

EDIT: Also, I absolutely love what they did with Luke's character. Just awesome. Brilliant, really.

SPOILER:

Can't say I agree with _any_ of this. To me it's one of the worst plot lines of any Star Wars movie I've seen. It's supposed to be a trilogy -- clearly the second movie wasn't even written yet and they were writing by the seat of their pants, because it plays like a random mad lib the directors were playing. The story-telling was just mentally challenged. If you're going to tell the audience to expect something in the second movie, then take it away ----- I don't even know why writers would do that. It's certainly not edgy, it's just poor writing.

And for chrisakes, why does Rey know how to do everything for no reason? There isn't even a genetic reason to believe it. She beats Luke in a duel... the dude's been a Jedi for her entire life. Trained under some of the great masters, and this naive, young twig somehow can beat her in a duel. Not edgy, just dumb.

The whole movie's like that. So be forewarned, if that's not your cup of tea, guys.

Spoiler:

They didn't not answer the questions. You just didn't like the answers. The story they are trying to tell is that a nobody like Rey can be special. That storyline gets destroyed if Rey's parents were actually people of importance. It was perfect that Rey's parents ended up being scavengers who couldn't care less about her. I think you either don't care for this theme or aren't understanding the theme. If you don't care for it, fair enough, but it's not some kind of incoherent plot point. They purposely built it up to subvert expectations and change the way we think of who is important with regards to the Force.

Your second paragraph kind of proves this out. You want a genetic reason for believing why Rey could be so gifted. The whole point of this movie and series has been to point out that it doesn't matter. Greatness and strength can come from any corner of the world/galaxy. It's a great message and story to tell, imo.

Also I don't remember anyone complaining that Luke was able to demolish Vader in a duel even though Vader was considered the most gifted Force user ever. Even in the OT, the greatest piece of training Yoda gave Luke in Episode 5 (when he went to lift the X wing up) was about simply believing in the Force. There isn't some intensive training regiment that must be learned to level up in the Force. A large part of Luke's issues with the Force in the OT was his lack of belief. Once he truly believed in its power, he was able to stand toe to toe with anyone. Rey's ability in the Force has a lot to do with her nature in simply believing in it with no questions. Luke's weakness in the OT was his doubt in his ability. Rey does not have this weakness. She has other weaknesses.

Rey's weaknesses are more personal and deal with overcoming the idea that no one cared about her as a child. She wants acceptance whether it is Luke or Kylo, but by the end of the movie she learns that the acceptance she yearns for doesn't matter. I thought it was great character development and much more personal than her simply learning the Force, which would had been boring, imo.

The central theme to this movie was everyone learning to deal with their weaknesses as humans and how to move forward and past those weaknesses. Rey and Poe in particular. For Rey, it was accepting that her parents weren't important and that she needs to learn to live and learn on her own rather than search for it in others (Luke or Kylo or even Han from TFA), and for Poe it was learning to lead. This doesn't ignore plot lines from Episode 7. It enhances them if anything, because anything relating to lineages would had been boring to me.

sam_I_am · Post #1505 » by **sam_I_am** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:36 pm

The Last Jedi was better than the prequels but not by much. At least it has the authentic look of the original trilogy. However, it was pretty disappointing. Pretty much wasted Mark Hamel and Luke character.

That said, my daughter loved it and I probably hated it less thean my father hated the original.

Ed Pinkney · Post #1506 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:18 am

DarkAzcura wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:Saw "The Last Jedi" last night, I thought it was a little underwhelming. Anyone agree or disagree?

Btw, just landed in LAX and saw both Lamelo and Liangelo lol. Both looked as dumb as advertised. They told a fan they were shooting a scene for the YouTube Big Baller show or whatever it is at the airport.

I was initially wowed by the special effects. After time to reflect it really pains me to say, but it was just horrible. The plot makes no sense many times. In fact, the plot isn't even consistent with The Force Awakens. How many plot lines from TFA were totally dropped in the Last Jedi? It's like they aren't even writing a cohesive series of movies.

Where The Lord of the Rings was a 10, woven together like a beautiful tapestry, these new Star Wars movies are a 1 or 2. The plot is just non-sensical.

Can't say I agree. I found TLJ to be right there with Empire and I love that it is finally moving Star Wars in a new direction. I found the character development and plot to be top tier for Star Wars.

Dropping the plot lines from TFA was awesome, imo.

Spoiler:
I honestly (personally) couldn't care about who Rey's parents were, and I thought TLJ did a fantastic job explaining why it is meaningless and subverting our expectations from the first movie. When we learned about the Force in the OT, it wasn't supposed to be this power owned be a select few. Heck even in the PT, you saw dozens upon dozens of children learning how to use the Force. By making Rey a "nobody" with no lineage, you are giving the Force back to everyone rather than it being this thing owned by essentially the Skywalkers. They are finally erasing the ridiculous rules and mindset that the Jedi had in the PT and carried on by Yoda, Obi-Wan, and partially Luke.

Dropping Snoke was fine with me too. I'm more interested in Kylo being the main villain currently. He's far more interesting to me. The mystery of Snoke is cool at first, but when you really think about it, his character makes absolutely no sense at all. Where was this dude when Darth Vader and the Emperor were running the Galaxy? It makes no sense at all. It's good they killed him off, because I'm really unsure they could had come up with anything satisfying there. I partially blame JJ for this one. He always comes up with mysteries with no solutions/answers.

EDIT: Also, I absolutely love what they did with Luke's character. Just awesome. Brilliant, really.

Got to agree with you here, DarkAzcura. I watched it for a second time the other night and while I wouldn't say I absolutely loved it, I did thoroughly enjoy it. And while there are some issues with the plot, they weren't big enough of a problem to effect my enjoyment. I am also glad to see Johnson take the plot and feel in a different direction from previous Star Wars movies and visually it was amazing. And I don't care about Snoke and Rey's heritage much either.

Be interesting to see how Abrams approaches Episode 9.

DarkAzcura · Post #1507 » by **DarkAzcura** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:41 pm

sam_I_am wrote:The Last Jedi was better than the prequels but not by much. At least it has the authentic look of the original trilogy. However, it was pretty disappointing. Pretty much wasted Mark Hamel and Luke character.

That said, my daughter loved it and I probably hated it less thean my father hated the original.

Episodes 1 and 2 are some of the worst movies I have ever seen, heh. For me, episode 8 is magnitudes better, and on similar levels as ESB.

Ed Pinkney wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:I was initially wowed by the special effects. After time to reflect it really pains me to say, but it was just horrible. The plot makes no sense many times. In fact, the plot isn't even consistent with The Force Awakens. How many plot lines from TFA were totally dropped in the Last Jedi? It's like they aren't even writing a cohesive series of movies.

Where The Lord of the Rings was a 10, woven together like a beautiful tapestry, these new Star Wars movies are a 1 or 2. The plot is just non-sensical.

Can't say I agree. I found TLJ to be right there with Empire and I love that it is finally moving Star Wars in a new direction. I found the character development and plot to be top tier for Star Wars.

Dropping the plot lines from TFA was awesome, imo.

Spoiler:
I honestly (personally) couldn't care about who Rey's parents were, and I thought TLJ did a fantastic job explaining why it is meaningless and subverting our expectations from the first movie. When we learned about the Force in the OT, it wasn't supposed to be this power owned be a select few. Heck even in the PT, you saw dozens upon dozens of children learning how to use the Force. By making Rey a "nobody" with no lineage, you are giving the Force back to everyone rather than it being this thing owned by essentially the Skywalkers. They are finally erasing the ridiculous rules and mindset that the Jedi had in the PT and carried on by Yoda, Obi-Wan, and partially Luke.

Dropping Snoke was fine with me too. I'm more interested in Kylo being the main villain currently. He's far more interesting to me. The mystery of Snoke is cool at first, but when you really think about it, his character makes absolutely no sense at all. Where was this dude when Darth Vader and the Emperor were running the Galaxy? It makes no sense at all. It's good they killed him off, because I'm really unsure they could had come up with anything satisfying there. I partially blame JJ for this one. He always comes up with mysteries with no solutions/answers.

EDIT: Also, I absolutely love what they did with Luke's character. Just awesome. Brilliant, really.

Got to agree with you here, DarkAzcura. I watched it for a second time the other night and while I wouldn't say I absolutely loved it, I did thoroughly enjoy it. And while there are some issues with the plot, they weren't big enough of a problem to effect my enjoyment. I am also glad to see Johnson take the plot and feel in a different direction from previous Star Wars movies and visually it was amazing. And I don't care about Snoke and Rey's heritage much either.

Be interesting to see how Abrams approaches Episode 9.

Hopefully he builds on what Johnson put forward! Ignore the haters! Episode 8 was incredibly critically acclaimed. The fan base will get over the 'changes' eventually.

Ed Pinkney · Post #1508 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:23 am

DarkAzcura wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:The Last Jedi was better than the prequels but not by much. At least it has the authentic look of the original trilogy. However, it was pretty disappointing. Pretty much wasted Mark Hamel and Luke character.

That said, my daughter loved it and I probably hated it less thean my father hated the original.

Episodes 1 and 2 are some of the worst movies I have ever seen, heh. For me, episode 8 is magnitudes better, and on similar levels as ESB.

Ed Pinkney wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
Can't say I agree. I found TLJ to be right there with Empire and I love that it is finally moving Star Wars in a new direction. I found the character development and plot to be top tier for Star Wars.

Dropping the plot lines from TFA was awesome, imo.

Spoiler:
I honestly (personally) couldn't care about who Rey's parents were, and I thought TLJ did a fantastic job explaining why it is meaningless and subverting our expectations from the first movie. When we learned about the Force in the OT, it wasn't supposed to be this power owned be a select few. Heck even in the PT, you saw dozens upon dozens of children learning how to use the Force. By making Rey a "nobody" with no lineage, you are giving the Force back to everyone rather than it being this thing owned by essentially the Skywalkers. They are finally erasing the ridiculous rules and mindset that the Jedi had in the PT and carried on by Yoda, Obi-Wan, and partially Luke.

Dropping Snoke was fine with me too. I'm more interested in Kylo being the main villain currently. He's far more interesting to me. The mystery of Snoke is cool at first, but when you really think about it, his character makes absolutely no sense at all. Where was this dude when Darth Vader and the Emperor were running the Galaxy? It makes no sense at all. It's good they killed him off, because I'm really unsure they could had come up with anything satisfying there. I partially blame JJ for this one. He always comes up with mysteries with no solutions/answers.

EDIT: Also, I absolutely love what they did with Luke's character. Just awesome. Brilliant, really.

Got to agree with you here, DarkAzcura. I watched it for a second time the other night and while I wouldn't say I absolutely loved it, I did thoroughly enjoy it. And while there are some issues with the plot, they weren't big enough of a problem to effect my enjoyment. I am also glad to see Johnson take the plot and feel in a different direction from previous Star Wars movies and visually it was amazing. And I don't care about Snoke and Rey's heritage much either.

Be interesting to see how Abrams approaches Episode 9.

Hopefully he builds on what Johnson put forward! Ignore the haters! Episode 8 was incredibly critically acclaimed. The fan base will get over the 'changes' eventually.

I have no idea who this guy is, but I saw a link to these tweets a few weeks ago and had similar feelings when I heard/read people being overly critical or complaining about the story/plot etc. Some of them made me smile, most of them hit pretty true.

Read on Twitter

DarkAzcura · Post #1509 » by **DarkAzcura** » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 pm

Ed Pinkney wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:The Last Jedi was better than the prequels but not by much. At least it has the authentic look of the original trilogy. However, it was pretty disappointing. Pretty much wasted Mark Hamel and Luke character.

That said, my daughter loved it and I probably hated it less thean my father hated the original.

Episodes 1 and 2 are some of the worst movies I have ever seen, heh. For me, episode 8 is magnitudes better, and on similar levels as ESB.

Ed Pinkney wrote:

Got to agree with you here, DarkAzcura. I watched it for a second time the other night and while I wouldn't say I absolutely loved it, I did thoroughly enjoy it. And while there are some issues with the plot, they weren't big enough of a problem to effect my enjoyment. I am also glad to see Johnson take the plot and feel in a different direction from previous Star Wars movies and visually it was amazing. And I don't care about Snoke and Rey's heritage much either.

Be interesting to see how Abrams approaches Episode 9.

Hopefully he builds on what Johnson put forward! Ignore the haters! Episode 8 was incredibly critically acclaimed. The fan base will get over the 'changes' eventually.

I have no idea who this guy is, but I saw a link to these tweets a few weeks ago and had similar feelings when I heard/read people being overly critical or complaining about the story/plot etc. Some of them made me smile, most of them hit pretty true.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Haha yes. I don't really care too much if someone didn't enjoy TLJ. Different tastes and all, but I can't get with those who think it is a prequel level movie. Those movies were trash. I honestly think I could had made more coherent movies, and I don't consider myself creative whatsoever. I felt like I was watching video games with those movies.

Post #1510 » by **Shak_Celts** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:07 am

Okay this is pretty dumb and out there but I was just watching "Some Kind of Wonderful" (1987) on Showtime (they have played it a lot over the last few weeks) and I just noticed something I thought was crazy, damn near all the main characters have a dimple chin. I'm thinking the casting director has a fetish or something because I believe you gotta be LOOKING for that in people in order to have that many of your characters to have a cleft chin. I don't know how common it is (I have one) but no way it's by chance that there are like 6 main characters with one. It's stupid but I had to tell someone lmao!!!

DoubleHappiness · Post #1511 » by **DoubleHappiness** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:51 am

TIL Dana Barros made a rap track in 1994

Watch on YouTube

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1512 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:17 am

Shak_Celts wrote:Okay this is pretty dumb and out there but I was just watching "Some Kind of Wonderful" (1987) on Showtime (they have played it a lot over the last few weeks) and I just noticed something I thought was crazy, damn near all the main characters have a dimple chin. I'm thinking the casting director has a fetish or something because I believe you gotta be LOOKING for that in people in order to have that many of your characters to have a cleft chin. I don't know how common it is (I have one) but no way it's by chance that there are like 6 main characters with one. It's stupid but I had to tell someone lmao!!!

Can't unsee it.

truth18 · Post #1513 » by **truth18** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:07 pm

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jmr07019 · Post #1514 » by **jmr07019** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:50 pm

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love both these bands. Funk >>>

Marvel · Post #1515 » by **Marvel** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:37 am

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jmr07019 · Post #1516 » by **jmr07019** » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:04 pm

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This guy makes great music. You can check out a bunch more of his music, free of charge, here

https://soundcloud.com/anomaliebeats

AlCelticFan · Post #1517 » by **AlCelticFan** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 3:22 am

DoubleHappiness wrote:TIL Dana Barros made a rap track in 1994

Watch on YouTube

Not bad honestly.

Post #1518 » by **K For Three** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 6:28 am

A few of us were chatting music tonight in the game thread, I got on the metal stuff since my sister always was into guitar and a metal head and it rubbed off on me too. I am not a total hard music girl 100% but I dive into it from time to time as a guilty pleasure.

I could not think of the name of this song earlier with brain fog, but this song.......omg this song..........this song was always one of my favorites.

Watch on YouTube

Post #1519 » by **K For Three** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 8:26 am

Metal night almost over, last one. Another Iron Maiden, this one a cover of the Scorpions. And it is wicked.

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Ed Pinkney · Post #1520 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Sat Feb 3, 2018 9:37 am

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The Trooper was always my favourite Maiden track.