Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

WeekapaugGroove · Post #841 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:39 pm

Saberestar wrote:

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Well no **** gambo. Its not like you would ever sit young guys who need the development time and every single vet is a non factor to winning or losing. So of course they won't be shutting guys down.

Saberestar · Post #842 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:43 pm

Since the moment that we traded Bledsoe and we didn't want to get an starting PG we are tanking. Plain and simple.

Saberestar · Post #843 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:46 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

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Well no **** gambo. Its not like you would ever sit young guys who need the development time and every single vet is a non factor to winning or losing. So of course they won't be shutting guys down.

We are talking about McDonough here...so it wouldn't be crazy if we sit Booker or Warren to lose games. So good to hear from Gambo that we are not gonna make that this season.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #844 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:54 pm

Saberestar wrote:Since the moment that we traded Bledsoe and we didn't want to get an starting PG we are tanking. Plain and simple.

Well even a step further the moment this summer that they realized Bledsoe wanted an extension that they did not plan on giving him and hence knew he wanted to be traded yet still only had Ulis and James as their PG's that was some self sabotage right there.

Well then there's the whole employing Earl Watson thing that is also self sabotage and malpractice to think he was an NBA coach.

Post #845 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:16 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Since the moment that we traded Bledsoe and we didn't want to get an starting PG we are tanking. Plain and simple.

Well even a step further the moment this summer that they realized Bledsoe wanted an extension that they did not plan on giving him and hence knew he wanted to be traded yet still only had Ulis and James as their PG's that was some self sabotage right there.

Well then there's the whole employing Earl Watson thing that is also self sabotage and malpractice to think he was an NBA coach.

C'mon, Earl Watson was a coach of a G League team. Well, not a head coach of a G League team, but an assistant. For 1 whole year.

If that doesn't seal the deal on who you should hire, then definitely having some players say "I like the guy" made it a slam dunk.

Post #846 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:20 pm

Saberestar wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

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Well no **** gambo. Its not like you would ever sit young guys who need the development time and every single vet is a non factor to winning or losing. So of course they won't be shutting guys down.

We are talking about McDonough here...so it wouldn't be crazy if we sit Booker or Warren to lose games. So good to hear from Gambo that we are not gonna make that this season.

It would be crazy. I'm not a guy that is worried Booker will leave in 4 years, but if you start sitting him while healthy to lose games, I'd get a little concerned. Plus these guys need all the game experience they can get.

Post #847 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:33 pm

TJ and Booker won't be sat to lose games

WeekapaugGroove · Post #848 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:37 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:TJ and Booker won't be sat to lose games

Nor should they be. Both guys have improved but still have a lot of work to do on their games and need the reps.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #849 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:48 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:TJ and Booker won't be sat to lose games

Nor should they be. Both guys have improved but still have a lot of work to do on their games and need the reps.

We didn't sit guys last year *just* to lose games. We sat those guys because they didn't matter. TJ and Booker don't fall within that category. The point isn't to win or lose per se, it's to win or lose with the players who matter.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #850 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:10 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:TJ and Booker won't be sat to lose games

Nor should they be. Both guys have improved but still have a lot of work to do on their games and need the reps.

We didn't sit guys last year *just* to lose games. We sat those guys because they didn't matter. TJ and Booker don't fall within that category. The point isn't to win or lose per se, it's to win or lose with the players who matter.

100%... They sat Chandler to get a better look at Len and Williams who they had contract decisions to make on that summer. Plus it's debatable whether playing Chandler over those two actually contributes to winning.

Sitting Bledsoe can be looked at a few ways. I really do think some was to try to keep the mileage off his knees; but one really weird aspect of that was they played him heavy minutes in a 4 games in 5 nights right before the shut him down. I never understood that and I guess it was Earl being Earl. They also wanted to get a look at Ulis. But I would say there was an aspect of true tanking in it too.

NTB · Post #851 » by **NTB** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:28 pm

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jredsaz · Post #852 » by **jredsaz** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:39 pm

NTB wrote:

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Wow. That's bad

YouTube · Post #853 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:44 pm

jcsunsfan · Post #854 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:32 am

Kerrsed wrote:

Something for the Suns to remember. Most bad trades in the NBA were win now moves that did not win now or ever. See Danny Ainge and the Nets.

Revived · Post #855 » by **Revived** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:35 am

cosmofizzo wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:TJ and Booker won't be sat to lose games

Nor should they be. Both guys have improved but still have a lot of work to do on their games and need the reps.

We didn't sit guys last year *just* to lose games. We sat those guys because they didn't matter. TJ and Booker don't fall within that category. The point isn't to win or lose per se, it's to win or lose with the players who matter.

Will they sit Chandler so we can improve Monroe’s trade value and also get an extended look at Len before the off season?

Revived · Post #856 » by **Revived** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:42 am

Kerrsed wrote:Im also pretty sure that anyone on the Jazz not named Gobert is for sale.

If this is true I would go hard after Mitchell. I think he will be a top 5 player at his position very soon and is younger and will be better than Jackson imo.

I’d trade Jackson, Warren and 2018 Suns pick for Mitchell.

We aren’t gonna get lucky in the lottery and we will end up with a pick that’s in the #5-#10 range at best and Mitchell is a better NBA player than whoever we can get in that range of this coming draft will be.

Pair Mitchell with Booker and that’s the best under 25 duo in the NBA. We will still have Bender, Chriss and the Heat picks to our disposal as well to acquire or draft a starting PG.

LukasBMW · Post #857 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:20 am

n4th4n4 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

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"The goal is to win games"

"Can't see them making a significant move considering where they are in standings."

So let me get this straight, we are a horrible team (5th worst), but the goal is to win games.....and we expect that to happen by NOT making a significant trade?

It's called tanking without saying you are tanking. It's not that hard to figure out.

This is 100% the right move.

Tanking on purpose pisses off players, creates a toxic culture, and pisses off the league.

But...by refusing to upgrade the roster and forcing our young players to log extended minutes, we essentially ensure we tank while seeing who will shake out.

LukasBMW · Post #858 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:21 am

Revived wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Nor should they be. Both guys have improved but still have a lot of work to do on their games and need the reps.

We didn't sit guys last year *just* to lose games. We sat those guys because they didn't matter. TJ and Booker don't fall within that category. The point isn't to win or lose per se, it's to win or lose with the players who matter.

Will they sit Chandler so we can improve Monroe’s trade value and also get an extended look at Len before the off season?

Monroe will be bought out after the deadline so he can join a contender...if he is not traded.

Cutter · Post #859 » by **Cutter** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:29 am

NTB wrote:

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Doesn't the Rising Stars Challenge feature Rookies vs. Sophomores (USA vs World)?

If thats the case then eligible Suns would be Chriss, Bender, Ulis, Sauce, Josh Jackson (did I miss anybody)? Thats depressing as this is the core group that we hope develops around Booker over the next few years. I know Bender was hurt last year, Chriss came in this year out of shape, Sauce is hurt, Ulis isnt very good and Jackson shows occasionally flashes but is inconsistent.

Devin Booker was selected to play in the Rising Stars game as both a rookie and sophomore in 2016 and 2017. I'm hopeful for our young players to devlop, but I really don't expect much.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #860 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:30 am

If Triano can retain support after losing 5 of 6 by 87 points he's the right coach similar to how Philadelphia knew Brett Brown was despite results.