Jalen Rose "Kawhi wants out of SA"

[Slim Charlez]

Aren't you being semantic though? A sign and trade is an act of free agency, so CP3 did sign with Houston. Dwight Howard flat out signed with them in FA, he was not traded or sign & traded.

Drexler and Barkley demanded trades, so they had a decision in where to go.


STAT signed with NYK in FA, and Carmelo Anthony demanded a trade to go to NYK. When you consider NYK were a lotto team with no great prospects it means that they signed just to play in NYK (eventually signed Tyson Chandler as well).

Steve Nash signed with the Lakers.


And yeah, guys like STAT and Nash ended up becoming heavily injured but those were competitive signings at the time.


Not sure what your standard is for big name if players like STAT and CP3 don't count. Are you saying that if they don't have an MVP they're not a big name?

Everybody knew Nash was washed when the lakers signed him and Stat was signed because the Knicks couldn’t get the guys they originally wanted. He was a huge risk considering he had been coming off knee injuries which is why the Suns were happy to let him walk for the money he got. Melo wanted to be in his hometown which is the same as Drexler. All I’m saying is that the location doesn’t matter. What matters is whether the team is competitive or not, which is why Barkley, Pippen, Paul etc wanted to be in Houston and it’s also why guys like KD and Paul considered the Spurs over the Knicks and lakers. I mean if they would’ve signed wouldn’t they have attracted others likes screwston said? And if you’re going to count guys that we’re already washed like Barkley why not count LMA and Gasol?

Steve Nash was not washed up at all, he lead an awful Suns team to a winning record in the West.


I do count those guys. LaMarcus Alrdige was probably the biggest free agent who was likely to move when the Spurs signed him.

Competitiveness does matter a lot more than location, I agree with that.

That’s all I’m saying. It’s ridiculous to say that nobody wants to play for one of the greatest coaches of all time and would rather go somewhere like the lakers to get **** on by lavar just because Jalen Rose said so and just because it’s LA, a guy who’s never broken any story in his life (no he didn’t break LMA to SA for those that claim that)

[Rust_Cohle]

Rockets have no problem getting superstars, since the 90s they probably got the most: Drexler, Barkley, Pippen, TMac, Dwight, CP

They'll just get another superstar after CP

They got Harden 2 superstars in 5 years. Harden ain't complaning about "lack of attraction" from the other stars like Kawhi is

N if Lakers or Knicks had Kawhi Leonard on their team, you best believe they would be gettin players as well

Great to see all those superstars brought the Rockets so many rings over the past 20 years

Thats a different subject. Spurs got lucky that they drafted their 3 guys (Duncan, Parker, Manu), n didn't need to look to sign any star players. We see now when they "have" to, they got issues with it. Kawhi obviously knows it

They have just as many all stars as Houston does, Chris Paul is the first time you guys have had "multiple superstars" in nearly 5 years (half a decade)

[DROB27]

He should, nobody wants to play there

As opposed to the lakers and Knicks who have free agents lined up wanting to go there right? Or the Rockets who are going to have to give a Supermax to an undersized PG who’s hurt most of the year and already over 30

Rockets have no problem getting superstars, since the 90s they probably got the most: Drexler, Barkley, Pippen, TMac, Dwight, CP

They'll just get another superstar after CP

They got Harden 2 superstars in 5 years. Harden ain't complaning about "lack of attraction" from the other stars like Kawhi is

N if Lakers or Knicks had Kawhi Leonard on their team, you best believe they would be gettin players as well

Damn shame all those greats players on the rockets and only two rings to show for it.

Btw almost all those players were traded for

Edit: I forgot Drexler wasn’t on the 94 rockets .. You guys have literally one title since you guys started adding “ star players “

[Rust_Cohle]

Aren't you being semantic though? A sign and trade is an act of free agency, so CP3 did sign with Houston. Dwight Howard flat out signed with them in FA, he was not traded or sign & traded.

Drexler and Barkley demanded trades, so they had a decision in where to go.


STAT signed with NYK in FA, and Carmelo Anthony demanded a trade to go to NYK. When you consider NYK were a lotto team with no great prospects it means that they signed just to play in NYK (eventually signed Tyson Chandler as well).

Steve Nash signed with the Lakers.


And yeah, guys like STAT and Nash ended up becoming heavily injured but those were competitive signings at the time.


Not sure what your standard is for big name if players like STAT and CP3 don't count. Are you saying that if they don't have an MVP they're not a big name?

Everybody knew Nash was washed when the lakers signed him and Stat was signed because the Knicks couldn’t get the guys they originally wanted. He was a huge risk considering he had been coming off knee injuries which is why the Suns were happy to let him walk for the money he got. Melo wanted to be in his hometown which is the same as Drexler. All I’m saying is that the location doesn’t matter. What matters is whether the team is competitive or not, which is why Barkley, Pippen, Paul etc wanted to be in Houston and it’s also why guys like KD and Paul considered the Spurs over the Knicks and lakers. I mean if they would’ve signed wouldn’t they have attracted others likes screwston said? And if you’re going to count guys that we’re already washed like Barkley why not count LMA and Gasol?

Bro you got Kawhi who's a top 5 player, LMA, one of the greateast coaches of all time (if not the best), winning pedigree, n your biggest signing is Rudy Gay Yea location also matters buddy

Prior to Chris Paul your biggest signing outside of Harden was superstar Eric Gordon. Houston has only had one WCF appearance in the last 15 years, it's not a town people dream of playing in. Chris Paul was a fantastic get, but you're acting all high and mighty over one nice free agency coup and it still won't get the Rockets a title.

[HotTubMike]

Everybody knew Nash was washed when the lakers signed him and Stat was signed because the Knicks couldn’t get the guys they originally wanted. He was a huge risk considering he had been coming off knee injuries which is why the Suns were happy to let him walk for the money he got. Melo wanted to be in his hometown which is the same as Drexler. All I’m saying is that the location doesn’t matter. What matters is whether the team is competitive or not, which is why Barkley, Pippen, Paul etc wanted to be in Houston and it’s also why guys like KD and Paul considered the Spurs over the Knicks and lakers. I mean if they would’ve signed wouldn’t they have attracted others likes screwston said? And if you’re going to count guys that we’re already washed like Barkley why not count LMA and Gasol?

Bro you got Kawhi who's a top 5 player, LMA, one of the greateast coaches of all time (if not the best), winning pedigree, n your biggest signing is Rudy Gay Yea location also matters buddy

Prior to Chris Paul your biggest signing outside of Harden was superstar Eric Gordon. Houston has only had one WCF appearance in the last 15 years, it's not a town people dream of playing in. Chris Paul was a fantastic get, but you're acting all high and mighty over one nice free agency coup and it still won't get the Rockets a title.

Uh D12? Everyone with cap space was trying to sign him... LAL, GSW.. it didn't turn out great but at the time it was a big time FA acquisition.

[Screwston]

Everybody knew Nash was washed when the lakers signed him and Stat was signed because the Knicks couldn’t get the guys they originally wanted. He was a huge risk considering he had been coming off knee injuries which is why the Suns were happy to let him walk for the money he got. Melo wanted to be in his hometown which is the same as Drexler. All I’m saying is that the location doesn’t matter. What matters is whether the team is competitive or not, which is why Barkley, Pippen, Paul etc wanted to be in Houston and it’s also why guys like KD and Paul considered the Spurs over the Knicks and lakers. I mean if they would’ve signed wouldn’t they have attracted others likes screwston said? And if you’re going to count guys that we’re already washed like Barkley why not count LMA and Gasol?

Bro you got Kawhi who's a top 5 player, LMA, one of the greateast coaches of all time (if not the best), winning pedigree, n your biggest signing is Rudy Gay Yea location also matters buddy

Prior to Chris Paul your biggest signing outside of Harden was superstar Eric Gordon. Houston has only had one WCF appearance in the last 15 years, it's not a town people dream of playing in. Chris Paul was a fantastic get, but you're acting all high and mighty over one nice free agency coup and it still won't get the Rockets a title.

What? What about Dwight?

I even forgot Ron Artest, he wasn't a superstar but he was a very good player when Rockets added him with Tmac n Yao. That was a big deal/addition back then

[Rust_Cohle]

Bro you got Kawhi who's a top 5 player, LMA, one of the greateast coaches of all time (if not the best), winning pedigree, n your biggest signing is Rudy Gay Yea location also matters buddy

Prior to Chris Paul your biggest signing outside of Harden was superstar Eric Gordon. Houston has only had one WCF appearance in the last 15 years, it's not a town people dream of playing in. Chris Paul was a fantastic get, but you're acting all high and mighty over one nice free agency coup and it still won't get the Rockets a title.

What? What about Dwight?

I even forgot Ron Artest, he wasn't a superstar but he was a very good player when Rockets added him with Tmac n Yao. That was a big deal/addition back then

And which major free agents did the Spurs try to sign and fail miserably at? Paul was already traded he didn't meet with any teams, and Spurs already had the big 3 + Kawhi so it wasn't like every summer they were taking meetings with Durant and LeBron and being left at the altar.

If anything players over the years would take LESS money to sign with the Spurs because of their pedigree.

[DROB27]

The rockets have also been way more aggressive in free agency. That plays a part as well.

The Spurs have always been elite .. The Rockets have been trying to get there the last 15 years .

[Slim Charlez]

Prior to Chris Paul your biggest signing outside of Harden was superstar Eric Gordon. Houston has only had one WCF appearance in the last 15 years, it's not a town people dream of playing in. Chris Paul was a fantastic get, but you're acting all high and mighty over one nice free agency coup and it still won't get the Rockets a title.

What? What about Dwight?

I even forgot Ron Artest, he wasn't a superstar but he was a very good player when Rockets added him with Tmac n Yao. That was a big deal/addition back then

And which major free agents did the Spurs try to sign and fail miserably at? Paul was already traded he didn't meet with any teams, and Spurs already had the big 3 + Kawhi so it wasn't like every summer they were taking meetings with Durant and LeBron and being left at the altar.

If anything players over the years would take LESS money to sign with the Spurs because of their pedigree.

I thought the same also. Maybe Cp and Durant are the only one you can say rejected them but Durant was unlikely considering Kawhi and LMA play the forward spots and CP was going to eat up a ton of cap without really pushing the team to GSW level anyway considering how many depth would’ve been lost. It’s not like the lakers situation were they’re getting rejected by guys like Monroe year in year out

[Rust_Cohle]

The rockets have also been way more aggressive in free agency. That plays a part as well.

The Spurs have always been elite .. The Rockets have been trying to get there the last 15 years .

Exactly, the Rockets were more aggressive because the status quo for what they wanted to achieve was always crap. Spurs had a bad offseason I don't argue that for one minute, but they are just now entering a phase of needing an additional star. And considering they just came off a solid playoff run prior to Kawhi's injury I think it's incredibly moronic to say "No one wants to play for the Spurs"

[Screwston]

The rockets have also been way more aggressive in free agency. That plays a part as well.

The Spurs have always been elite .. The Rockets have been trying to get there the last 15 years .

Exactly, the Rockets were more aggressive because the status quo for what they wanted to achieve was always crap. Spurs had a bad offseason I don't argue that for one minute, but they are just now entering a phase of needing an additional star. And considering they just came off a solid playoff run prior to Kawhi's injury I think it's incredibly moronic to say "No one wants to play for the Spurs"

Doesn't help how they handled LMA his first two years, he dropped off significantly. This year he's doing well but Kawhi is also hurt

[Slim Charlez]

The rockets have also been way more aggressive in free agency. That plays a part as well.

The Spurs have always been elite .. The Rockets have been trying to get there the last 15 years .

Exactly, the Rockets were more aggressive because the status quo for what they wanted to achieve was always crap. Spurs had a bad offseason I don't argue that for one minute, but they are just now entering a phase of needing an additional star. And considering they just came off a solid playoff run prior to Kawhi's injury I think it's incredibly moronic to say "No one wants to play for the Spurs"

Doesn't help how they handled LMA his first two years, he dropped off significantly. This year he's doing well but Kawhi is also hurt

Imagine how sad it is that “he dropped off significantly” yet the mighty Houston Rockets with all their superstar acquisitions weren’t able to win a game at home without the spurs 2 best performers during those playoffs,let alone the series. Let’s see how well off the Rockets are 2 years from now when CP is still constantly missing games and getting older yet eating up a large portion of the cap. I guarantee this Rockets team won’t win a single title like how it’s built.

[TommyPoints]

Send him to Boston. SA owe us anyway, we should have gotten the pick to draft Duncan.

[Screwston]

Exactly, the Rockets were more aggressive because the status quo for what they wanted to achieve was always crap. Spurs had a bad offseason I don't argue that for one minute, but they are just now entering a phase of needing an additional star. And considering they just came off a solid playoff run prior to Kawhi's injury I think it's incredibly moronic to say "No one wants to play for the Spurs"

Doesn't help how they handled LMA his first two years, he dropped off significantly. This year he's doing well but Kawhi is also hurt

Imagine how sad it is that “he dropped off significantly” yet the mighty Houston Rockets with all their superstar acquisitions weren’t able to win a game at home without the spurs 2 best performers during those playoffs,let alone the series. Let’s see how well off the Rockets are 2 years from now when CP is still constantly missing games and getting older yet eating up a large portion of the cap. I guarantee this Rockets team won’t win a single title like how it’s built.

Well that Rockets team overachieved anyway, they were predicted to fight for the playoff spot, yet against all odds they finished 3rd n won a playoff series. Pretty impressive if you ask me. Lets see Spurs beat this Rocket team without Kawhi.

I guarantee you this Spurs team won't win a title either LOL. Easy to say that with Gsw around, come on dude

[manou]

Send him to Boston. SA owe us anyway, we should have gotten the pick to draft Duncan.

Shall I remind you that you could have drafted tony Parker instead of Joseph Forte at the 01 draft ? Parker even said in an interview that celts had assured him they'd draft if available at #21. Oh well...

[TommyPoints]

Send him to Boston. SA owe us anyway, we should have gotten the pick to draft Duncan.

Shall I remind you that you could have drafted tony Parker instead of Joseph Forte at the 01 draft ? Parker even said in an interview that celts had assured him they'd draft if available at #21. Oh well...

Now you are just making me sad.

[Slim Charlez]

Doesn't help how they handled LMA his first two years, he dropped off significantly. This year he's doing well but Kawhi is also hurt

Imagine how sad it is that “he dropped off significantly” yet the mighty Houston Rockets with all their superstar acquisitions weren’t able to win a game at home without the spurs 2 best performers during those playoffs,let alone the series. Let’s see how well off the Rockets are 2 years from now when CP is still constantly missing games and getting older yet eating up a large portion of the cap. I guarantee this Rockets team won’t win a single title like how it’s built.

Well that Rockets team overachieved anyway, they were predicted to fight for the playoff spot, yet against all odds they finished 3rd n won a playoff series. Pretty impressive if you ask me. Lets see Spurs beat this Rocket team without Kawhi.

I guarantee you this Spurs team won't win a title either LOL. Easy to say that with Gsw around, come on dude

All I heard last playoffs from “experts” and Rockets fans was how they were going to be too fast for the old and slow Spurs. Last season was basically Kawhi and an underwhelming LMA, they weren’t up against some juggernaut yet we’re still exposed without Kawhi and Parker. With everybody healthy this year I love the Spurs chances against the Rockets, pop as much as he’s “dropped off” (lol) has always owned MDA. Also forgot to add that the Aldridge situation helps the Spurs massively and contradicts Rose’s theory that “big time players don’t want to play in SA because they don’t want to do it pops way but their own”. Well he just came out and publicly acknowledged that it was his fault that LMA wasn’t performing. Know Lamarcus is having one of his best years ever and by all accounts has taken more of a leadership role and has been more engaged with the team, If he’s this big bad authoritarian ceo like Jalen said he wouldn’t have done that.

[Tim Reynolds]

ESPN is the new TMZ; pure speculation right here.

I figured this would be a good time to point out Jalen Rose was right

[floppymoose]

They see the writing on the wall and for the last 20 years, it's been free agency and recruitment that have built the championship squads.

wait wut?

[1993Playoffs]

Guess he knew what he was talking about, lol