Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

[Qwigglez]

Assuming the Celtics remain hopeful on Anthony Davis, I would offer Jackson, Len, Chandler, both Miami picks, Bucks pick, and our 2019 1st unprotected for Kawhi. Len idolized Duncan, so perhaps he can actually get some mentorship from the big fella and Pop can probably do some voodoo magic and turn Len into a 16/12/2.5 kind of player. Jackson's comparison has always been Kawhi, so maybe Pop also turns him into Kawhi 2.0. Chandler and LMA dream may still come true. The Spurs are currently 3rd in the West and this is mostly without Kawhi so they hardly need him for the regular season.

[jredsaz]

The one positive about the Celtics going big for Kawhi is that their assets are finally exhausted for the most part.

[jredsaz]

Assuming the Celtics remain hopeful on Anthony Davis, I would offer Jackson, Len, Chandler, both Miami picks, Bucks pick, and our 2019 1st unprotected for Kawhi. Len idolized Duncan, so perhaps he can actually get some mentorship from the big fella and Pop can probably do some voodoo magic and turn Len into a 16/12/2.5 kind of player. Jackson's comparison has always been Kawhi, so maybe Pop also turns him into Kawhi 2.0. Chandler and LMA dream may still come true. The Spurs are currently 3rd in the West and this is mostly without Kawhi so they hardly need him for the regular season.

You wouldn't offer the PHX 2018 1st?

I would offer the 2018, both Miami picks, Jackson, and Monroe.

[Qwigglez]

The one positive about the Celtics going big for Kawhi is that their assets are finally exhausted for the most part.

The one negative is now the Spurs have all these assets...

Would prefer the Celtics keep stealing Western Conference talent though.

[Qwigglez]

Assuming the Celtics remain hopeful on Anthony Davis, I would offer Jackson, Len, Chandler, both Miami picks, Bucks pick, and our 2019 1st unprotected for Kawhi. Len idolized Duncan, so perhaps he can actually get some mentorship from the big fella and Pop can probably do some voodoo magic and turn Len into a 16/12/2.5 kind of player. Jackson's comparison has always been Kawhi, so maybe Pop also turns him into Kawhi 2.0. Chandler and LMA dream may still come true. The Spurs are currently 3rd in the West and this is mostly without Kawhi so they hardly need him for the regular season.

You wouldn't offer the PHX 2018 1st?

I would offer the 2018, both Miami picks, Jackson, and Monroe.

As soon as I ever mention the Phoenix 2018 1st I immediately get ridiculed and everyone says how we are trading too much. Plus, if Kawhi is injured for the rest of the year that pick is looking like a top 6 pick at least, wait for another disgruntled star during the draft (Blake Griffin, Damian Lillard) and we have ourselves a big three.

[jredsaz]

One other thing the Suns may have going for them is the training staff. The issue stems from the injury and how the Spurs organization has dealt with it.

#longshots

[lilfishi22]

Assuming the Celtics remain hopeful on Anthony Davis, I would offer Jackson, Len, Chandler, both Miami picks, Bucks pick, and our 2019 1st unprotected for Kawhi. Len idolized Duncan, so perhaps he can actually get some mentorship from the big fella and Pop can probably do some voodoo magic and turn Len into a 16/12/2.5 kind of player. Jackson's comparison has always been Kawhi, so maybe Pop also turns him into Kawhi 2.0. Chandler and LMA dream may still come true. The Spurs are currently 3rd in the West and this is mostly without Kawhi so they hardly need him for the regular season.

You wouldn't offer the PHX 2018 1st?

I would offer the 2018, both Miami picks, Jackson, and Monroe.

As soon as I ever mention the Phoenix 2018 1st I immediately get ridiculed and everyone says how we are trading too much. Plus, if Kawhi is injured for the rest of the year that pick is looking like a top 6 pick at least, wait for another disgruntled star during the draft (Blake Griffin, Damian Lillard) and we have ourselves a big three.

You might get ridiculed anyway just putting that package together and suggesting it might be close to enough to get someone like Kawhi. Kawhi is an all-NBA player who's probably just hitting his prime, there's just no way you're gonna get him without a young player with star potential and picks going back. By that I mean at least Booker and our 1st as a starting point.

[Qwigglez]

You wouldn't offer the PHX 2018 1st?

I would offer the 2018, both Miami picks, Jackson, and Monroe.

As soon as I ever mention the Phoenix 2018 1st I immediately get ridiculed and everyone says how we are trading too much. Plus, if Kawhi is injured for the rest of the year that pick is looking like a top 6 pick at least, wait for another disgruntled star during the draft (Blake Griffin, Damian Lillard) and we have ourselves a big three.

You might get ridiculed anyway just putting that package together and suggesting it might be close to enough to get someone like Kawhi. Kawhi is an all-NBA player who's probably just hitting his prime, there's just no way you're gonna get him without a young player with star potential and picks going back. By that I mean at least Booker and our 1st as a starting point.

Yeah but at the same time, he will most certainly opt out of his contract after next season anyway, so if he really wants out, wouldn't it be best for the Spurs to trade him sooner rather than later? It's kind of similar to Kyrie wanting out, a 25 year old superstar that netted the Cavs an older pg in IT, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and the Nets pick. The Cavs didn't get a young player with star potential, though they got IT. Josh Jackson is suppose to be the same mold as Kawhi, plus I actually feel like JJ's catch and shoot 3 is coming along nicely. If push came to shove, then I would certainly give our 2018 pick instead, but obviously the first thing you want to do is bargain and get the best deal.

[lilfishi22]

As soon as I ever mention the Phoenix 2018 1st I immediately get ridiculed and everyone says how we are trading too much. Plus, if Kawhi is injured for the rest of the year that pick is looking like a top 6 pick at least, wait for another disgruntled star during the draft (Blake Griffin, Damian Lillard) and we have ourselves a big three.

You might get ridiculed anyway just putting that package together and suggesting it might be close to enough to get someone like Kawhi. Kawhi is an all-NBA player who's probably just hitting his prime, there's just no way you're gonna get him without a young player with star potential and picks going back. By that I mean at least Booker and our 1st as a starting point.

Yeah but at the same time, he will most certainly opt out of his contract after next season anyway, so if he really wants out, wouldn't it be best for the Spurs to trade him sooner rather than later? It's kind of similar to Kyrie wanting out, a 25 year old superstar that netted the Cavs an older pg in IT, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and the Nets pick. The Cavs didn't get a young player with star potential, though they got IT. Josh Jackson is suppose to be the same mold as Kawhi, plus I actually feel like JJ's catch and shoot 3 is coming along nicely. If push came to shove, then I would certainly give our 2018 pick instead, but obviously the first thing you want to do is bargain and get the best deal.

If we look at the IT/Kyrie trade, I see it as Cleveland making a lateral move (PG for PG) while getting some wing help (Crowder) and what was atm a likely top 5 pick for a guy that wanted out. They got what they wanted. They didn't/couldn't get a star at another position which, to their benefit meant they didn't need to somehow backfill the star level PG they lost.

With the Spurs, when Duncan retired they slotted LMA in that role hoping to extend Pop's system. Teams with an established, winning system don't want major changes. And if they are going to trade their all-NBA wing, I'd imagine they would target a star level wing in return. Booker is the only guy who could match Kawhi's scoring. I don't think they would be interested in JJ because he's still too young and too raw. I'd imagine they would want to keep the train rolling rather than develop and see what they have in JJ. Booker is at the age imo where he's ready to learn from the best and get slotted into an offense where he can be way more efficient and on defense, be hidden by their defensive scheme.

If we can talk to the Spurs in the first instance without putting Booker on the table, that's a great start. But I'd assume the talks would start with Booker

[jredsaz]

You wouldn't offer the PHX 2018 1st?

I would offer the 2018, both Miami picks, Jackson, and Monroe.

As soon as I ever mention the Phoenix 2018 1st I immediately get ridiculed and everyone says how we are trading too much. Plus, if Kawhi is injured for the rest of the year that pick is looking like a top 6 pick at least, wait for another disgruntled star during the draft (Blake Griffin, Damian Lillard) and we have ourselves a big three.

You might get ridiculed anyway just putting that package together and suggesting it might be close to enough to get someone like Kawhi. Kawhi is an all-NBA player who's probably just hitting his prime, there's just no way you're gonna get him without a young player with star potential and picks going back. By that I mean at least Booker and our 1st as a starting point.

No one gives up their best player to get Leonard. That's one of the the best deal combinations the Suns would offer and it's not a bad one.

[Mulhollanddrive]

What is the most assets ever included in a trade?

The biggest I can remember is the original Garnett trade of Top 10 Pick, Late 1st, Young Star, Young Starter, 2 Young Prospects.

That'd be the equivilent of Phoenix 2018, Miami 2018, TJ Warren, Marquese Chriss, Josh Jackson, Alex Len.

[lilfishi22]

As soon as I ever mention the Phoenix 2018 1st I immediately get ridiculed and everyone says how we are trading too much. Plus, if Kawhi is injured for the rest of the year that pick is looking like a top 6 pick at least, wait for another disgruntled star during the draft (Blake Griffin, Damian Lillard) and we have ourselves a big three.

You might get ridiculed anyway just putting that package together and suggesting it might be close to enough to get someone like Kawhi. Kawhi is an all-NBA player who's probably just hitting his prime, there's just no way you're gonna get him without a young player with star potential and picks going back. By that I mean at least Booker and our 1st as a starting point.

No one gives up their best player to get Leonard. That's one of the the best deal combinations the Suns would offer and it's not a bad one.

Depends who your best player is. If your best player is Kemba Walker, you 100% do it. If your best player is Zach Lavine you 100% do it. If your best player is not a top 20 player, you probably do it. Booker isn't a top 20 player.

[Qwigglez]

I'm trading anyone but Booker and Bender. We can give up JJ, Chriss, 2 of our unprotected picks, both Miami picks, Bucks pick. I'd literally offer them everything (besides Book/Bender). I don't think Spurs are opposed to young developing players since they got Dejounte Murray (21 years old) already starting and Kyle Anderson finally getting some decent minutes. I think if we included Chriss it's an offer that is worth considering, maybe even one Murray advocates for since they played together in college. Before the Bucks game I remember seeing a stat about JJ along the lines of him averaging 15 points, 6 rebounds on 47/39/80 split for January. If there is any coach out there that can get him to reach his ceiling in the NBA as fast as possible, it's Popovich.

I think the Celtics could beat our trade package, but other than them, I'm not sure anyone else can.

Booker-Kawhi is Jordan-Pippen esque in the modern day era. The NBA needs this to happen!

[Mulhollanddrive]

In reality I dont see Popovich ever trading Leonard.

[jredsaz]

You might get ridiculed anyway just putting that package together and suggesting it might be close to enough to get someone like Kawhi. Kawhi is an all-NBA player who's probably just hitting his prime, there's just no way you're gonna get him without a young player with star potential and picks going back. By that I mean at least Booker and our 1st as a starting point.

No one gives up their best player to get Leonard. That's one of the the best deal combinations the Suns would offer and it's not a bad one.

Depends who your best player is. If your best player is Kemba Walker, you 100% do it. If your best player is Zach Lavine you 100% do it. If your best player is not a top 20 player, you probably do it. Booker isn't a top 20 player.

Fair enough but Booker is a top 30 player and only 21. Walker and Lavine don't fit that bill. Other than maybe Ben Simmons I'm not sure who else does. So you're right, there are some teams that would trade their best player for Leonard however, neither of those teams have an asset to include as valuable as Booker.

[lilfishi22]

I'm trading anyone but Booker and Bender. We can give up JJ, Chriss, 2 of our unprotected picks, both Miami picks, Bucks pick. I'd literally offer them everything (besides Book/Bender). I don't think Spurs are opposed to young developing players since they got Dejounte Murray (21 years old) already starting and Kyle Anderson finally getting some decent minutes. I think if we included Chriss it's an offer that is worth considering, maybe even one Murray advocates for since they played together in college. Before the Bucks game I remember seeing a stat about JJ along the lines of him averaging 15 points, 6 rebounds on 47/39/80 split for January. If there is any coach out there that can get him to reach his ceiling in the NBA as fast as possible, it's Popovich.

I think the Celtics could beat our trade package, but other than them, I'm not sure anyone else can.

Booker-Kawhi is Jordan-Pippen esque in the modern day era. The NBA needs this to happen!

They are their guys though. They drafted those players after doing their due diligence on their talent, potential, teachability and character. I don't know much about these players but they must have passed all those criteria for the Spurs to take them.

Maybe they might want JJ if they think he's passes their tests end due diligence. I would sell the farm (including Bender) for Kawhi if it meant we have Booker/Kawhi .

[lilfishi22]

No one gives up their best player to get Leonard. That's one of the the best deal combinations the Suns would offer and it's not a bad one.

Depends who your best player is. If your best player is Kemba Walker, you 100% do it. If your best player is Zach Lavine you 100% do it. If your best player is not a top 20 player, you probably do it. Booker isn't a top 20 player.

Fair enough but Booker is a top 30 player and only 21. Walker and Lavine don't fit that bill. Other than maybe Ben Simmons I'm not sure who else does. So you're right, there are some teams that would trade their best player for Leonard however, neither of those teams have an asset to include as valuable as Booker.

And that's exactly why Booker will likely be the start of the conversation if there were trade talks with the Spurs. There's only a small number of teams with the assets and right players that the Spurs would want and we could be one of them. Chicago and Charlotte don't fit the bill. I'd say teams with the assets would be us, Celtics, Sixers and maybe Magic?

I feel I need to say this every time since some posters might misconstrue what I'm trying to say but for the record, I wouldn't trade Booker for Kawhi since I'm a Suns fan. But I would be silly to think that statement wouldn't be laughed off the stage if you look at it from an outsider standpoint.

[LukasBMW]

In reality I dont see Popovich ever trading Leonard.

Pop will swallow his pride first. Really, I think he will. Can't let the claw get away.

[lilfishi22]

In reality I dont see Popovich ever trading Leonard.

Pop will swallow his pride first. Really, I think he will. Can't let the claw get away.

If the guy did it for LaMarcus friggin Aldridge, he'll for sure do it for his Golden Child

[thamadkant]

I would trade the farm for Kawhi.

Warren and the picks as center pieces... Jackson may also be offered but depending on quantity of picks.


But the rumor is BS....