Tom Thibodeau, coach of death.

[Harry Garris]

If Thibs is such a nightmare, how come Butler and Gibson were more than willing to suit up for him again?

[HurricaneKid]

Is it that bad? Milwaukee has two players avg over 37 mpg. NOP has two over 36 mpg. Butler is #7 avg 36.5 mpg

And Kidd got fired. Giannis has rested 3-4 times because of knee tendinosis flare ups and yet he wasn't allowed to come off the floor. Middleton just had a freak injury last year where the hamstring tore all the way off the bone yet he has played as many min as anyone in the league.

[Kevin Johnson]

he was playing his starters 40 minutes when they were out of playoffs and with some homegrown talent needing a chance to show themselves. He still ran these guys out for like 38-43 minutes a game.

Kobe Bryant career 36 MPG
Karl Malone career 37 MPG
Kareem Addul Jabbar career 37 MPG
Michael Jordan career 38 MPG
Lebron James career 38 MPG
Wilt Chamberlain career 45 MPG

You're mistaking correlation with causation. The NBA until Pops starting resting his players and sitting out healthy players has always played good players heavy minutes.

There is no evidence that 32 mpg instead of 38 mpg or 75 games instead of 82 will keep a player from getting injured. Injuries just randomly happen. Karl Malone looked like a genetic freak athlete who would never get hurt playing 38-40 mpg into his late 30s until a freak injury when he went to the Lakers. Kobe looked like he'd be an elite scorer who was easily going to break Kareem's scoring record until a freak injury. Thibs was just unfortunate to have a bunch of injuries to players on his team. He's not the cause of them.

[Joker]

he was playing his starters 40 minutes when they were out of playoffs and with some homegrown talent needing a chance to show themselves. He still ran these guys out for like 38-43 minutes a game.

Kobe Bryant career 36 MPG
Karl Malone career 37 MPG
Kareem Addul Jabbar career 37 MPG
Michael Jordan career 38 MPG
Lebron James career 38 MPG
Wilt Chamberlain career 45 MPG

You're mistaking correlation with causation. The NBA until Pops starting resting his players and sitting out healthy players has always played good players heavy minutes.

There is no evidence that 32 mpg instead of 38 mpg or 75 games instead of 82 will keep a player from getting injured. Injuries just randomly happen. Karl Malone looked like a genetic freak athlete who would never get hurt playing 38-40 mpg into his late 30s until a freak injury when he went to the Lakers. Kobe looked like he'd be an elite scorer who was easily going to break Kareem's scoring record until a freak injury. Thibs was just unfortunate to have a bunch of injuries to players on his team. He's not the cause of them.

Let's use the notoriously best-conditioned and biggest genetic freaks of the last 50 years of the NBA for the benchmark, the majority of whom played in a different style of play era.

[JudBuchler]

I didnt say anything about average minutes.

I meant how he plays them and when.

I sware If i go back to that D Rose footage, im almost betting that the bulls were up by like 20 when he got injured and less than 3 minutes in the game. Almost positive. It was a freak accident I guess, but its the prime example.

Thibs is terrible in minutes distribution and player handling. HE literally is the anti pop in that regard.

I remember even in Boston when he was the coach for a week or something he was killing ray paul and garnett.

This is not something that has to do with averages of minutes. Its how the players that were either going to be great or were good are all either gone or retired or just banged up.

And please, even in the NBA 33 is not old enough to be completely buried like Noah is.

[JudBuchler]

If Thibs is such a nightmare, how come Butler and Gibson were more than willing to suit up for him again?

You are a prime example of making up an argument lol. I dont care about Butler and Gibson and what loyalty they have.

Thibs has examples of destruction to good players. Players that were all stars and even mvp.

I dont need any more proof.

[JudBuchler]

Big mistake on Ben Gordon lol.

[druggas]

he was playing his starters 40 minutes when they were out of playoffs and with some homegrown talent needing a chance to show themselves. He still ran these guys out for like 38-43 minutes a game.

Kobe Bryant career 36 MPG
Karl Malone career 37 MPG
Kareem Addul Jabbar career 37 MPG
Michael Jordan career 38 MPG
Lebron James career 38 MPG
Wilt Chamberlain career 45 MPG

You're mistaking correlation with causation. The NBA until Pops starting resting his players and sitting out healthy players has always played good players heavy minutes.

There is no evidence that 32 mpg instead of 38 mpg or 75 games instead of 82 will keep a player from getting injured. Injuries just randomly happen. Karl Malone looked like a genetic freak athlete who would never get hurt playing 38-40 mpg into his late 30s until a freak injury when he went to the Lakers. Kobe looked like he'd be an elite scorer who was easily going to break Kareem's scoring record until a freak injury. Thibs was just unfortunate to have a bunch of injuries to players on his team. He's not the cause of them.

Let's use the best conditioned and biggest genetic freaks of the last 50 years of the NBA for the benchmark, the majority of whom played in a different style of play era. :lol:

Your argument is weak.

[Joker]

Kobe Bryant career 36 MPG
Karl Malone career 37 MPG
Kareem Addul Jabbar career 37 MPG
Michael Jordan career 38 MPG
Lebron James career 38 MPG
Wilt Chamberlain career 45 MPG

You're mistaking correlation with causation. The NBA until Pops starting resting his players and sitting out healthy players has always played good players heavy minutes.

There is no evidence that 32 mpg instead of 38 mpg or 75 games instead of 82 will keep a player from getting injured. Injuries just randomly happen. Karl Malone looked like a genetic freak athlete who would never get hurt playing 38-40 mpg into his late 30s until a freak injury when he went to the Lakers. Kobe looked like he'd be an elite scorer who was easily going to break Kareem's scoring record until a freak injury. Thibs was just unfortunate to have a bunch of injuries to players on his team. He's not the cause of them.

Let's use the best conditioned and biggest genetic freaks of the last 50 years of the NBA for the benchmark, the majority of whom played in a different style of play era.

Your argument is weak.

Your argument is strong here. I take back everything.

[azcatz11]

The Timberwolves need to fire this guy immediately. I think the league has to think about imposing a suspension or ban on this guy.

I know for a fact its been discussed in here before. Although I havent seen it yet.

How many careers has this guy killed?

I saw an article with Noah, who can't get a minute of basketball anymore. Now he is sent packing because he is angry. IM thinking. Bro you suck that's why, then im like wait, is it really Noah's fault this happened?

Noah was at a time one of the most valuable centers, like a Horford, but even better. Charles even said at one point "MVP canidate and future HOF'er" lol

Rose was an MVP and was going to have a career of the ages for a guy playing point guard.

Deng was a spectacular player who did everything right and was a great teammate.

Ben Gordon is in the loony bin.

Carlos Boozer went nuts and flew to China.

So many more I can't name right now. I feel like in 3 years we will start to see the effects on the Timbs players...

This guy is insane. The last straw for me was when I was doing research and he was playing his starters 40 minutes when they were out of playoffs and with some homegrown talent needing a chance to show themselves. He still ran these guys out for like 38-43 minutes a game.

He is out of his mind.

Honestly, it's hard to take you seriously when you make outlandish claims like this.

[HomoSapien]

If Thibs destroyed Deng's career, how come he was able to get a $72m contract nearly three seasons after being traded by the Bulls? Joakim Noah also only played above 36 minutes ONCE in his career. And how exactly did Boozer go nuts? Because he spray painted his hair once?

[vxmike]

It's a complete myth that Thibs ran Derrick Rose into the ground. Rose was bound to screw his knees up at some point because he didn't know how to land properly.

^ this, plus the dude is just brittle from the skittles.

Also Noah was famous for not taking care of his body and coming into the season out of shape every year. That catches up to almost everyone as they approach 30.

The Chicago medical staff from that era was well known to be awful (see Deng's spinal tap). This is what caused players to break down way more than playing a few extra minutes over other players.

Hardworking pros like Butler and Gibson love playing for Thibs. Lazy players like Noah and Rose don't.

Thibs isn't perfect of course. He needs to tone down his intensity or he will continue to lose his team's focus every 2-3 years like he did with the Bulls.

[druggas]

Let's use the best conditioned and biggest genetic freaks of the last 50 years of the NBA for the benchmark, the majority of whom played in a different style of play era. :lol:

Your argument is weak.

Your argument is strong here. I take back everything.

Check out the 72 Lakers. They were an old team that was transformed into a running team that won 33 straight and the championship.

[Joker]

Your argument is weak.

Your argument is strong here. I take back everything.

Check out the 72 Lakers. They were an old team that was transformed into a running team that won 33 straight and the championship.

How does that relate to the topic specifically? That was pre-3-point line. Completely different in terms of defensive input required and offensive half-court systems.

[Higgs Boston]

It isn't only the amount of minutes, this guy constantly makes players play when they are unhealthy in RS, even in meaningless games. One can think that it happens with other coaches sometimes, but he always does it and this is uncommon, much more amongst veteran coaches.
Last year he did it some times and the worst case was Lavine (ACL injury), that played clearly injured and this was in a rebuilding team in a meaningless games because they almost had no chance to go to POs. Imagine how insane he is.

[Joker]

One interesting tangent to this is the impact of AAU on players and their bodies. I've read that NBA teams have remarked that players are coming in with more mileage on their bodies, citing the crazy amount of AAU games played, which wasn't the case before. That could affect a player's ability to sustain 40+mpg over multiple seasons when they've already got that mileage.

[Joker]

I think you have to ultimately compare apples with apples when it comes to the maximum amount of minutes that can realistically be played. It's hard to go back historically where there were so many different factors:
-more post ups and mid range and scarce 3's
-pace of play
-different NBA rules
-offseason national team commitments (or lack thereof)
-shorter playoffs
-AAU mileage coming in
-etc.

[druggas]

Your argument is strong here. I take back everything.

Check out the 72 Lakers. They were an old team that was transformed into a running team that won 33 straight and the championship.

How does that relate to the topic specifically? That was pre-3-point line. Completely different in terms of defensive input required and offensive half-court systems.

Your argument that the "modern" NBA is so tough on the players because of pace and defensive pressure, is shot down by an old team that upped their pace without injuries. Now tell me that they were genetic freaks.

[Joker]

Check out the 72 Lakers. They were an old team that was transformed into a running team that won 33 straight and the championship.

How does that relate to the topic specifically? That was pre-3-point line. Completely different in terms of defensive input required and offensive half-court systems.

Your argument that the "modern" NBA is so tough on the players because of pace and defensive pressure, is shot down by an old team that upped their pace without injuries. Now tell me that they were genetic freaks.

You haven't addressed that there was no 3 back then. how do you overlook that? They upped their pace but they could pack the paint in half court defense settings each time. Totally different game offensively and defensively. Apples to oranges.

To use an example from 45 years ago with completely different rules to illustrate your point is iffy.

[CBS7]

He must have run some really intense practices, because how much can another 3 minutes per game really affect some of the best athletes in the world who are in the prime of their physical ability?