Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018

Badgerlander · Post #1601 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:45 pm

was Manu a "role player" for the spurs?

skones · Post #1602 » by **skones** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:47 pm

Iguodala/Bogut/Lee/Livingston >>>>>>>>> Snell/Delly/Henson/Teletovic but I suppose that doesn't matter because they are both a series of "overpaid roleplayers."

Ron Swanson · Post #1603 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:53 pm

Come at me with something other than "lol ringz" logic then. You guys can live in this fantasy world where overpaid role-players don't litter every single championship roster, because every single player that isn't either a superstar on a max deal or a good player on a rookie contract is by definition "overpaid".

Yes, too many MLE type contracts is bad for your cap. Get rid of or don't sign the bad ones then (Mirza, Delly, Plumlee). Tony Snell isn't on a bad contract and spending any sort of money on role-players so long as they're good role-players isn't the inherent problem.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1604 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:54 pm

dbrodz7 · Post #1605 » by **dbrodz7** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:55 pm

Can we trade the Bucks forum picture of the old Bucks logo for the new one that's been around for almost three years?

Wonka · Post #1606 » by **Wonka** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:59 pm

Dedmon is still the easiest and cheapest big man acquisition out there. I’ll be livid if we give up pieces to either Whiteside or Jordan without any type of assurance that they would stay

...and Dedmon will be way cheaper on his next contract

...and he actually spaces the floor

skones · Post #1607 » by **skones** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:00 pm

Wonka wrote:Dedmon is still the easiest and cheapest big man acquisition out there. I’ll be livid if we give up pieces to either Whiteside or Jordan without any type of assurance that they would stay

...and Dedmon will be way cheaper on his next contract

...and he actually spaces the floor

Whiteside has two more years on his deal after this one.

emunney · Post #1608 » by **emunney** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:01 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:They were paying $55 mil and over 60% of their salary cap to Iguodala, Livingston, Bogut, and David Lee when they won their first title in 2015.

You spelled 45m wrong. Lee was an inherited contract and the other guys outperformed their deals.

Wonka · Post #1609 » by **Wonka** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:06 pm

skones wrote:
Wonka wrote:Dedmon is still the easiest and cheapest big man acquisition out there. I’ll be livid if we give up pieces to either Whiteside or Jordan without any type of assurance that they would stay

...and Dedmon will be way cheaper on his next contract

...and he actually spaces the floor

Whiteside has two more years on his deal after this one.

Wasn’t aware of that. Either way he’s a name that would take a lot more to acquire. Miami isn’t taking our scraps for Whiteside

Chuck Diesel · Post #1610 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:14 pm

Snell and Vaughn for Gortat & Jodie Meeks works for me. Saves the Wizards a bunch of tax money.

mlloyd10 · Post #1611 » by **mlloyd10** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:16 pm

Middleton/Maker/Telly for Whiteside/Winslow

Ron Swanson · Post #1612 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:17 pm

Would rather trade Jabari for DeAndre than anything for Whiteside.

skones · Post #1613 » by **skones** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:17 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Come at me with something other than "lol ringz" logic then. You guys can live in this fantasy world where overpaid role-players don't litter every single championship roster, because every single player that isn't either a superstar on a max deal or a good player on a rookie contract is by definition "overpaid".

Yes, too many MLE type contracts is bad for your cap. Get rid of or don't sign the bad ones then (Mirza, Delly, Plumlee). Tony Snell isn't on a bad contract and spending any sort of money on role-players so long as they're good role-players isn't the inherent problem.

No. You're living in a world where impact bench pieces equal non-impact bench pieces because they're both paid money. There's is literally zero reason why Golden State's bench should be used as a counterexample in this argument because A) They're far better players and B) They're winning championships. We aren't on that level. If you're a 50+ win ball club looking to take that next step, and solidify your contention. Go ahead, splurge. We aren't there.

Tony Snell is not a "good roleplayer." "Good Roleplayers" have consistent impact on games. Tony Snell doesn't. This is like all of that ppgzzzzzz stuff only it's 3PT%zzzzzzzz.

DingleJerry · Post #1614 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:17 pm

I think I'd rather not blow my wad right now on the big names like HW and DAJ. I mean, I'll be excited for the stretch run of trying to make the finals and I think we all know I wouldn't mind just cashing out Jabari to eliminate the variable so I'm sure there's deal there i would do. But GSW is almost unbeatable anyway and I'd probably want more flex/assets for later. Just give me the playable ok 5 & Jabari and lets see what happens this year.

skones · Post #1615 » by **skones** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:21 pm

I don't want to go after Jordan or Whiteside. The center position is marginalized in today's league. If you're looking for a position where you can get what you need on the cheap it's there. This team can get what it needs out of the position for half of what those two guys are/will be paid.

raferfenix · Post #1616 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:22 pm

I think Kidd was pushing hard for the Bucks to trade Jabari and leaking to everyone.

Firing Kidd makes me think it's less likely for us to deal him now.

That's especially for a Schwartz client.

xTitan · Post #1617 » by **xTitan** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:25 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Would rather trade Jabari for DeAndre than anything for Whiteside.

Going to have to add at least Henson and Snell to that deal to get close to the number you need, and would they want Henson and Snell? Why would the Clippers want Parker when they are trying to clear cap space at a misguided attempt at Lebron?

Chuck Diesel · Post #1618 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Would rather trade Jabari for DeAndre than anything for Whiteside.

What changed in the span of a week? :wink:

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm pretty lukewarm on Whiteside as a player and think there's some attitude problems there, but I'd easily do that deal. Probably no chance the Heat go for it though.

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Ron Swanson · Post #1619 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:26 pm

xTitan wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Would rather trade Jabari for DeAndre than anything for Whiteside.

Going to have to add at least Henson and Snell to that deal to get close to the number you need, and would they want Henson and Snell? Why would the Clippers want Parker when they are trying to clear cap space at a misguided attempt at Lebron?

RFA. They can offer Lebron the max and then if that fails (which it likely will), match any offers for Jabari afterwards.

Ron Swanson · Post #1620 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:29 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Would rather trade Jabari for DeAndre than anything for Whiteside.

What changed in the span of a week?

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm pretty lukewarm on Whiteside as a player and think there's some attitude problems there, but I'd easily do that deal. Probably no chance the Heat go for it though.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1657256&start=1220#start_here

Cuz we're getting Winslow back in that deal too and shedding Delly's contract? I wouldn't give up straight value to pay Whiteside, but that trade actually saves us money over the long term and we gain a really good asset.