Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

TheNetsFan · Post #1461 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:05 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:I still think Carroll/Harris for Asik/filler 1st is a real possibility and I'd be thrilled with it.

The Pelicans supposedly want an expiring deal for Asik. Carroll doesn't fit that bill. In hindsight, Booker would have.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1462 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:23 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I still think Carroll/Harris for Asik/filler 1st is a real possibility and I'd be thrilled with it.

The Pelicans supposedly want an expiring deal for Asik. Carroll doesn't fit that bill. In hindsight, Booker would have.

I was wondering why the hangup with a Mirotic trade is his option year. Like wouldn't the Pels want to pickup that option if they were trading a first for him anyway? That makes sense though, Essentially they are looking to pay a 1st round pick to dump Asik, but want the expiring they get to be a truly useful player for the remainder of the season and possible playoff run, a la Washington last year with Bogs and Nicholson.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1463 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:31 pm

Mosdefinition wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:That was a great trade for the Clippers imo. Time to cut bait. Tobias Harris to me is a stud.

I think it was decent, but not great. But I did think Griffin might be moved and the on paper value wasn't going to be huge. Hence my earlier itt proposal of RHJ and Mozgod.

For Detroit, idk. I mean I think they got great value for the outgoing, Griffin is a beast, but how do they build anything around him? But, unless they were going to straight blow it up, this is exactly the move they needed to pull off.

Unless you find someone to trade for Drummond I have no clue what they are doing

I don't love Drummond, but he's definitely a good young player and a fit next to Griffin.

The real problem is, how can they keep both those guys while acquiring a star level wing or point guard?

It seems like a tall order given their extremely limited remaining assets and a few bad contracts of undesirables like Reggie Jackson.

I still can't believe they took Kennard over Mitchell. We'd be talking about an actual contender next season if they had him. Maybe they can flip Kennard with Johnson and/or Reggie Jackson by this summer in a surprise move for someone. Or something like my thought of Jackson and filler for Conley this summer and move Kennard and filler for a guy like Otto Porter?

skones · Post #1464 » by **skones** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:35 pm

DJ Wilson for Zeller/2nd? Vaughn for Zeller?

TheNetsFan · Post #1465 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:07 pm

skones wrote:DJ Wilson for Zeller/2nd?

Sold

Mosdefinition · Post #1466 » by **Mosdefinition** » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:58 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Mosdefinition wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I think it was decent, but not great. But I did think Griffin might be moved and the on paper value wasn't going to be huge. Hence my earlier itt proposal of RHJ and Mozgod.

For Detroit, idk. I mean I think they got great value for the outgoing, Griffin is a beast, but how do they build anything around him? But, unless they were going to straight blow it up, this is exactly the move they needed to pull off.

Unless you find someone to trade for Drummond I have no clue what they are doing

I don't love Drummond, but he's definitely a good young player and a fit next to Griffin.

The real problem is, how can they keep both those guys while acquiring a star level wing or point guard?

It seems like a tall order given their extremely limited remaining assets and a few bad contracts of undesirables like Reggie Jackson.

I still can't believe they took Kennard over Mitchell. We'd be talking about an actual contender next season if they had him. Maybe they can flip Kennard with Johnson and/or Reggie Jackson by this summer in a surprise move for someone. Or something like my thought of Jackson and filler for Conley this summer and move Kennard and filler for a guy like Otto Porter?

They are basically clippers then

I'd play Blake at the 5 and trade Drummond to the bucks who are desperate for a center

JiggaMan06 · Post #1467 » by **JiggaMan06** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 1:27 am

I can see we are trying to showcase Acy and Zeller as much as possible to shop them for some younger talent. For the Big contracts (Mosgov, Carroll, and Crabbe) I only see Carroll being moved because no one wants Mosgov contract. I really want to get a lottery pick in this draft to grab one of those Hyper PF's. Webb is a good replacement for the Trevor Booker energy role.

Post #1468 » by **NyCeEvO** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:21 am

JiggaMan06 wrote:I can see we are trying to showcase Acy and Zeller as much as possible to shop them for some younger talent. For the Big contracts (Mosgov, Carroll, and Crabbe) I only see Carroll being moved because no one wants Mosgov contract. I really want to get a lottery pick in this draft to grab one of those Hyper PF's. Webb is a good replacement for the Trevor Booker energy role.

I don't know how much you can showcase D/F-tier talent.

Teams know that players who come to the Nets will get to play for a team that operates differently from just about every other team in the league. I have a feeling Acy and Zeller would go pretty close back to the way they were before they came to the Nets, and that's mainly because other ball clubs aren't going to devote time to them on the court like we do.

Booker is actually a good example. He went from being a notable figure here to bench fodder for Philly. Teams aren't going to value our players in the same ways that we do.

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DarkXaero · Post #1469 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:32 am

Greg Monroe getting bought out by the Suns, should we be in?

I know we have a lot of centers, and Okafor is a very similar player (but much inferior version). Monroe has played PF in the NBA though, and maybe he makes sense as a rotation PF for us?

TheNetsFan · Post #1470 » by **TheNetsFan** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:35 am

DarkXaero wrote:Greg Monroe getting bought out by the Suns, should we be in?

I know we have a lot of centers, and Okafor is a very similar player (but much inferior version). Monroe has played PF in the NBA though, and maybe he makes sense as a rotation PF for us?

He'll be Boston bound. They want to trade for Evans too. The domino effect of trades/cuts will be of more interest to us.

DarkXaero · Post #1471 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:35 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
JiggaMan06 wrote:I can see we are trying to showcase Acy and Zeller as much as possible to shop them for some younger talent. For the Big contracts (Mosgov, Carroll, and Crabbe) I only see Carroll being moved because no one wants Mosgov contract. I really want to get a lottery pick in this draft to grab one of those Hyper PF's. Webb is a good replacement for the Trevor Booker energy role.
I don't know how much you can showcase D/F-tier talent.

Teams know that players who come to the Nets will get to play for a team that operates differently from just about every other team in the league. I have a feeling Acy and Zeller would go pretty close back to the way they were before they came to the Nets, and that's mainly because other ball clubs aren't going to devote time to them on the court like we do.

Booker is actually a good example. He went from being a notable figure here to bench fodder for Philly. Teams aren't going to value our players in the same ways that we do.

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Idk if Booker is a good example. He's playing really well for the Sixers, just averaging less minutes than he was for us. Booker improved as a player here in Brooklyn, and while he's not starter material, he's an excellent big off the bench.

DarkXaero · Post #1472 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:37 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Greg Monroe getting bought out by the Suns, should we be in?

I know we have a lot of centers, and Okafor is a very similar player (but much inferior version). Monroe has played PF in the NBA though, and maybe he makes sense as a rotation PF for us?

He'll be Boston bound. They want to trade for Evans too. The domino effect of trades/cuts will be of more interest to us.

Idk if Boston makes much sense, they have a big man rotation of Horford/Morris/Baynes. Doesn't Monroe have to clear waivers first anyway?

Edit: Nvm, forgot about their DPE.

MrDollarBills · Post #1473 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:40 am

JiggaMan06 wrote:I can see we are trying to showcase Acy and Zeller as much as possible to shop them for some younger talent. For the Big contracts (Mosgov, Carroll, and Crabbe) I only see Carroll being moved because no one wants Mosgov contract. I really want to get a lottery pick in this draft to grab one of those Hyper PF's. Webb is a good replacement for the Trevor Booker energy role.

who would trade a 1st rd pick for acy or zeller?

Netaman · Post #1474 » by **Netaman** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:41 am

DarkXaero wrote:Greg Monroe getting bought out by the Suns, should we be in?

I know we have a lot of centers, and Okafor is a very similar player (but much inferior version). Monroe has played PF in the NBA though, and maybe he makes sense as a rotation PF for us?

Doubtful with Okafor. I think with so many different guys on this team flashing every night they are mostly going to keep rolling out the guys who will be continuing the build towards the future on the team next year. It wouldn't surprise me if Zeller, Harris, or Carroll got dealt for futures, but it also wouldn't shock me if none of them got dealt. Carroll is a great leader and next year he expires, Zeller is a solid bench guy and he's cheap, Harris could be a piece they want to keep, though he's probably played himself into too good of a contract.

TheBrooklynKidd · Post #1475 » by **TheBrooklynKidd** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:41 am

DarkXaero wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Greg Monroe getting bought out by the Suns, should we be in?

I know we have a lot of centers, and Okafor is a very similar player (but much inferior version). Monroe has played PF in the NBA though, and maybe he makes sense as a rotation PF for us?

He'll be Boston bound. They want to trade for Evans too. The domino effect of trades/cuts will be of more interest to us.
Idk if Boston makes much sense, they have a big man rotation of Horford/Morris/Baynes.

I doubt Memphis would decline an offer of Aaron Baynes + Bos 2018 1st for Tyreke. Then Bos could just use their DPE to sign Monroe for 8+ mill, which is a lot more than any other contender can offer.

MrDollarBills · Post #1476 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:41 am

DarkXaero wrote:Greg Monroe getting bought out by the Suns, should we be in?

I know we have a lot of centers, and Okafor is a very similar player (but much inferior version). Monroe has played PF in the NBA though, and maybe he makes sense as a rotation PF for us?

No, we should not. we need to develop Allen and Okafor.

DarkXaero · Post #1477 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:43 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Greg Monroe getting bought out by the Suns, should we be in?

I know we have a lot of centers, and Okafor is a very similar player (but much inferior version). Monroe has played PF in the NBA though, and maybe he makes sense as a rotation PF for us?

No, we should not. we need to develop Allen and Okafor.

We can waive Zeller, take Acy out of the rotation, and there are minutes for Monroe without taking away Allen or Okafor's minutes.

MrDollarBills · Post #1478 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:43 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
JiggaMan06 wrote:I can see we are trying to showcase Acy and Zeller as much as possible to shop them for some younger talent. For the Big contracts (Mosgov, Carroll, and Crabbe) I only see Carroll being moved because no one wants Mosgov contract. I really want to get a lottery pick in this draft to grab one of those Hyper PF's. Webb is a good replacement for the Trevor Booker energy role.
I don't know how much you can showcase D/F-tier talent.

Teams know that players who come to the Nets will get to play for a team that operates differently from just about every other team in the league. I have a feeling Acy and Zeller would go pretty close back to the way they were before they came to the Nets, and that's mainly because other ball clubs aren't going to devote time to them on the court like we do.

Booker is actually a good example. He went from being a notable figure here to bench fodder for Philly. Teams aren't going to value our players in the same ways that we do.

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You seriously think that people here value the talent on this squad? outside of LeVert, who seems to get a pass, Dinwiddie, Russell, RHJ, Allen, and Crabbe have all been dogged on here by posters.

MrDollarBills · Post #1479 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:44 am

DarkXaero wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Greg Monroe getting bought out by the Suns, should we be in?

I know we have a lot of centers, and Okafor is a very similar player (but much inferior version). Monroe has played PF in the NBA though, and maybe he makes sense as a rotation PF for us?

No, we should not. we need to develop Allen and Okafor.
We can waive Zeller, take Acy out of the rotation, and there are minutes for Monroe without taking away Allen or Okafor's minutes.

what is your reasoning for bringing him in here? we are not a playoff team. we have a 19 year old and a 21 year old center rotation that is showing promise. why do you want to do this?

DarkXaero · Post #1480 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Feb 1, 2018 3:52 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
No, we should not. we need to develop Allen and Okafor.
We can waive Zeller, take Acy out of the rotation, and there are minutes for Monroe without taking away Allen or Okafor's minutes.

what is your reasoning for bringing him in here? we are not a playoff team. we have a 19 year old and a 21 year old center rotation that is showing promise. why do you want to do this?

To be a more competitive team, and bring in another veteran who our young players can benefit from? Maybe even have Monroe improve as a player with our coaching staff. I already said that Monroe can be played as a PF, and iirc, that's how he was used in Milwaukee off the bench. He doesn't have to necessarily interfere with Allen or OKafor's playing time. Guys like Acy and Zeller are getting playing time for us, and Monroe is easily better than both of them by far. He can take their minutes. What's wrong with being more competitive when you don't have your own pick? It's not like the move is going to take our future cap space.